Moss: "I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

[Jangles]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

So what you actually are is a bandwaggon fan of whichever team Randy Moss' is on...and that makes it a no brainer you would become a critic of any team that doesn't make the most of Randy Moss' presence as if that, and not winning football games, is their goal because it's your's and Randy's... We won it all long before Randy showed up on our roster and we will continue to win when he's on someone else's...and then I assume they will have your sparkling "fan" presence as a bonus.

Nope

I didn't like the Raiders

I'm just not blind enough to think the Pats get better as a football team by losing Randy Moss. Unless they make a good choice in the draft which is unlikely or pick up a strong FA then Randy Moss is their best option at WR.

I agree the Pats will win long after Randy Moss but not unless they decide to find WRs that can catch a football. Wes and Randy are incredible but anyone else that lines up in the position on this team is a joke

 

[SanAngeloState]

It's a very obnoxious and selfish thing to say. They WILL extend his contract IF he plays well. Tell him to shut up and just worry about that.

If he keeps slowing down and can't get open deep (not that Brady can hit him deep anyway oftentimes) then why would they pay him the 9M per year or whatever he's getting?

He's going to be how old? 34 after next season? Of course the Pats are going to be circumspect about signing a 34 year old WR who has speed as his major attribute. Why wouldn't they?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Given that I didn't claim Harrison made the statement as a team captain, and that you didn't use that in your response:



I don't really see your point in bringing it up here, now, other than just to move the goalposts. :confused2:

Aside from the fact that there is a world of difference between commenting on someting as a media member after your playing days are over and commenting on something while you are actively in the employ of a team...nothing...:ugh:

Here is something Rodney said yesterday at the same event while Randy was blathering about his situation:

Harrison wasn't surprised that locker room leadership was an issue for the Patriots this season.

"Obviously, it is when you lose over 50 years of experience on defense of course there is an impact. You have to understand championships aren't won because guys are just great players. It's because they know how to deal with certain situations. They know how to deal with adversity. They know how to deal with success and that comes through leadership you know what I mean.

"I would be really foolish to sit here and tell you they're not missing that type of leadership. ...You watch them ,the way they play, and they're a young team and they need leadership."

Team captains aren't guys who whine or hide or plant seeds of dissent. They're selfless guys who check their own egos at the door and step up, on the playing field, on the practice field, in the locker room, in public, for the greater good. That's why Branch and Seymour and Samuel aren't here any more. We could have afforded to overpay them (albeit at someone elses expense) only they weren't worth it because they not only weren't leaders, they were what Bill calls negative leaders...

I never believed Randy was a leader in the truest sense. Sure he likes to mentor kids and hold court and wow onlookers at practice. He's historically useless in adversity which is when leaders earn their keep. Now he projects as a potential negative leader. What he should have said whether he really meant it or not is I'm not worried about anything beyond making this offense better and winning in 2010. If he wants to send the team a message, I'm sure his agent has their number. Most likely he already has their response...

This is Randy's way of emotionally checking out. If we win it all in 2010, great. If not, don't look at 81...I show up, I suit up, what else do you people want from me for a lousy $27M... I'll be somewhere after a lockout...I'm still productive...greatest ever...whatever. He's just another in a long line of guys who don't get it. Talent doesn't win rings. Effort and committment and sacrifice does. Otherwise one of those teams you keep pointing out spent $150M more than NE between 2004 and 2008 would have managed to win at least one ring...as would guys like Moss or TO or Peppers...

 

[furley]

If they trade him without replacing him with a monster WR, then we're looking at a 2006-like team except with a worse running game and far worse defense. That's a 7-9 team.

Who said anything about just giving Moss away? I take it you've a lot of reservations about the wide receivers in this year's draft.

I see no point in having a player play out his final season knowing you've no intention of signing him to a contract extension. Are you going to franchise him? I say, no. So why would you be adverse to drafting a wide receiver or two who can add dept at the position and provide insurance in the event you decide to trade Moss this off-season. Maybe, Belichick has an eye on a few wide receivers. I don't know... But to believe that you've to replace Moss with a "monster" wide receive makes as much sense as believing that you allow a player to play out his last season when he isn't a part of your future plans. None of us know that for a fact, Moss probably doesn't know that either. Regardless, you've to plan ahead and begin drafting and signing players to add depth.

See, what you're doing is assuming the worst without Moss. Is Brady not the best player on the team? I understand that losing Welker to injury doesn't help matters right now, but you still have Brady.

