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Rate the PATS FO approach this season so far

  • Pitiful and inexcusable, they ahve blown this season

    Votes: 8 7.1%
  • Not at all happy but will wiat post draft to comment

    Votes: 50 44.2%
  • They are doing what they have top because of uncapped year

    Votes: 23 20.4%
  • BB and Caserio are teh best, their patienxce will pay off with a deep playoff run

    Votes: 32 28.3%

  • Total voters
    113
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Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

I wanted to vote in the Jets Fan's poll but I could not parse the strange language.
 
I'm going to say the poll is teh pitiful and inexcusable.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

I'll be back when the off-season is over. Otherwise it's like grading a test based on the first section only.

I think it's closer to grading a term paper based on the original outline.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

You make some good points. Regarding Holmes, I haven't heard anything bad about his dedication to the team, his work ethic, and/or the type of teammate he is. I know he's had some run-ins off the field but I don't think he's a guy that would kill a locker room like a Terrell Owens. I've always been a fan of Cromartie b/c he excels in man press coverage and has great ball skills. He may not be the most willing run defender, but neither was Asante Samuel, who I would definitely take back. I will admit I was hopeful and excited when we traded for Burgess even though we gave up a 3rd rounder, but he did not have a great enough impact to warrant giving up a 3rd for him. I can't condone giving up a 3rd rounder for a situational pass rusher.

I like Wright a lot at RDE, but I know Reiss has doubted his ability to hold up as a starter. I don't know much of Lewis or if/how he will be able to transition to the 3-4 base defense. I'm very high on the secondary as well, and I love a potential Meriweather-Chung duo at safety. I also love the potential of Butler and am still high on Wilhite even if others are not. I think OLB are where the real problems lie. Still hoping for Crable to contribute, but this needs to be addressed in the draft, as we really struggled to get heat on opposing QB's last year. On offense, I'd like to see a RB added in the mid to late rounds and another threat at WR.

I do think that we are slowly building up a team with solid depth, but it is going to take time. And I also feel that the Pats are, at this time, viewed as a worse team than they truly are b/c of "names."

I've heard that Holmes teammates cheered when he was traded, and he was roundly disliked.
The only value I have seen in Cromartie is a nose for the ball. He is a gambler, but I would never characterize him as a good bump and run defender.
I would trade a 3rd every day for a guy who plays as many snaps as most starters. "Situational pass rusher" isnt 8 plays a week on 3rd and long any more, we are in sub more than half the plays. Burgess played more snaps than Warren, only 6 fewer than Wilfork, and rushed the passer on 368 plays, most on the team. (and as many as most of the top pass rushers in the league) Again, the move didn't work out so well, but the idea was sound, if the player had produced like he normally did.
I am fine with TBC at one OLB. I'm fine with Mayo. I'm fine with Guyton given that we only have 2 ILBS on less than half the snaps. In fact Guytons strength is playing 'out of' position as a nickel/dime LB.
We really do need a Vrabel/McGinest type of guy in a perfect world, and it would be great if McKenzie turns out to be effective too.

I agree with the 'name' comment, but there is something else too.
Let me try to explain it fully.
There are something like 130-150 plays in a football game.
Last year we were ahead in the 4th quarter in something like 14 of 16 games. In a number of those we outplayed the opponent for 110-120 plays and then couldn't finish in the most critical 20-30.
That isnt a lack of talent per se. It could be a lack of talent in some areas, like dime pass coverage, or pass blocking vs the blitz for example.
The point is that our 10-6 record was underachieving. (We would have been 11-5 if we played vs Houston like it mattered) Whatever the reasons, I will never believe that a BB coached team will again lose 4 games it led in the 4th quarter. It almost never happened prior to last year and happened in almost every close game last year.
I think the general opinion of the Pats in diminished because it underachieved last year, and talent-wise was a better team than the record indicated.
 
I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season
The Santonio Holmes and Marshal deals are the straws that broke the camels back. I believe finances is dictating lack of activity

I would like to see how everyone else feels at this point one week before the draft

I'm very happy. Instead of going after bad character players and total idiots like Cromartie, who has the morals of a diseased alley cat and can't even take care of all the baby mamas who are smart enough to sue his ass for child support, on an NFL players salary, we've concentrated on signing high quality players like Wilfork and Bodden and guys like TBC who have experience in our system and an improved attitude.

