Adalius Thomas league's worst linebacker

[Synovia]

It gets worse for our OLB's. Only 1 in the top 25

ProFootballFocus.com - By Position

Rankings:
6. Tully BC
28. AD
30. Pierre Woods
60. Derrick Burgess

There are 32 teams, each having 2 starters. So, we're looking at64 starting OLBs. Having 3 in the top 30 is GOOD.

 

[muzz]

There are 32 teams, each having 2 starters. So, we're looking at64 starting OLBs. Having 3 in the top 30 is GOOD.

Not for nothing, but do YOU really think Pierre Woods is even top 100?
AD @ 28?

That list is obviously bogus.

 

[zoostation]

i feel my life would be complete if I knew how to spell and ad a link

 

[supafly]

Re: Adalius Thomas leagues worst linebacker

THe only reason you worry about that is if hes good. If hes good, you can get picks for him. Its terrible logic.

I love posters who go out of their way to cherry-pick statements, without quoting the whole idea that was said.

I claimed that some of us feel he can get a late rd conditional pick, and some of us feel he will just be cut. Besides staying on the team, which very well could be an option, there's only 2 options, cut or trade. As I stated in the part that you didn't quote, some of us feel one way, and some of us feel another way--there isn't any right or wrong.

As far as your 'terrible logic' quote--that is your opinion that it's 'terrible logic,' you don't speak for the entire forum. As we all saw in 2008, when AD was in the running for possible SB MVP (had we won), he can still offer something. We were all devestated in 2008 when he went down with a broken arm, and we all wanted him back to help contribute for a playoff run. If you don't believe me, check the threads about AD in late-2008.

It may be YOUR opinion that he has nothing left to offer, and you may be correct. There is another opinion that is quite popular, that states that he had problems in game 1 vs. BUF, and never had his heart into last season. I don't know how you can be fine one year, but absolutely terrible the next. There is likely a middle-ground on his playing ability, and it's a popular belief that he may excel in a different role, system, or team still.

If you don't agree, fine--I could care less, that's your opinion. You're entitled to whatever you want to think, but don't act like wondering if he still has something left and would be able to contribute is crazy thinking.

There have been other players who have had crappy years, yet went on to have great years on other teams. That's a fact---not 'terrible logic' like you think necessarily. What you're stating is that you already know in your crystal ball that should he be cut, and picked up by the NYJ, that automatically he would suck. How do you know that? Because he had 1 lousy year here?

 

[eom]

There are 32 teams, each having 2 starters. So, we're looking at64 starting OLBs. Having 3 in the top 30 is GOOD.

32 teams have 2, but we have 3....?

how does that work?

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Adalius Thomas leagues worst linebacker

I love posters who go out of their way to cherry-pick statements, without quoting the whole idea that was said.

I claimed that some of us feel he can get a late rd conditional pick, and some of us feel he will just be cut. Besides staying on the team, which very well could be an option, there's only 2 options, cut or trade. As I stated in the part that you didn't quote, some of us feel one way, and some of us feel another way--there isn't any right or wrong.

As far as your 'terrible logic' quote--that is your opinion that it's 'terrible logic,' you don't speak for the entire forum. As we all saw in 2008, when AD was in the running for possible SB MVP (had we won), he can still offer something. We were all devestated in 2008 when he went down with a broken arm, and we all wanted him back to help contribute for a playoff run. If you don't believe me, check the threads about AD in late-2008.

It may be YOUR opinion that he has nothing left to offer, and you may be correct. There is another opinion that is quite popular, that states that he had problems in game 1 vs. BUF, and never had his heart into last season. I don't know how you can be fine one year, but absolutely terrible the next. There is likely a middle-ground on his playing ability, and it's a popular belief that he may excel in a different role, system, or team still.

If you don't agree, fine--I could care less, that's your opinion. You're entitled to whatever you want to think, but don't act like wondering if he still has something left and would be able to contribute is crazy thinking.

There have been other players who have had crappy years, yet went on to have great years on other teams. That's a fact---not 'terrible logic' like you think necessarily. What you're stating is that you already know in your crystal ball that should he be cut, and picked up by the NYJ, that automatically he would suck. How do you know that? Because he had 1 lousy year here?

This is sure a long defensive post for a guy who could care less

I think the logic goes this way:

Either AD sucks or he is good.

