La Canfora: Pats trying hard to keep Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

[DonBlackmon55]

Butler just finished year-1. But, he does have potential. He needs more guidance, which depends on our Secondary-coach.

Wheatley is part of the scrap heap. He's had couple of years to prove himself, and failed.

Wilhite I'm not so sure if he is on the scrap heap, yet. It is frustrating when he has his back when the ball arrives at the WR. But, he is always there. I think he needs coaching as well. If our Secondary coach, sucks, then our players will suck.

I think it is possible, we will draft a 6' CB in April. One can only hope. But,


Bodden - Butler CBs
Merriweather-Chung Safeties

Willhite, McGown Nickel

We need Bodden and Butler as starting CB's. Any of Wilhite, Wheatley simply means get used to pathetic defensive backfield play especially since we have no defensive front rush.

 

[zipster9]

I fear that Bodden may sign with Texans. He is already there talking with them. If so, this means the Patriots blew it again.

Back to the crappy CBs: Willhite, Springs.


I really don't understand the Patriots. The CBs are a revolving-door, for many years. Isn't it about time to, at least pay for 1 stud CB?

Sigh.

 

[crowell33]

Butler one of next years starting CB

 

[emoney_33]

Although I have a few people on ignore, they are being quoted and I can't help but see key words.

One of the things I noticed was the resident internegator saying he is objective, and that BB has made a lot of mistakes.

People like him ignore the fact the it is a philosophy that makes the Pats (and Colts, etc) perennial winners.

They point to a decision that didn't work out anc all it a mistake.

But was it?

Ever play blackjack? There is a good winning philosohy there, based on when to take a hit. It doesn't work every time, but it is still a good philosophy.

So BB holds 12 a takes a hit. It is a 10. Bummer. Then he has 19 and stands pat. The dealer dealer flips his cards. he has 16. He draws and it's a deuce.

According the DI view of BB, he had two bad misses. Oh, you have to change taking a hit on 12 to signing AD, and standing pat on 19 with not re-signed Jabar gafney or whatever, but the rules are the same.

You go back over every move that didn't work out and say it was a mistake. It is the same as saying, "He should have stood pat with 12," and "He should have taken a hit at 19."

What the Negatories are fussing about are the minority of situations that didn't work. But like blackjack, the winning philosophy isn't designed to work 100% of the time. It can't. The success or failure of the phiosophy is how well you do over the long haul.

And how well have the Pats done over the long haul? Pretty damn good.

And yet, these maroons who say BB should has stood pat at 12 howl at those who understand how keeping the course with a winning philosophy works, and call us homers, as though to say we aren't thinking.

The whole purpose of the Negatories is not to be objective. It is to find those occurences where a hit would have worked at 19 and say, "See. BB screwed up again."

There are some trolls who understand this, but post anyway because their goal is to stir the pot. They aren't stupid, they are just looking to annoy. Sadly, that is not the case with out resident negatories. They really think they are being objective, and point to that deuce coming up as proof that BB made a horrible mistake. He should have taken the card at 19.

I actually really like this analogy, and want to take it a tiny bit further.

Take the standard blackjack strategy correct move, and let's make it the "obvious" move. It is the obvious and correct move based on the probabilities and percentages. Now if a player were counting cards he would have more information at hand that would alter the probabilities and percentages.

A decision in that situation would be deemed "wrong" or stupid by most outsiders, yet with all the knowledge of that said individual at the time (via card counting) the decision was actually correct.

 

[slash83]

”I think it’s great having a team like the Houston Texans being interested in me,” Bodden said in an interview with FOX 26 Sports at Houston’s Hobby Airport. “I’m just going to go here, meet the coaches, and hopefully everything goes good.”

“I had a good year there, but it’s all about who wants me,” Bodden said when asked about the Patriots. “If they want me, they can get me. If Houston wants me, they can get me. I’m just here to see what these guys have to offer and just meet the coaches.”

While it sounds like he wants to move on, he hasn’t totally slammed the door shut on the Pats. That is, if they don’t mind meeting his demands, which could be in the $4-to-$5 million a year vicinity.

If he is really asking between 4-5 million and the Pats arent willing to pay that then BB is a dumbass. Talk all the crap you want bout me but im not defending him on this one is thats true.

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[Willie55]

”I think it’s great having a team like the Houston Texans being interested in me,” Bodden said in an interview with FOX 26 Sports at Houston’s Hobby Airport. “I’m just going to go here, meet the coaches, and hopefully everything goes good.”

“I had a good year there, but it’s all about who wants me,” Bodden said when asked about the Patriots. “If they want me, they can get me. If Houston wants me, they can get me. I’m just here to see what these guys have to offer and just meet the coaches.”

While it sounds like he wants to move on, he hasn’t totally slammed the door shut on the Pats. That is, if they don’t mind meeting his demands, which could be in the $4-to-$5 million a year vicinity.

If he is really asking between 4-5 million and the Pats arent willing to pay that then BB is a dumbass. Talk all the crap you want bout me but im not defending him on this one is thats true.

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Sounds like a negotiating ploy trying to drive up his price.

 

[slash83]

Sounds like a negotiating ploy trying to drive up his price.

Probably right. Either way Pats cant afford to lose this guy imo.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Although I have a few people on ignore, they are being quoted and I can't help but see key words.

One of the things I noticed was the resident internegator saying he is objective, and that BB has made a lot of mistakes.

People like him ignore the fact the it is a philosophy that makes the Pats (and Colts, etc) perennial winners.

They point to a decision that didn't work out anc all it a mistake.

But was it?

Ever play blackjack? There is a good winning philosohy there, based on when to take a hit. It doesn't work every time, but it is still a good philosophy.