While we're counting on improvement in running schemes from a young, hopefully intelligent group tutored by the best secondary coach/head coach ever, the Jets have pegged the future of their D backfield improvement to a moron so irresponsible they need to spend his money for him with an allowance so he doesn't end up homeless. Even Pac Man Jones saved enough money to live on after "making it rain" all night.

Let other teams spend a fortune for overrated thugs, I love it.

4 picks in the first two, then we pick up the solid FA's in June the loser teams leave behind while they're throwing money at the guys who stay out til 5 AM the night before games.

That's what you call a win, win.
 
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I'm overall satisfied with the approach. A bit concerned that some of the available veteran WR's weren't picked up but I'm still hopeful that more become available and the patience pays off. I'm not suprised or all that disappointed that we didn't win the Peppers or Boldin sweepstakes and very happy we were able to retain Wilfork, TBC, and Bodden for multiple years. We won 3 super bowls with bargain FA pickups(aside from Rosey Colvin who was solid but not really worth the splash) and good drafting so I hope that continues.

I'm even happier with the approach in the sense that it seems to be pissing off so many people like you.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

Our team has been in a three year rut with no signs of digging itself out. It is time for new blood top to bottom. We have a "4th and 1" go for it Head Coach; no real coordinators and all around average talent.
Let me get this straight. For three years we have had average talent, yet instead of being average (24-24) over those three years, we went 37-11.

So I guess this means you highly respect our front office, to get such production with average talent.

 
I'm very happy. Instead of going after bad character players and total idiots like Cromartie, who has the morals of a diseased alley cat and can't even take care of all the baby mamas who are smart enough to sue his ass for child support, on an NFL players salary, we've concentrated on signing high quality players like Wilfork and Bodden and guys like TBC who have experience in our system and an improved attitude.
.

I think the Wilfork signing is going to have a tremendous benefit- more than anyone would have thought. He is already laying the wood because he has the power to do so, and the fat contract to back his talk up. He is the big dog in the house now, and I think he is the perfect man for it because he was the most consistent performer last season, so it's not like he's talking one thing and doing another.

I think our locker room will return to that no-nonsense, prideful collection of professionals that it once was, now that it has a real leader on both sides of the ball.
 
I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season
The Santonio Holmes and Marshal deals are the straws that broke the camels back. I believe finances is dictating lack of activity

I would like to see how everyone else feels at this point one week before the draft

Looks like the "camels back' was broken before the Holmes and Marshall signings.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...eason-pats-approach-still-makes-no-sense.html
And then there was this.



http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/320850-emperor-bill.html

And this gem

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/325971-pats-fo-could-learn-lesson-jets-fo.html

I hate to see such optimism turn so early during the off season. I'm not a betting man but if I was I would bet heavily that Ramon will not be happy with the draft.
 
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ramon, this is a fantastic troll.


Well done. Seriously. It's a piece of ******* art.
 
If you're going to post a poll, at least check your:bricks: spelling.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

Three year rut?

2007: Undefeated regular season, loss in Super Bowl

2008: Lose our starting QB in week 1, still finish 11-5 and miss the playoffs by 1 game

2009: Finish 10-6 and win the AFC East, lose in the 1st round of the playoffs

Interesting to see what you define as a "rut"
Some people's expectations are ridiculous aren't they. 3 above 500 seasons considered a 'rut' in some people's minds. Go hang out with some Tampa, Detroit and Raiders fans and ask them what a rut is.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

Some people's expectations are ridiculous aren't they. 3 above 500 seasons considered a 'rut' in some people's minds. Go hang out with some Tampa, Detroit and Raiders fans and ask them what a rut is.

Absolutely. We were spoiled during the Super Bowl years and people just expect that all the time when the chances of that happening are extremely unlikely. This decade we were in the Super Bowl 4 times (most in the league) and won it 3 times (most in the league). We had 112 wins (2nd in the league behind the Colts), .700 winning percentage (2nd behind the Colts). 7 playoff appearances (3rd in the league behind the Eagles and Colts). Shows how ridiculous some fans are when they make statements like that poster did.
 
I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season

Is that why you're spelling sucks Tchaikofsky ... you should ban yourself from thread making.
 
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Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

Absolutely. We were spoiled during the Super Bowl years and people just expect that all the time when the chances of that happening are extremely unlikely. This decade we were in the Super Bowl 4 times (most in the league) and won it 3 times (most in the league). We had 112 wins (2nd in the league behind the Colts), .700 winning percentage (2nd behind the Colts). 7 playoff appearances (3rd in the league behind the Eagles and Colts). Shows how ridiculous some fans are when they make statements like that poster did.