If AD sucks, no one will offer a pick, and we will cut him. So what?
If AD doesn't suck, one of 31 teams should offer a conditional 7th in 2011.

It has nothing to do with BB, last year, or being miffed. The question is: Is AD good enough for a conditinal 7th round pick or not? If not, worrying about the damage he will do is poor logic.


Now, it is probable that BB is not worried about his going to the Jets like you are. Every year players swap teams. Were the Jets worrried that we would snag Thomas and bolster our weak running game? Obviously not.

All this worrying about divisional opponents comes from mediots and fans. Coaches are concerned about improving THEIR team. They realize that as soon as they start shifting their roster to keep another team from getting a player, they have lost their mission and their focus.

Look at the list of quality FAs available over the years. Every one of them was let go by a team who realized that a division opponent could pick them up.

The Jets are not going to suddenly dominate the AFCE because they sign AD. People who worry about these things forget (or weren't fans back then) CuMar bolting to the Jests. Ooooo, that sure made a difference. About as much a difference as Milloy made to the Bills. Were you here then? Remember the trashing BB got amid multiple 'fans' predicting 0-16 seasons?

I think BB will keep AD until the end of tc. If a couple of LBs go down, AD stays. If not, he gets cut before game 1, and we use the roster spot to sign a player that someone else cut just before game one. Maybe it will be an ex-Jet? Who cares? Not the JEts FO, just the fans on Jets forums.

 

[supafly]

Re: Adalius Thomas leagues worst linebacker

This is sure a long defensive post for a guy who could care less

I think the logic goes this way:

Either AD sucks or he is good.

If AD sucks, no one will offer a pick, and we will cut him. So what?
If AD doesn't suck, one of 31 teams should offer a conditional 7th in 2011.

It has nothing to do with BB, last year, or being miffed. The question is: Is AD good enough for a conditinal 7th round pick or not? If not, worrying about the damage he will do is poor logic.


Now, it is probable that BB is not worried about his going to the Jets like you are. Every year players swap teams. Were the Jets worrried that we would snag Thomas and bolster our weak running game? Obviously not.

All this worrying about divisional opponents comes from mediots and fans. Coaches are concerned about improving THEIR team. They realize that as soon as they start shifting their roster to keep another team from getting a player, they have lost their mission and their focus.

Look at the list of quality FAs available over the years. Every one of them was let go by a team who realized that a division opponent could pick them up.

The Jets are not going to suddenly dominate the AFCE because they sign AD. People who worry about these things forget (or weren't fans back then) CuMar bolting to the Jests. Ooooo, that sure made a difference. About as much a difference as Milloy made to the Bills. Were you here then? Remember the trashing BB got amid multiple 'fans' predicting 0-16 seasons?

I think BB will keep AD until the end of tc. If a couple of LBs go down, AD stays. If not, he gets cut before game 1, and we use the roster spot to sign a player that someone else cut just before game one. Maybe it will be an ex-Jet? Who cares? Not the JEts FO, just the fans on Jets forums.

I mean I could care less if he agrees with those who feel AD will land a late rd, conditional pick--or if he agrees with those who feel we'll simply cut him. But it's likely you already figured that out.

Did the NYJ care about Thomas Jones going to NE? What is the comparison for, since there wasn't any talk of him coming here? Did we suddenly land a coach who has used Thomas Jones' abilites to their advantage?

I don't sit up at night worrying about the possibility. I think, like many others that it's a realistic possibility, due to Rex Ryan already knowing AD's strengths, and the fact that he's more of a 'players' coach' who will care more about AD's opinion than Belichick does. I don't know why suddenly AD is worthless, after showing up early in his 2nd game here vs. SD on SNF, then having a good versatile role all of 07--up until the great SB in Feb. 08. After that, he came out in the 2008 season pumped up and did a fine job. We all remember the sack against the NYJ when he single handedly took down 2 guys etc. That decent season led to getting hurt with a broken arm.

That's now 2 decent seasons of playing effective and versatile roles. On to 2009...there was turmoil right from the get go vs. BUF, and there have been pot-shots in the media since. If that suddenly makes him an untradable player, for even a conditional 7th rd pick, then something's wrong.