In my opinion, Moss needs to worry about himself (his focus and his health) and not about Brady's future (his contract is expiring too) or the future of other teammates and their contract situation. I don't see what good comes from speaking publicly about your contract situation to the media. Are you not showing your impatience? Are you not irking ownership? I can only guess that Moss is nervous about the possibility of a NFL lockout next year and wants to have job security. He might view his expiring contract as bad timing. Nonetheless, the way in which he's handling this isn't prudent.

It has been speculated that New England could focus on becoming a running team first with a priority on team defense. If true, that defeats your whole notion of needing to get another "monster" wide receiver to replace Moss.

Moss also confirmed that he played through a painful shoulder separation sustained in Week 5. He indicated that he has "a lot of respect" for the Pats, but he understands they aren't an organization that likes to pay high-dollar contracts. In the final year of a three-year, $27M deal, Moss expects to play for a new team in 2011. Local beat writers have speculated that the Pats aim to get back to a more conservative offense with a dominant ground attack.

Randy Moss

Like Moss, quarterback Tom Brady is also entering the final year of his contract. Moss was much more optimistic about Brady's future as a Patriot than his own.

"Like I said, man, I don't really know what's going on with his situation or his contract, but if you ask me personally I think that Tom Brady is going to be a New England Patriot," said Moss. "But as far as me I don't really know. I know I would like a new contract. I think I've done enough to have a new contract.

Moss doesn't expect to be a Patriot after 2010 - Extra Points - Boston.com

 

[Deus Irae]

Aside from the fact that there is a world of difference between commenting on someting as a media member after your playing days are over and commenting on something while you are actively in the employ of a team...nothing...:ugh:

In other words, you were just moving the goalposts, since it hadn't been an issue for you in your earlier post, until someone backed up my comment about it having been talked about.

 

[Deus Irae]

Team captains aren't guys who whine or hide or plant seeds of dissent. They're selfless guys who check their own egos at the door and step up, on the playing field, on the practice field, in the locker room, in public, for the greater good. That's why Branch and Seymour and Samuel aren't here any more. We could have afforded to overpay them (albeit at someone elses expense) only they weren't worth it because they not only weren't leaders, they were what Bill calls negative leaders...

I never believed Randy was a leader in the truest sense. Sure he likes to mentor kids and hold court and wow onlookers at practice. He's historically useless in adversity which is when leaders earn their keep. Now he projects as a potential negative leader. What he should have said whether he really meant it or not is I'm not worried about anything beyond making this offense better and winning in 2010. If he wants to send the team a message, I'm sure his agent has their number. Most likely he already has their response...

This is Randy's way of emotionally checking out. If we win it all in 2010, great. If not, don't look at 81...I show up, I suit up, what else do you people want from me for a lousy $27M... I'll be somewhere after a lockout...I'm still productive...greatest ever...whatever. He's just another in a long line of guys who don't get it. Talent doesn't win rings. Effort and committment and sacrifice does. Otherwise one of those teams you keep pointing out spent $150M more than NE between 2004 and 2008 would have managed to win at least one ring...as would guys like Moss or TO or Peppers...

Randy's way of checking out....

I don't see why we can't get back to the same potent offense we had two or three years ago. I know it takes a lot of hard work, a lot of time and a lot of effort. I'm willing to do that, so hopefully we can get back to the same offense we were a couple of years ago."

More from Moss - Extra Points - Boston.com

So, since you like to tell us all how these people think and feel, how is Randy's stated willingness to put in "a lot of hard work...." him checking out? Also, how many hours a day do you spend at Gillette with the players, coaches and front office in order to be sure of such things? What's your job there? Are you the team psychiatrist, and constantly on site?

 

[BradyFTW!]

That's why Branch and Seymour and Samuel aren't here any more.

So that's why they signed Seymour to two different extensions, and made him one of the highest-paid players in the league at his position?

It's rarely smart to speculate as to what the inner dynamics of the locker room, and even less wise to outright state that you know what's happening. Most of us know better...

 

[Patjew]

Brady has won without a monster WR...

Maybe I should have said decent/good/solid WR instead of "monster", since what I was trying to say is that Brady needs someone of NFL caliber to throw the ball to, and as of right now the Patriots' WR corp is much better with Moss than without.

 

[Patjew]

Who said anything about just giving Moss away? I take it you've a lot of reservations about the wide receivers in this year's draft.

Not exactly. I don't know squat about the draft.

And for all of the people telling to take a chill pill. Where can I find said chill pill? I could go for a pill to make me feel more chill.

 

[Mr. Pollard]

Just Randy being Randy, this will end as badly as Manny being Manny.

These guys don't change, Moss is a dog.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

Hey guys, remember this interview?

