Which players are you regretting we let leave?

[fair catch fryar]

I know he wanted to be paid as much as a Brinks truck could hold, but I always hated seeing Ty Law leave.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah we did, but still, Dillon aside its been like a real pain in the arse since hasn't it. Faulk is a great 3rd down back, but jeez Martin was a step above, one of the last bastians of an every down RB.

Everytime I look at this it makes me feel sick

Year Team Games Attempts Yards YPC TDs
1995 New England Patriots 16 368 1,487 4.0 14
1996 New England Patriots 16 316 1,152 3.6 14
1997 New England Patriots 13 274 1,160 4.2 4
1998 New York Jets 15 369 1,287 3.5 8
1999 New York Jets 16 367 1,464 4.0 5
2000 New York Jets 16 316 1,204 3.8 9
2001 New York Jets 16 333 1,513 4.5 10
2002 New York Jets 16 261 1,094 4.2 7
2003 New York Jets 16 323 1,308 4.0 2
2004 New York Jets 16 371 1,697 4.6 12
2005 New York Jets 12 220 735 3.3 5

List of National Football League rushing yards leaders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Forgot about CM....Yea Ty, Graham too.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Hobbs, for the fact that the kick return game was non-existent this year.

Deion Branch and Asante Samuel were not worth the money and the Richard Seymour trade was a great deal, as I did not see him returning to the team.

Also people like to say how Deion "cost" us the Super Bowl in 2006. The team scored 34 points in the AFC Championship game, it was just the start of one too many frequent defensive collapses that would come to be.

maybe McGinest?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Loved his production here but Willie McG was past his shelf life. He was SLOOOOW playing for Cleveland.

 

[Brady_12]

I like Gost and all but for purely sentimental reasons I wish we'd kept #4.

 

[mgteich]

Robinson just signed for $9.5M

you're kidding, right? For $10million/. That's not good value, dude. Some ppl just don't get running a business...

 

[mgteich]

Law
Samuel
Branch

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

Daniel Graham.

And although he never played another down in the NFL.....I still to this day believe that Clock Killin' had another season in him and would have helped tremendously with the early growth of Maroney.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'm assuming this is about the BB era, so.....

Law
Samuel (because he wasn't replaced)
Hobbs
Seymour
Watson (Unless there's a surprise replacement in the wings)
Graham
Gaffney (because he wasn't replaced)
Givens

If not, add Hugh Milen to my list.

Nothing wrong with this thread but it's somewhat silly as the assumption is that money doesn't matter.

I'd love to have them all back if money wasn't an issue... I find it tough to second guess most of the choices that Belichick has made given some of the offers that guys like Graham, Givens, and Samuel got, not matter how much I'd love them to stay here for reasonable money.

Someone should add up all the salary offers of the guys listed on this thread... if we were in a salary cap year the point would be clear.

That being said, we parted ways with a few guys who wouldn't have broken the bank too, but for the most part, it's been a money issue with most.

 

[WelshPat]

Samuel. The money we spent on Thomas could have been spent on him.

 

[Deus Irae]

If not, add Hugh Milen to my list.

Nothing wrong with this thread but it's somewhat silly as the assumption is that money doesn't matter.

I'd love to have them all back if money wasn't an issue... I find it tough to second guess most of the choices that Belichick has made given some of the offers that guys like Graham, Givens, and Samuel got, not matter how much I'd love them to stay here for reasonable money.

Someone should add up all the salary offers of the guys listed on this thread... if we were in a salary cap year the point would be clear.

That being said, we parted ways with a few guys who wouldn't have broken the bank too, but for the most part, it's been a money issue with most.

None of the players on my list were out of reach due to money, though. The Patriots could have chosen to sign, or keep, them all and still be alright with the cap. They simply went in another direction.

The only possible exception to this is Graham, since the full story on how much the team offered, how intent he was on going to Denver, etc... has never come out.

 

[emoney_33]

Samuel. The money we spent on Thomas could have been spent on him.

So what then does the defense look like in 2007 without Adalius who played really well in 2007?

And if you think the 2008-2009 teams with Samuel and no Adalius would be better, I think that's just crazy.

So if that money could only be spent on one of them, OLB was absolutely the right decision.

 

[SyN65]

Samuel is really the only one.

 

[fierce]

None of the players on my list were out of reach due to money, though. The Patriots could have chosen to sign, or keep, them all and still be alright with the cap. They simply went in another direction.