Just because he doesn't fit into BB's scheme here, certainly does not mean there is no market for him anywhere in the NFL. Didn't everyone say the same thing about Moss, etc? You cannot predict that no one wants him, including Belichick, who could still find a decent role here--likely as a pass rushing specialist. You stated that 'either he's good or he sucks' (?) Why can't there be a middle ground where he isn't as good as we'd like, but certainly doesn't suck? He didn't suck the first 2 seasons here. You're ignoring middle ground, not to mention that TBC's coming back moved him over to strong side again, somewhere he felt mis-used. I don't see him going to weak side where he led the team in sacks in 2008 before injury, but that doesn't mean other teams wouldn't use him there.

Whether AD goes to the NYJ or not, we will likely already have our hands full with their #1 defense. Sure, there's a chance the NYJ don't even want him, and there's a chance they'd pick him up. Who knows what'll happen? I am not pretending to know the future, I am simply stating a personal opinion, right or wrong. I fail to see the big mis-understanding?

 

[supafly]

Space-
I agree that BB could care less about AD landing with the Jets. Knowing our coachs' ego and 'care less what others think' philosophy, he isn't going to worry about much. I think my feeling was more of AD having overall value to someone still--that's a likely fact. The underlying problem is his high salary etc. There may not be a team who goes for the salary, but I don't agree by any means that no one would want him suddenly, or that he couldn't demand a conditional late rd pick.
I am one of few who still thinks he has value here, and in some ways he certainly has contributed. Since our LB situation isn't exactly great, I don't know if the team is in position to dump any kind of asset--even if it's an underachieving asset, simply because they questioned or spoke ill of the one and only great BB. I would hope Belichick would put team priority over personal matters, but that may not be. He seems to be quite set in his ways, and most of the time they work.
If I sounded like I felt BB would keep him, simply to keep him from the Jets--then I was mis-understood, for that is ridiculous. I do however, think that since Rex Ryan himself, specifically formed AD into a 20 sack in 2 season player, that he may show decent interest. Couple that with the fact that there has been much 'chatter' from other NYJ players who are still AD's friends, and I think that Rex Ryan would be interested. Again, I could very well be wrong, but I am one who thinks we should try hard to use him or trade him. I personally, still feel he can contribute--be that in Rex's system or otherwise.

 

[SanAngeloState]

space, I couldn't agree more.

AD is a terrible, terrible player and an all out turd. If the Jets want him, great, he'll bring them down the same way he did us.

Let this be a lesson to BB about signing high dollar FAs. It's very often a MISTAKE, sometimes a CRIPPLING one.

BB will go to his grave regretting signing this jerk.

 

[supafly]

Re: Adalius Thomas leagues worst linebacker

This is sure a long defensive post for a guy who could care less

I think the logic goes this way:

Either AD sucks or he is good.

If AD sucks, no one will offer a pick, and we will cut him. So what?
If AD doesn't suck, one of 31 teams should offer a conditional 7th in 2011.

It has nothing to do with BB, last year, or being miffed. The question is: Is AD good enough for a conditinal 7th round pick or not? If not, worrying about the damage he will do is poor logic.


Now, it is probable that BB is not worried about his going to the Jets like you are. Every year players swap teams. Were the Jets worrried that we would snag Thomas and bolster our weak running game? Obviously not.

All this worrying about divisional opponents comes from mediots and fans. Coaches are concerned about improving THEIR team. They realize that as soon as they start shifting their roster to keep another team from getting a player, they have lost their mission and their focus.

Look at the list of quality FAs available over the years. Every one of them was let go by a team who realized that a division opponent could pick them up.

The Jets are not going to suddenly dominate the AFCE because they sign AD. People who worry about these things forget (or weren't fans back then) CuMar bolting to the Jests. Ooooo, that sure made a difference. About as much a difference as Milloy made to the Bills. Were you here then? Remember the trashing BB got amid multiple 'fans' predicting 0-16 seasons?

I think BB will keep AD until the end of tc. If a couple of LBs go down, AD stays. If not, he gets cut before game 1, and we use the roster spot to sign a player that someone else cut just before game one. Maybe it will be an ex-Jet? Who cares? Not the JEts FO, just the fans on Jets forums.

WTF?
Curtis Martin didn't make a difference? 3 times he went over 1500 yds, and the only time he didn't cross 1,000 is his last year, when he was injured and only played 12 games. Pete Carroll just said only 2-3 days ago that letting Curtis Martin leave was one of the biggest mistakes of his coaching career. Yet you say "ooohhhh...that sure made a difference." That statement is completely comical. It didn't make a difference? We let a guy who averaged like 1300 yds a year go to a division rival!