So BB holds 12 a takes a hit. It is a 10. Bummer. Then he has 19 and stands pat. The dealer dealer flips his cards. he has 16. He draws and it's a deuce.

According the DI view of BB, he had two bad misses. Oh, you have to change taking a hit on 12 to signing AD, and standing pat on 19 with not re-signed Jabar gafney or whatever, but the rules are the same.

You go back over every move that didn't work out and say it was a mistake. It is the same as saying, "He should have stood pat with 12," and "He should have taken a hit at 19."

What the Negatories are fussing about are the minority of situations that didn't work. But like blackjack, the winning philosophy isn't designed to work 100% of the time. It can't. The success or failure of the phiosophy is how well you do over the long haul.

And how well have the Pats done over the long haul? Pretty damn good.

And yet, these maroons who say BB should has stood pat at 12 howl at those who understand how keeping the course with a winning philosophy works, and call us homers, as though to say we aren't thinking.

The whole purpose of the Negatories is not to be objective. It is to find those occurences where a hit would have worked at 19 and say, "See. BB screwed up again."

There are some trolls who understand this, but post anyway because their goal is to stir the pot. They aren't stupid, they are just looking to annoy. Sadly, that is not the case with out resident negatories. They really think they are being objective, and point to that deuce coming up as proof that BB made a horrible mistake. He should have taken the card at 19.

The point that I take away from this is that it's unfair to criticize entirely in hindsight, which I agree with. Sometimes, when Belichick makes a controversial move, even at the time some of us regard it as hitting on a 12 (a pretty easy choice), and some, perhaps, view it as equivalent to hitting on an 18. If you're criticizing a move when it's made, and it turns out to unfold just as poorly as you predicted, then I think it's fair to criticize that move specifically, which doesn't necessarily mean that you're trashing the philosophy as a whole.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

When a player lands in another city and starts talking with them, its pretty much a forgone conclusion.. He is gone, and thust the story of as the CB turns in Pats land continues...

 

[slash83]

When a player lands in another city and starts talking with them, its pretty much a forgone conclusion.. He is gone, and thust the story of as the CB turns in Pats land continues...

But we have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds so BB will make it all better.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

But we have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds so BB will make it all better.

Just whilhite and wheatly are going to make us forget about samual and law...

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Probably right. Either way Pats cant afford to lose this guy imo.

Better get used to the Wilhite and Wheatley toasted side.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Better get used to the Wilhite and Wheatley toasted side.

To quote someone, that is not what we are looking for...

 

[DonBlackmon55]

To quote someone, that is not what we are looking for...

To quote someone else, tis whatcha gonna get. Dreams of Peppers, Dansby, Boldin, Bodden, are precisely that - dreams.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

To quote someone else, tis whatcha gonna get. Dreams of Peppers, Dansby, Boldin, Bodden, are precisely that - dreams.

If people thought last year we were rebuilding, I wonder what they will think of this year... When we have more rookies on defense and jags on offense, and a hof qb..

 

[DonBlackmon55]

If people thought last year we were rebuilding, I wonder what they will think of this year... When we have more rookies on defense and jags on offense, and a hof qb..

This has beenthe most frustrating part ofthe past 5 yrs of turnstyle roster. At the very least they should have kept Brady's targets to have a semblence of consistency between the QB and offense.

Branch, Givens, Graham, Gaffney etc. Yes you can't keep them all, but just replacing the WR roster every year is stupidity. The Branch fiasco cost us in 2006.

Granted Moss and Welker were far superior replacements, but when good soldiers like Gaffney are let go, and bag of useless replacements like galloway brought in, just makes you scratch your head. Then 4 yrs later we bring back an old David Patten, huh ?

Next yr Moss will likely be gone, and same saga will repeat as we enter the last 2-3 yrs of Brady's career.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Just whilhite and wheatly are going to make us forget about samual and law...

You mean that the nightmares will wipe out our memories of the good old days when we had people who could cover? Was that supposed to be comforting somehow? :bricks:

 

[Rob0729]

If people thought last year we were rebuilding, I wonder what they will think of this year... When we have more rookies on defense and jags on offense, and a hof qb..

Seriously, if Bodden leaves, he is the only significant player to leave this roster and there is still plenty of time to improve before the draft. You chicken littles are welcome to jump off the bandwagon now.

If I remember correctly, the Pats won a Super Bowl with a bunch of rookies and JAGs. Guys like Roman Phifer, Anthony Pleasants, David Patten, Joe Andruzzi, Mike Vrabel, Otis Smith, Tebucky Jones, Mike Compton, Bobby Hamilton, etc. were a bunch of JAGs and has-beens.

 

[Rob0729]

To quote someone else, tis whatcha gonna get. Dreams of Peppers, Dansby, Boldin, Bodden, are precisely that - dreams.

And none of them would have been the answer to all the Pats' issues and guys like Peppers and Dansby would have made it financially difficult to fix all the holes. It is day three of free agency.

If the Pats add 4-7 solid, yet unspectacular veterans like a Derrick Mason, Antonio Bryant, Larry Foote, etc. This team will be better. Much better than if the Pats paid Peppers what the Bears did and didn't address any other issue because of money. Marquee free agents are all well and good, but this team has won Super Bowls getting solid, unremarkable veterans who fit the system and do their job.

 

[SanAngeloState]

BB drafted Wilhite (who I think is good he just needs to learn to LOOK for the ball) and Wheatley and Butler.

3 high picks in 2 years. That's enough, along with this year's pick and Springs.

He needs to be forced to dance with the gal that brung him. Or that technically he brung (drafted). Screw this paying 8M for FA CBs....WE NEED TO DEVELOP OUR OWN! Why hasn't he done that? HE's a master of defense. He developed Samuel, didn't he?