The only possible exception to this is Graham, since the full story on how much the team offered, how intent he was on going to Denver, etc... has never come out.

PLEASE prove this. Just throw a little bit of effort in backing your mouth for once. I can not even believe you posted this.

We have probably the best amateur capologist in Miguel, I'd love for him to take a crack at your nonsense.

This post was so bad it's like you pulled it out of Tanked's @$$.

 

[JFK]

Zant!!!!!!!

 

[Deus Irae]

PLEASE prove this. Just throw a little bit of effort in backing your mouth for once. I can not even believe you posted this.

We have probably the best amateur capologist in Miguel, I'd love for him to take a crack at your nonsense.

This post was so bad it's like you pulled it out of Tanked's @$$.

Seymour was already under the cap. Hobbs was going to be in the last season of his rookie deal, meaning that he was essentially just base salary. Watson is happening under an uncapped system. Gaffney signed a relatively paltry 4 year, $10M deal with only 3 million guaranteed. Samuel had been kept under the franchise tag, meaning that there was clearly room to have gotten a contract in place. Law was carried with a high cap number the season before and you can feel free to go back and look at the Givens numbers on your own.

Now, I don't know why you have an affinity for Tanked's ass, but you should perhaps not have been sticking your head up there. It certainly didn't help you to think clearly.

 

[fierce]

Seymour was already under the cap, for example. Hobbs was going to be in the last season of his rookie deal, meaning that he was essentially just base salary. Watson is happening under an uncapped system. Gaffney signed a relatively paltry 4 year, $10M deal with only 3 million guaranteed. Samuel had been kept under the franchise tag, meaning that there was clearly room to have gotten a contract in place. Law was carried with a high cap number the season before and you can feel free to go back and look at the Givens numbers on your own.

Now, I don't know why you have an affinity for Tanked's ass, but you should perhaps not have been sticking your head up there. It clearly didn't help you to think clearly.

Too many holes in your argument to deal with each but I'll try.

Seymour - Was under the cap but was NOT going to resign here. Say whatever the hell you want about it but I'll take any Pats beat writer's opinion over yours. If you can find me ONE article that says Seymour was even willing to resign here I'll gladly give you this argument. Getting a potential top 5 pick for 1 year of Seymour was an EXCELLENT decision. The only way that's not a great decision is if you think Seymour brings us a trophy last year. If you honestly believe that I have some investments for you to look at.

Hobbs - I agree on Hobbs. I liked him, thought he was a good 3rd CB and an excellent returner. This doesn't seem driven by money so i don't know what the thought process was behind this decision.

Watson - I like Watson as well. I'd like to keep him. If he gets DG money he will likely be somewhere else. For whatever reason we don't throw to the TE very often.

Gaffney - I think EVERYONE missed the boat on this. We signed a few WR and drafted a few. I don't think most teams go into a season genuinely worried if they have a star at 3WR. Most teams use a compliment of RB, TE, 3WR, 4WR, 5WR, etc to fill this hole. Gaffney SHOULDN'T have been a key cog in our offense. This to me falls on the play calling. Hindsight being 20/20 I can see keeping him at those numbers because of his value in our system. Outside of that hindsight I can see why we didn't match that offer.

Samuel - How many years do you want to franchise a guy? I know supposedly Samuel is an elite CB but I didn't see it. If we sign Bodden for more than 9-10 million you'll get an apology from me.

Law - You mentioned Law playing under a huge salary in 04. That was 9mil which turned into 12 million in 05. You want to pay an old CB 12 million for one season? Okey dokey....

Conveniently you left a few of your "list" off of your response.

Graham - Again Graham got huge money from Denver AND wanted to play in Denver. That's completely his prerogative.

Givens - The Titans rolled a Brinks truck up to Givens door. Then he never even played in a regular season game. How you can say we should have matched their offer is beyond my understanding, sorry.

My two biggest problems with your post is that not everyone on your team can be paid like a pro-bowler. Even if they are a pro-bowler. The Cardinals just lost their MLB, S, QB, 2WR, etc. It happens...

It's 100% fair to say we should have kept one player or another. It's not fair to say we should have just kept them all. The choice was between Seymour and Wilfork not whether we should/could keep them both. It just doesn't work...