We had more wins than the Colts...playoff games count too.
 
I posted my thoughts on another thread but it is appropriate to adapt them on this thread today.

Give the NY Jets and Miami their due: They know what they want and they are not afraid to go out and get it......at a REASONABLE price relative to the RISK.

Not too long ago, you could say that of the Patriots (witness the Moss and Welker trade). No longer.

The Patriots mistakes of last season are haunting Patriot management. Their free agent foray of last year netted Galloway and Baker (one didn't last the season and the other was dumped this off season) and they traded valuable draft picks for mediocre talents like Lewis (from the Iggles) and Burgess from Oakland Raiders (for a third and fifth draft picks this year). Compounding these errors in talent evaluation was the lack of locker room cohesion, largely blamed on Adalius Thomas (a 07 free agent whose signing was much acclaimed at that time) and unnamed others.

Having been bitten by their past off season mistakes, they are now too shy -- too vary of making ANY risky moves no matter how low the price.

Team management and ownership seem frozen -- unable or unwilling to undertake the kind of prior signature moves that paid great dividends in the past (witness Dillon or Moss). This off season alone, the Patriots could have signed Stallworth (for near the league minimum) -- but did not. They could have traded for and signed Boldin, by all accounts a good team member, for a reasonable price -- but did not. (Yes, I know they did not have a third round draft choice to offer the Cardinals but could easily have worked out something acceptable). They could have traded for Holmes -- but did not. (Again the third and fifth pick given up for Burgess turns out to have a very high opportunity cost) Yes they deserve credit for signing their own free agents but that simply preserves the status quo team of last year. Where is the improvement? The Pats don't even seem to be involved with Jason Taylor -- who is an unrestricted free agent and one whom they openly admired. And Marshall for two second-rounders over two years seems like a reasonable price. Of course, the 4 year extension at an average of $ 10 million a year would have made him the highest paid receiver on the team -- but would have assured the Pats one of the best receivers in the league long after Moss is gone.

I know part of the answer will be from the 12 picks -- four in the first two rounds -- in what is believed to be a deep draft. NY Jets now have only six picks total and two in the first two rounds. But arguably they have banked a lot of talent in Holmes and Cromartie. Last year they hit homeruns with free agents and they are willing to dare. But they are not rash -- they are taking on calculated and acceptable risk -- at a risk adjusted price they deem affordable. Indeed, if the epic length of this thread is any indication, Patriot Nation seems to have taken notice of the intelligent moves made by the Jets. Neutral observers are lauding the Jets for their moves. By any definition getting a talent like Holmes for a fifth draft choice is only possible because he is a troubled talent. But that did not stop the Patriots in the past?

What should concern us is not any specific signing by the Jets or the Dolphins or any other team. What should concern Pat Fans is the evident pattern this off season of a complete LACK of willingness on the part of Patriot management in doing anything in adding through free agents. Banking on the draft is itself not without risk. This inability or unwillingness to engage is a cause for concern. As is also the management's ability to evaluate talent available through free agency or through trades.

Finally, you have to wonder whether the team's paradigm of not willing to give a long term contract to players imported via trade, a la Moss who got a new contract only after playing out his old contract. Welker was the one exception. So long as the team maintains this policy, it essentially takes itself out of contention for the Boldins and Marshalls of the world. The all-purpose answer to all team questions is the draft. By choosing not to participate in free agency, all we can do is wait and see.
 
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Yup .................... :yeahthat: ....................... :agree:
 
I posted my thoughts on another thread but it is appropriate to adapt them on this thread today.

Give the NY Jets and Miami their due: They know what they want and they are not afraid to go out and get it......at a REASONABLE price relative to the RISK.

Not too long ago, you could say that of the Patriots (witness the Moss and Welker trade). No longer.

The Patriots mistakes of last season are haunting Patriot management. Their free agent foray of last year netted Galloway and Baker (one didn't last the season and the other was dumped this off season) and they traded valuable draft picks for mediocre talents like Lewis (from the Iggles) and Burgess from Oakland Raiders (for a third and fifth draft picks this year). Compounding these errors in talent evaluation was the lack of locker room cohesion, largely blamed on Adalius Thomas (a 07 free agent whose signing was much acclaimed at that time) and unnamed others.

Having been bitten by their past off season mistakes, they are now too shy -- too vary of making ANY risky moves no matter how low the price.