Brady wants to be a money quarterback - on the field - The Boston Globe

Brady said: " I think we’re all probably underpaid....I’ve thought about it. I just want to go out and have a great year... You don’t know whether you’ll be out here next week or the following week..."

WHAT A MALCONTENT, THOSE WORDS CAME DIRECTLY OUT OF HIS MOUTH. AND FROM THE HIGHEST-PAID PLAYER ON THE TEAM, NO LESS, WHAT AN UNGRATEFUL PRIMA DONNA LOSER.

Is that an accurate representation of the real context of what Brady said? Of course not- that's me selectively chopping out all but the juiciest bits, so that it sounds like a much bigger deal than what he was really saying. The media does this all the time, and this whole Moss debacle is no exception.

Fact: Brady is a more eloquent speaker than Moss, so he didn't trip up quite as badly as Moss did.

Fact: If Moss had said what Brady said there to the media, he would have been absolutely skewered for it anyways. But because it was Brady, and not Moss, they focused on the positive instead of the negative (see the title for a perfect example of this). Quit letting the sports 'media' work you up into a frenzy.

All that Moss did was acknowledge the reality of the situation, and unfortunately he used a poor choice of words to do it. It's annoying, and I'm disappointed in him for it, but life will go on and it's really not a huge deal. Meanwhile, geniuses like MoLewisRocks are going to use it to get up on their high horses for another 75 paragraphs, talking endlessly about how Moss isn't a 'real' patriot, with such clear insight into the Pats' locker room chemistry that they must be players themselves (or talking out of their asses, as usual).

Except what Brady was really saying there is that he feels all football players are underpaid given what they're asked to do, which is to essentially put their bodies on the line week in and week out. What Moss said was that the Patriots (not the NFL in general) underpay people. He ignored a couple of things. The first is that he's due to earn $9 million for his services this season. The second is Tom Brady's contract. The third was Adalius Thomas' contract. Shall I go on? On top of that, he also ignored the fact that Patriots players on the current roster aren't "supposed" to air dirty laundry to the media. If I'm not mistaken, it's been that way since Belichick got here.

I'll be happy to bump this thread a year from now if/when Moss balks at the Pats' contract offer and opens his mouth again. I have a feeling the reactions will be amusing when compared to this thread.

 

[Angry Man]

You'd think by now Randy would learn to keep his mouth shut... or at least control what he says. If he would of left things with "I'm going to play my heart out and hope for the best after this season" I would totally respect that. But comments like "they don't pay" is one big disrespect to the team. Doesn't change my opinion that Randy on his good days is one of the best wide receivers in the league but man..... that's something you should never say EVER going into your final year in a contract.

 

[stavros27]

It just gets funnier over at PFT. New headline and post from Florio...


' Moss on lack of offensive coordinator: "I don't care" '


Moss on lack of offensive coordinator: "I don't care" | ProFootballTalk.com


Both Moss and Florio are from WV. I wonder if Randy did anything to piss Florio off in the past. There are only a handful of guys that I have seen Florio aimleessly attack or try to make up rumours about, and Randy is one of them.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

In other words, you were just moving the goalposts, since it hadn't been an issue for you in your earlier post, until someone backed up my comment about it having been talked about.

Nobody backed up your comment. What someone said is he thinks he remembers Rodney talking about a pay cut after he joined NBC. He did take a pay cut once. It likely came up in NFL discussion because dozens upon dozens of players are asked to take paycuts annually on all teams. And since you're not stupid, you know that. Willie had to take one in Cleveland, even... Asante and Richard will be asked to take one some day... Branch too...soon. Happens whenever guys cease producing to the level of the contract to which they were signed. And FWIW Rodney also got a pay raise one season...

What Branch and Asante and Richard and now Randy have done and said is different because they singled out this team as being unwilling to pay productive players which is a crock, and in Randy's case he did it while he was still in this teams employ and serving as a team captain. He is clearly paving the way for his own exit, lest anyone assume he is being let go because he isn't worth it... Which is exactly why Branch and Samuel and Seymour and several others are no longer here. Because they convinced Bill Belichick they were not worth what they were getting paid or what they were demanding to be paid or what remained to be paid them vs. what someone else was offering.

Sad part is Seymour actually seems to get it on some level as his comments last month indicated. Said if he were starting his own team today he'd go after slightly less talented players to whom football matters who are hard nosed, effort guys. Said he thinks that's what we are now missing. LOL That was the foundation of Bill's system that Lawyer long ago convinced Richard was getting too much credit here that rightly belonged to talent...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So that's why they signed Seymour to two different extensions, and made him one of the highest-paid players in the league at his position?