My other problem is lately a buch of Madden world beaters seem to think that they have the depth of knowledge and inner workings of The Patriots, The NFL and football in general to actually suggest that they could run our cap not mention our team, oh and play calling better than the people who do eat sleep and breath this game.

 

[condon84]

1. Curtis Martin

 

[Deus Irae]

Too many holes in your argument to deal with each but I'll try.

Seymour - Was under the cap but was NOT going to resign here. Say whatever the hell you want about it but I'll take any Pats beat writer's opinion over yours. If you can find me ONE article that says Seymour was even willing to resign here I'll gladly give you this argument. Getting a potential top 5 pick for 1 year of Seymour was an EXCELLENT decision. The only way that's not a great decision is if you think Seymour brings us a trophy last year. If you honestly believe that I have some investments for you to look at.

Hobbs - I agree on Hobbs. I liked him, thought he was a good 3rd CB and an excellent returner. This doesn't seem driven by money so i don't know what the thought process was behind this decision.

Watson - I like Watson as well. I'd like to keep him. If he gets DG money he will likely be somewhere else. For whatever reason we don't throw to the TE very often.

Gaffney - I think EVERYONE missed the boat on this. We signed a few WR and drafted a few. I don't think most teams go into a season genuinely worried if they have a star at 3WR. Most teams use a compliment of RB, TE, 3WR, 4WR, 5WR, etc to fill this hole. Gaffney SHOULDN'T have been a key cog in our offense. This to me falls on the play calling. Hindsight being 20/20 I can see keeping him at those numbers because of his value in our system. Outside of that hindsight I can see why we didn't match that offer.

Samuel - How many years do you want to franchise a guy? I know supposedly Samuel is an elite CB but I didn't see it. If we sign Bodden for more than 9-10 million you'll get an apology from me.

Law - You mentioned Law playing under a huge salary in 04. That was 9mil which turned into 12 million in 05. You want to pay an old CB 12 million for one season? Okey dokey....

Conveniently you left a few of your "list" off of your response.

Graham - Again Graham got huge money from Denver AND wanted to play in Denver. That's completely his prerogative.

Givens - The Titans rolled a Brinks truck up to Givens door. Then he never even played in a regular season game. How you can say we should have matched their offer is beyond my understanding, sorry.

My two biggest problems with your post is that not everyone on your team can be paid like a pro-bowler. Even if they are a pro-bowler. The Cardinals just lost their MLB, S, QB, 2WR, etc. It happens...

It's 100% fair to say we should have kept one player or another. It's not fair to say we should have just kept them all. The choice was between Seymour and Wilfork not whether we should/could keep them both. It just doesn't work...

My other problem is lately a buch of Madden world beaters seem to think that they have the depth of knowledge and inner workings of The Patriots, The NFL and football in general to actually suggest that they could run our cap not mention our team, oh and play calling better than the people who do eat sleep and breath this game.

1.) There was a simple question asked by the O.P. I gave a simple list. If you don't agree with the list, that's fine. However, your argument against them based on cap/money was flat-out wrong.

2.) There was no choice that needed to be made between Seymour and Wilfork.

3.) I didn't "Conveniently you left a few of your "list" off of your response." Graham was the one I noted to be a possible exception because the full story wasn't out. Therefore, why would he be on the list explaining the money? As for Givens, the team clearly had the money to re-sign him and chose not to. As I noted, you can go look up the numbers.

There are no holes in my "argument". You jumped in on something for no reason, in a situation where you didn't know what the hell you were talking about. That's all that happened here.

 

[fierce]

1.) There was a simple question asked by the O.P. I gave a simple list. If you don't agree with the list, that's fine. However, your argument against them based on cap/money was flat-out wrong.

2.) There was no choice that needed to be made between Seymour and Wilfork.

3.) I didn't "Conveniently you left a few of your "list" off of your response." Graham was the one I noted to be a possible exception because the full story wasn't out. Therefore, why would he be on the list explaining the money? As for Givens, the team clearly had the money to re-sign him and chose not to. As I noted, you can go look up the numbers.

There are no holes in my "argument". You jumped in on something for no reason, in a situation where you didn't know what the hell you were talking about. That's all that happened here.

Actually I backed up my argument with numbers and research. VS throwing out BS lines like "find the numbers yourself" and the classic "We had the money". Listen you post a ton here so I can't knock your fan enthusiasm but seriously, theres more to this than collecting talent. You CAN NOT buy a Lombardi trophy. Many teams have tried and it doesn't work.