Team management and ownership seem frozen -- unable or unwilling to undertake the kind of prior signature moves that paid great dividends in the past (witness Dillon or Moss). This off season alone, the Patriots could have signed Stallworth (for near the league minimum) -- but did not. They could have traded for and signed Boldin, by all accounts a good team member, for a reasonable price -- but did not. (Yes, I know they did not have a third round draft choice to offer the Cardinals but could easily have worked out something acceptable). They could have traded for Holmes -- but did not. (Again the third and fifth pick given up for Burgess turns out to have a very high opportunity cost) Yes they deserve credit for signing their own free agents but that simply preserves the status quo team of last year. Where is the improvement? The Pats don't even seem to be involved with Jason Taylor -- who is an unrestricted free agent and one whom they openly admired. And Marshall for two second-rounders over two years seems like a reasonable price. Of course, the 4 year extension at an average of $ 10 million a year would have made him the highest paid receiver on the team -- but would have assured the Pats one of the best receivers in the league long after Moss is gone.

I know part of the answer will be from the 12 picks -- four in the first two rounds -- in what is believed to be a deep draft. NY Jets now have only six picks total and two in the first two rounds. But arguably they have banked a lot of talent in Holmes and Cromartie. Last year they hit homeruns with free agents and they are willing to dare. But they are not rash -- they are taking on calculated and acceptable risk -- at a risk adjusted price they deem affordable. Indeed, if the epic length of this thread is any indication, Patriot Nation seems to have taken notice of the intelligent moves made by the Jets. Neutral observers are lauding the Jets for their moves. By any definition getting a talent like Holmes for a fifth draft choice is only possible because he is a troubled talent. But that did not stop the Patriots in the past?

What should concern us is not any specific signing by the Jets or the Dolphins or any other team. What should concern Pat Fans is the evident pattern this off season of a complete LACK of willingness on the part of Patriot management in doing anything in adding through free agents. Banking on the draft is itself not without risk. This inability or unwillingness to engage is a cause for concern. As is also the management's ability to evaluate talent available through free agency or through trades.

Finally, you have to wonder whether the team's paradigm of not willing to give a long term contract to players imported via trade, a la Moss who got a new contract only after playing out his old contract. Welker was the one exception. So long as the team maintains this policy, it essentially takes itself out of contention for the Boldins and Marshalls of the world. The all-purpose answer to all team questions is the draft. By choosing not to participate in free agency, all we can do is wait and see.

So you have concluded that since the Pats found 2 players in the last 10 years to trade for who had some type of perceived 'attitude problem' (that by the way never surfaced here) that not trading for or signing the thugs that were on the market is a signal that Bill Belichick is so embarrassed and depressed by a 10-6 season that he is trembling under his desk afraid to make a decision?
You are seriously trying to say that Bill Belichick is so distraught over MINOR moves of small significance not turning into superstar players that he now just sits in Foxboro afraid of being laughed at for making a bad decision?
This has to be the most bizarre analysis I have ever read.

I'll stick to:
-Belichick is doing his job to the best of his ability
-That means he has some type of a budget, cap or not
-He has evaluated the players on the roster, and the needs of the team
-He has determined a value for every player on the market
-He has made judgment on each of the troubled players that 30 other teams didnt outbid the Jets or Dolphins for either
-He has determined that the worth of the players that you think he should have signed in addition to the ones he has was not worth the price.

In other words, he is doing his job, and like just about every other season he has been here the decisions he has made have not been popular with the fans who feel you build a winner by overpaying for big name players.
I'd be much more concerned if there was a groundswell of support on this board for his moves, because there never has been, and I'm pretty happy with the results so far since 2000.
 
I think our locker room will return to that no-nonsense, prideful collection of professionals that it once was, now that it has a real leader on both sides of the ball.

Yet people want to throw out players after a year or two and gamble on unknowns in the draft, who the same people will want to throw out in a year. lather rinse repeat.

Then, what's going to cure us is not a core of veterans maturing and learning together, but a thug of the month club of underachieving all night partiers who can't even figure out how many kids they have, where they live and by whom they were birthed. To this random club of rogues we're supposed to entrust our future tight execution and locker room chemistry?

Adalius Thomas was a Saint compared to this group, yet when we sought him as an outside veteran to be the guiding force to help turn over our linebacking corps, it was a disaster, causing us to have to start over with only one outstanding talent at that position now.

Leadership comes from within, playmakers develop by playing together and knowing the assignments. Rodney Harrison's and Vrabels are the exception, not the rule, FA pickups are a crap shoot attitude wise. Teams are built from within and high character FA's outperform and out value hot shots IMO.
 
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