It's rarely smart to speculate as to what the inner dynamics of the locker room, and even less wise to outright state that you know what's happening. Most of us know better...

No, that's why after bumping his salary to get him into camp they only signed him to an almost unheard of 3 year extension. I said at the time it was a test because they weren't sure if he would remain healthy or ever buy all in which is what they needed their top tier players here to. Last fall the verdict came in...

 

[CGH TX PATS]

In a way this makes me sad because we all know it's coming. Nothing has made me happier than to see 81 with the flying Elvis on his helmet. I wonder if TB12 will leave money on the table (again) in order to see that the greatest weapon of his career stays with the team. I think seeing what we do in free agency or the draft at the WR position tells us what will happen to Moss. If they aren't going to extend him after this year, move him now and get something in return. No way i'm cool with letting Moss walk and get nothing back!

Or... what if he's our franchise player???

 

[patfanken]

This is just another tempest in a teapot. If you told me we were going to get this much production out of Randy Moss for 3 years, I'd say you were crazy. The fact we did and will likely get as much next year is beyond my expectations.

I don't think anything Moss said was out of line a bit. He recognizes that he's going to be 35 during the 2012 season, and the Pats are not likely to spend $9-11mm on an aging WR, even an HOFer like Moss.

If he was willing to take half of that, I'm sure the Pats would gladly give him another 2 years, but at 10 million per year, it just wouldn't make sense.

Bottom line, its really up to Moss whether he continues as a Patriot after next season. But either way, if he wants a 10MM contract for 2012 he will have BOTH stay healthy, and have ANOTHER productive season, and if he does both, I'll be happy to watch him get another big pay day from another team. It would have meant that he gave the Pats 4 great years in the twilight of his career.

 

[captain stone]

Not exactly. I don't know squat about the draft.

And for all of the people telling to take a chill pill. Where can I find said chill pill? I could go for a pill to make me feel more chill.

Does that mean that it's summer in your part of the hemisphere?

 

[Patjew]

Does that mean that it's summer in your part of the hemisphere?

Not quite, but it ain't too cool here.

 

[Deus Irae]

Nobody backed up your comment. What someone said is he thinks he remembers Rodney talking about a pay cut after he joined NBC. He did take a pay cut once. It likely came up in NFL discussion because dozens upon dozens of players are asked to take paycuts annually on all teams. And since you're not stupid, you know that.

You:

I may be wrong but unless you can prove it I don't recall Harrison ever commenting publicly on having to take a paycut.

BradyFTW!:

I recall him talking about it pretty early-on when he had just started at the NBC sunday night show, I think? I dunno, clearly my memory of it isn't a slam dunk, could be wrong.

You questioned whether it happened. Another poster noted a 'fuzzy' recall of it happening. That's backing me up, albeit 'fuzzily'. It was a simple thing being used only as an example, and you made out as I was posting a falsehood. As you noted, "it likely came up..." and, since you're not stupid, you already knew that when you questioned the veracity of my statement. You then went about moving the goalposts with the "team captain" irrelevancy. But, it's just not worth going further on this with you.

What Branch and Asante and Richard and now Randy have done and said is different because they singled out this team as being unwilling to pay productive players which is a crock, and in Randy's case he did it while he was still in this teams employ and serving as a team captain. He is clearly paving the way for his own exit, lest anyone assume he is being let go because he isn't worth it... Which is exactly why Branch and Samuel and Seymour and several others are no longer here. Because they convinced Bill Belichick they were not worth what they were getting paid or what they were demanding to be paid or what remained to be paid them vs. what someone else was offering.

1.) It's not different.

2.) Please supply the proof that this is "exactly why Branch and Samuel and Seymour and several others are no longer there." After all, Branch, Samuel and Seymour were pretty clearly worth some quality coin, as the seasons without them amply demonstrated.

Sad part is Seymour actually seems to get it on some level as his comments last month indicated. Said if he were starting his own team today he'd go after slightly less talented players to whom football matters who are hard nosed, effort guys. Said he thinks that's what we are now missing. LOL That was the foundation of Bill's system that Lawyer long ago convinced Richard was getting too much credit here that rightly belonged to talent...

Many people get it, because it's true in most sports. Up to a certain point, effort can overcome talent. Unfortunately, the system that the Patriots were running in the early part of the decade largely worked because other teams got themselves into salary hell and had to dump quality effort players on the market, and also because the Patriots were able to target players that fit the team. With the increase in the cap, those types of cuts became far less frequent, and the Patriots struggled finding fits among those who actually were cut.

There haven't been a whole lot of Vrabels and Harrisons around, and that's been a huge problem for the Patriots.