Then again, this is also a direct quote from you in the 'SMY is my favorite reporter thread' :

"Randall Gay covered TO in the superbowl his rookie year. TO had one catch, and that came when Gay was bowled over by the Iggles' FB on a pic play.---spacecrime

I guess that's another WTF moment for you considering we all remember TO completely torching the Pats' secondary in SB 39. He finished with 122 yds. Your credibility is in serious question lately.

Curtis Martin's stats as a NYJ:

1998 New York Jets 15 369 1,287 3.5 8
1999 New York Jets 16 367 1,464 4.0 5
2000 New York Jets 16 316 1,204 3.8 9
2001 New York Jets 16 333 1,513 4.5 10
2002 New York Jets 16 261 1,094 4.2 7
2003 New York Jets 16 323 1,308 4.0 2
2004 New York Jets 16 371 1,697 4.6 12
2005 New York Jets 12 220 735 3.3 5

 

[supafly]

space, I couldn't agree more.

AD is a terrible, terrible player and an all out turd. If the Jets want him, great, he'll bring them down the same way he did us.

Let this be a lesson to BB about signing high dollar FAs. It's very often a MISTAKE, sometimes a CRIPPLING one.

BB will go to his grave regretting signing this jerk.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but why, specifically do you say this?

Do you not remember him starting his career here with a great performance against SD in his second game? All of that year he was plugged inside and outside, showing some good versatility. The season finsihed with him having a near MVP performance, where he was single handedly the best defensive player against the NYG. He proved to be a great lockerroom leader also, with the humble-pie tshirts etc.

In 2008, we watched his powerful sack vs. Favre and the O-lineman, where he had a mediocre--to--alright season, leading the team with 5 sacks before going down with an injury. If he had such a horrible season in 2008, why was everyone so damn upset when he went down with a broken arm?

I agree that he has not performed up to the 20 sacks in 2 seasons with BAL, but he hasn't exactly been a horrible turd here, like you say. In 2009, he has said some questionable things, shown up late with Moss and Burgess, and didn't seem to have his heart in it. He had a lousy year in 2009, and we were all pissed. But overall, do you really think he's that bad? Pls state your reasons, etc. One poor year doesn't equal an all out turd, IMO.

 

[jczxohn1]

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but why, specifically do you say this?

Do you not remember him starting his career here with a great performance against SD in his second game? All of that year he was plugged inside and outside, showing some good versatility. The season finsihed with him having a near MVP performance, where he was single handedly the best defensive player against the NYG. He proved to be a great lockerroom leader also, with the humble-pie tshirts etc.

In 2008, we watched his powerful sack vs. Favre and the O-lineman, where he had a mediocre--to--alright season, leading the team with 5 sacks before going down with an injury. If he had such a horrible season in 2008, why was everyone so damn upset when he went down with a broken arm?

I agree that he has not performed up to the 20 sacks in 2 seasons with BAL, but he hasn't exactly been a horrible turd here, like you say. In 2009, he has said some questionable things, shown up late with Moss and Burgess, and didn't seem to have his heart in it. He had a lousy year in 2009, and we were all pissed. But overall, do you really think he's that bad? Pls state your reasons, etc. One poor year doesn't equal an all out turd, IMO.

It's hard to figure just what turned AD against the team, or the coach, or whatever, but there is no doubt he did not play up to his potential in the '09 season. Don't know just how much injury history he had in Bal., but in addition to his broken arm on '08, he had a foot problem in Training Camp, IIRC, which may have lingered into the early part of the season. Such injuries can linger and effect performance, esp., from a pass rush perspective. IMO, his performance has been "professional" in the sense of doing what is necessary to grade out without too many complaints, but really only putting 85% effort into it. In contrast, Rosie Colvin was never more than 85% of what he was before his injury, and was in the doghouse more than once for failing to set the edge or not falling back far enough in coverage, but you never got the feeling it was for a want of trying. I just can't feel so generous about AD's effort. IMO, if he wants to go to the Jets, I probably wouldn't buy him a bus ticket, but he won't be much better than whoever he's replacing.

