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| Mike Vrabel to seek counseling, will reportedly skip Day 3 of NFL Draft amid release of new photos with Dianna Russini |
NBC Sports Boston | Posted: 04/23 New! |
| Mike Vrabel will miss part of NFL Draft to seek counseling: Report |
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| Patriots’ Mike Vrabel to seek counseling, miss Day 3 of NFL Draft |
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| Mike Vrabel to miss Day 3 of NFL Draft to seek counseling |
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| Page Six reportedly contacted Vrabel on new Russini photos before counseling news |
| Reiss: Vrabel will not be present day 3 of draft 14 Reactions | 04/23 at 5:16 am |
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I'll be back when the off-season is over. Otherwise it's like grading a test based on the first section only.
You make some good points. Regarding Holmes, I haven't heard anything bad about his dedication to the team, his work ethic, and/or the type of teammate he is. I know he's had some run-ins off the field but I don't think he's a guy that would kill a locker room like a Terrell Owens. I've always been a fan of Cromartie b/c he excels in man press coverage and has great ball skills. He may not be the most willing run defender, but neither was Asante Samuel, who I would definitely take back. I will admit I was hopeful and excited when we traded for Burgess even though we gave up a 3rd rounder, but he did not have a great enough impact to warrant giving up a 3rd for him. I can't condone giving up a 3rd rounder for a situational pass rusher.
I like Wright a lot at RDE, but I know Reiss has doubted his ability to hold up as a starter. I don't know much of Lewis or if/how he will be able to transition to the 3-4 base defense. I'm very high on the secondary as well, and I love a potential Meriweather-Chung duo at safety. I also love the potential of Butler and am still high on Wilhite even if others are not. I think OLB are where the real problems lie. Still hoping for Crable to contribute, but this needs to be addressed in the draft, as we really struggled to get heat on opposing QB's last year. On offense, I'd like to see a RB added in the mid to late rounds and another threat at WR.
I do think that we are slowly building up a team with solid depth, but it is going to take time. And I also feel that the Pats are, at this time, viewed as a worse team than they truly are b/c of "names."
I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season
The Santonio Holmes and Marshal deals are the straws that broke the camels back. I believe finances is dictating lack of activity
I would like to see how everyone else feels at this point one week before the draft
Let me get this straight. For three years we have had average talent, yet instead of being average (24-24) over those three years, we went 37-11.Our team has been in a three year rut with no signs of digging itself out. It is time for new blood top to bottom. We have a "4th and 1" go for it Head Coach; no real coordinators and all around average talent.
I'm very happy. Instead of going after bad character players and total idiots like Cromartie, who has the morals of a diseased alley cat and can't even take care of all the baby mamas who are smart enough to sue his ass for child support, on an NFL players salary, we've concentrated on signing high quality players like Wilfork and Bodden and guys like TBC who have experience in our system and an improved attitude.
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I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season
The Santonio Holmes and Marshal deals are the straws that broke the camels back. I believe finances is dictating lack of activity
I would like to see how everyone else feels at this point one week before the draft
Some people's expectations are ridiculous aren't they. 3 above 500 seasons considered a 'rut' in some people's minds. Go hang out with some Tampa, Detroit and Raiders fans and ask them what a rut is.Three year rut?
2007: Undefeated regular season, loss in Super Bowl
2008: Lose our starting QB in week 1, still finish 11-5 and miss the playoffs by 1 game
2009: Finish 10-6 and win the AFC East, lose in the 1st round of the playoffs
Interesting to see what you define as a "rut"
Some people's expectations are ridiculous aren't they. 3 above 500 seasons considered a 'rut' in some people's minds. Go hang out with some Tampa, Detroit and Raiders fans and ask them what a rut is.
I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season
Absolutely. We were spoiled during the Super Bowl years and people just expect that all the time when the chances of that happening are extremely unlikely. This decade we were in the Super Bowl 4 times (most in the league) and won it 3 times (most in the league). We had 112 wins (2nd in the league behind the Colts), .700 winning percentage (2nd behind the Colts). 7 playoff appearances (3rd in the league behind the Eagles and Colts). Shows how ridiculous some fans are when they make statements like that poster did.
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I posted my thoughts on another thread but it is appropriate to adapt them on this thread today.
Give the NY Jets and Miami their due: They know what they want and they are not afraid to go out and get it......at a REASONABLE price relative to the RISK.
Not too long ago, you could say that of the Patriots (witness the Moss and Welker trade). No longer.
The Patriots mistakes of last season are haunting Patriot management. Their free agent foray of last year netted Galloway and Baker (one didn't last the season and the other was dumped this off season) and they traded valuable draft picks for mediocre talents like Lewis (from the Iggles) and Burgess from Oakland Raiders (for a third and fifth draft picks this year). Compounding these errors in talent evaluation was the lack of locker room cohesion, largely blamed on Adalius Thomas (a 07 free agent whose signing was much acclaimed at that time) and unnamed others.
Having been bitten by their past off season mistakes, they are now too shy -- too vary of making ANY risky moves no matter how low the price.
Team management and ownership seem frozen -- unable or unwilling to undertake the kind of prior signature moves that paid great dividends in the past (witness Dillon or Moss). This off season alone, the Patriots could have signed Stallworth (for near the league minimum) -- but did not. They could have traded for and signed Boldin, by all accounts a good team member, for a reasonable price -- but did not. (Yes, I know they did not have a third round draft choice to offer the Cardinals but could easily have worked out something acceptable). They could have traded for Holmes -- but did not. (Again the third and fifth pick given up for Burgess turns out to have a very high opportunity cost) Yes they deserve credit for signing their own free agents but that simply preserves the status quo team of last year. Where is the improvement? The Pats don't even seem to be involved with Jason Taylor -- who is an unrestricted free agent and one whom they openly admired. And Marshall for two second-rounders over two years seems like a reasonable price. Of course, the 4 year extension at an average of $ 10 million a year would have made him the highest paid receiver on the team -- but would have assured the Pats one of the best receivers in the league long after Moss is gone.
I know part of the answer will be from the 12 picks -- four in the first two rounds -- in what is believed to be a deep draft. NY Jets now have only six picks total and two in the first two rounds. But arguably they have banked a lot of talent in Holmes and Cromartie. Last year they hit homeruns with free agents and they are willing to dare. But they are not rash -- they are taking on calculated and acceptable risk -- at a risk adjusted price they deem affordable. Indeed, if the epic length of this thread is any indication, Patriot Nation seems to have taken notice of the intelligent moves made by the Jets. Neutral observers are lauding the Jets for their moves. By any definition getting a talent like Holmes for a fifth draft choice is only possible because he is a troubled talent. But that did not stop the Patriots in the past?
What should concern us is not any specific signing by the Jets or the Dolphins or any other team. What should concern Pat Fans is the evident pattern this off season of a complete LACK of willingness on the part of Patriot management in doing anything in adding through free agents. Banking on the draft is itself not without risk. This inability or unwillingness to engage is a cause for concern. As is also the management's ability to evaluate talent available through free agency or through trades.
Finally, you have to wonder whether the team's paradigm of not willing to give a long term contract to players imported via trade, a la Moss who got a new contract only after playing out his old contract. Welker was the one exception. So long as the team maintains this policy, it essentially takes itself out of contention for the Boldins and Marshalls of the world. The all-purpose answer to all team questions is the draft. By choosing not to participate in free agency, all we can do is wait and see.
I think our locker room will return to that no-nonsense, prideful collection of professionals that it once was, now that it has a real leader on both sides of the ball.
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