 

[supafly]

It's hard to figure just what turned AD against the team, or the coach, or whatever, but there is no doubt he did not play up to his potential in the '09 season. Don't know just how much injury history he had in Bal., but in addition to his broken arm on '08, he had a foot problem in Training Camp, IIRC, which may have lingered into the early part of the season. Such injuries can linger and effect performance, esp., from a pass rush perspective. IMO, his performance has been "professional" in the sense of doing what is necessary to grade out without too many complaints, but really only putting 85% effort into it. In contrast, Rosie Colvin was never more than 85% of what he was before his injury, and was in the doghouse more than once for failing to set the edge or not falling back far enough in coverage, but you never got the feeling it was for a want of trying. I just can't feel so generous about AD's effort. IMO, if he wants to go to the Jets, I probably wouldn't buy him a bus ticket, but he won't be much better than whoever he's replacing.

Nice post, I certainly agree that he didn't come close to playing to his potential last year, and played poorly overall. I do not agree with those who are saying he is total crap, etc. His attitude wasn't as good, no doubt, but I also feel that the media blew some of this out of proportion too. I am not sure that his comments were exactly the end of the world. He was quoted as saying "I don't need motivation, we're not in kindergarden here." Later on he also said, "Ask Bill where I fit best, Bill seems to know all the answers, You'll have to ask Bill." There was also the being late issue, and during the SB the media asked if he thought he was being used wrongly--again trying to make things worse. He stated that he felt he could've been used differently, IIRC, and again, referred to BB for answers. My thoughts are there seem to be some attitude problems from last year, but I question if he can overcome these problems and go back to playing good football.

As far as his injury goes in 2008, keep in mind that he was leading the team in sacks when he was injured, and also on pace for a double-digit sack total. This is also when playing ROLB, or weak side, which is where he belongs, IMO. I believe the addition of TBC (where he put up good numbers) moved AD over to strong side LOLB. This is where he started to feel mis-used, and where things turned sour IMO. It seems as though TBC certainly fits better at weak side, so this may very well decide his fate in leaving the team. Unless he went back inside, or played strong side OLB again, I don't see a role for him here anymore, unless it could be as a 3rd down situational pass rusher/combo RDE at times. He did play this role at times in BAL. I just don't see him getting to where he wants to be used, in the ROLB, weak side position--even though he does it well. TBC isn't going to play strong side, IMO.

I will consider 2007 as a good season, with good numbers and good lockerroom leadership. In 2008, he was having another good year, leading the team in sacks, but then was injured. Obviously 2009 didn't work out too well, although there was some, albeit limited production. 1 poor year out of 3 doesn't make you a total failure. I realize I am in the minority, but I still feel that he can produce here.

 

[DarrylS]

As much as I hate to say this, Maybe Ray Lewis was right?? Oh crap here comes the famous puke burp!!!!!

 

[Patjew]

Look for a big 2010 for AD with the Pats. I can smell it coming.

 

[Deus Irae]

Look for a big 2010 for AD with the Pats. I can smell it coming.

That must be the smell from DarrylS' puke burp.....

 

[RobertWeathers]

Look for a big 2010 for AD with the Pats. I can smell it coming.

Sounds like you've been drinking too much Manischewitz at the Seder, Patjew.

Speaking of which, my wife's family is having theirs tonight. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[HarkDawg]

it is a contract yr for him......who knows?

 

[Gunnails]

In regards to trading ADT.

The Jets cut there 1400 yard RB rather then pay him a guaranteed salary of around $6 million, should the Jets have traded Jones?

My feeling is Jones was untradeable considering his age and size of his contract. I am not saying that Jones has no value only that I think most would agree he is not worth $6 mil a year.

I see ADT in a similar situation, intriguing player like Jones on the wrong side of 30 with a contract that does not reflect his true value.

What does ADT's contract guarantee him for 2010? If it is under $4 million then he might be tradeable, I think I heard it was somewhere around $7 million,,, based on his performance the last few years, IMHO that makes him untradeable.

My guess is he gets cut and the Jets sign him for around $2.5 per year with incentives.

 

[miDeuce]

Interesting tidbit from the MovetheSticks.com podcast... the guy was a scout in Baltimore while AD was there, said he was a Blitzer, not a Rusher. He went on to explain that AD needed Rex's scheming to get him free, he was never going to line up one on one and beat his man and get to the quarterback...

Still don't know what went wrong in NE for him but I thought that was an interesting difference...