Carlos Dunlap

[SanAngeloState]

For a player who is always around the ball, Carlos Dunlap is remarkably unproductive when it comes to tackles and sacks.

Must be bad luck. Or something.

Exactly. Always around it but a second late to the tackle. If you look closely he doesn't really tackle anyone.

No go on this guy.

 

[patsfan55]

Possibly, but not definitely.

Right now, the only team that I can see taking Dunlap in the top 10 is Oakland, if Al Davis falls in love with his measurables. I think that is unlikely, but you never know with Crazy Al.

Jacksonville at 11 needs a DE. I think Derrick Morgan fits them best, but I expect him to be gone. I see Everson Griffen and Jason Pierre-Paul also being options.

Tennessee and 17, Atlanta at 19 and Houston at 20 could also go that route. That's certainly within tradeup range. We'll have to see between now and the draft how Dunlap works out and where his stock seems to be going.

The fact is, he's a top 5 talent who will likely go 15-25 because of some concerns about consistency and an isolated DUI. To have a shot at that type of talent at 22 would be an unusual opportunity. And BB has publicly said more than once that he would find it hard to turn down a big DE with that kind of size, speed and ability to play both the run and the pass. He thinks those are rare guys who should always get serious consideration.

Along the lines of you saying how he's a top 5 talent, I always found it funny how ppl were so confused as to why we've had so much trouble replacing Willie. Do people forget the guy was drafted with the 4th overall pick in the 94 draft? Guys that are 6'5" 270 lbs and run 4.6-4.7 40s don't just grow on trees.

 

[mayoclinic]

Along the lines of you saying how he's a top 5 talent, I always found it funny how ppl were so confused as to why we've had so much trouble replacing Willie. Do people forget the guy was drafted with the 4th overall pick in the 94 draft? Guys that are 6'5" 270 lbs and run 4.6-4.7 40s don't just grow on trees.

It reminds me a little bit of the old Grouch Marx joke about not wanting to be part of any club that would have him as a member. If Dunlap falls to us, then by definition there must be something wrong with him and we don't want him. If he goes higher, then it's more proof that we don't have the ammunition to get the kind of elite prospects who fit BB's over-demanding criteria.

Dunlap's the best Willie Mac clone in 15 years. Of course he's got some warts, or he'd be a top 5 pick. Of course he's got some developing to do. Willie Mac wasn't a finished product when he first came out, either. But in my book, if you have a chance to get someone like that, you get him.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Possibly, but not definitely.

Right now, the only team that I can see taking Dunlap in the top 10 is Oakland, if Al Davis falls in love with his measurables. I think that is unlikely, but you never know with Crazy Al.

If Crazy Al is in love with speed, wait until he sees the Clemson kids run. Spiller anchored the NCAA bronze medal 4 X 100 relay team and Ford is the 60 yard champion.

 

[SanAngeloState]

It reminds me a little bit of the old Grouch Marx joke about not wanting to be part of any club that would have him as a member. If Dunlap falls to us, then by definition there must be something wrong with him and we don't want him. If he goes higher, then it's more proof that we don't have the ammunition to get the kind of elite prospects who fit BB's over-demanding criteria.

Dunlap's the best Willie Mac clone in 15 years. Of course he's got some warts, or he'd be a top 5 pick. Of course he's got some developing to do. Willie Mac wasn't a finished product when he first came out, either. But in my book, if you have a chance to get someone like that, you get him.

He doesn't seem like a very hard nosed football player. Plays very soft and weak. Avoids making the tackle if there are others around him.

Willie Mac was a demon in college, wasn't he?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Dunlap's the best Willie Mac clone in 15 years. Of course he's got some warts, or he'd be a top 5 pick. Of course he's got some developing to do. Willie Mac wasn't a finished product when he first came out, either. But in my book, if you have a chance to get someone like that, you get him.

Without the DUI Dunlap is a bonafide top 5 talent.

And you are right, Parcells did a great job of developing Willie into a productive OLB for us. Remember to that Willie played DT some his senior season and while that negatively affected his stats, it really helped with courage and tackling.

 

[Kontradiction]

Remember it use to be dont draft florida recievers high.

Thats now changed to dont draft Florida passrushers.

Jarvis Moss and Derrick Harvey have been busts to this point.

But louis murphy and harvin have shown meyers system can produce nfl recievers.

Your statement makes zero sense. Neither Moss nor Harvey were recruited by Urban Meyer. As for Dunlap's character concerns, he's only had one and it was more of a dumb decision made by a young guy than a character concern. Those are absolutely overblown. His role as a team leader is up for debate and you guys can have fun with that one. I'm as big of a Gator fan as anybody on here. I have been since I've been watching college football and I don't even know how Dunlap is in the locker room. All I know is that our defense, which had kept us undefeated vs. an SEC schedule all year in spite of our offensive struggles, looked absolutely lost against Alabama without him in there. Personally, I would be hard pressed to blame on that on the prowess of McElroy and the Alabama offense.

 

[patsfan55]

It reminds me a little bit of the old Grouch Marx joke about not wanting to be part of any club that would have him as a member. If Dunlap falls to us, then by definition there must be something wrong with him and we don't want him. If he goes higher, then it's more proof that we don't have the ammunition to get the kind of elite prospects who fit BB's over-demanding criteria.

Dunlap's the best Willie Mac clone in 15 years. Of course he's got some warts, or he'd be a top 5 pick. Of course he's got some developing to do. Willie Mac wasn't a finished product when he first came out, either. But in my book, if you have a chance to get someone like that, you get him.

The fact that you (the guy I listen to most in regards to prospects) think he's a Willie clone, and the fact that when I was watching some of his tape I felt like I was watching Willie at times make me come to one conclusion. Carlos Dunlap welcome to binky territory!

(btw, in regards to my Willie eye, I'm pretty much his biggest fan ever, I mean I planned a trip to DC for the weekend that Willie and the Browns would be there just to be able to see him one last time in person)

 

[mayoclinic]

The fact that you (the guy I listen to most in regards to prospects) think he's a Willie clone, and the fact that when I was watching some of his tape I felt like I was watching Willie at times make me come to one conclusion. Carlos Dunlap welcome to binky territory!

(btw, in regards to my Willie eye, I'm pretty much his biggest fan ever, I mean I planned a trip to DC for the weekend that Willie and the Browns would be there just to be able to see him one last time in person)

I'm reserving judgment on Dunlap till the combine. He needs to check out in terms of Urban Meyer's appraisal and how he interviews, and he needs to show that he has the necessary quickness and lateral agility. I'd also like to see him weigh in closer to 270# than 290#. But if everything checks out then he's my #2 prospect for the Pats after Rolando McClain.

Brandon Graham is a terrific player, but that type of guy comes around fairly often. He's pretty close to what Larry English was last year, and LaMarr Woodley in 2007. Guys with Dunlap kind of potential are few and far between.

 

[patsfan55]

I'm reserving judgment on Dunlap till the combine. He needs to check out in terms of Urban Meyer's appraisal and how he interviews, and he needs to show that he has the necessary quickness and lateral agility. I'd also like to see him weigh in closer to 270# than 290#. But if everything checks out then he's my #2 prospect for the Pats after Rolando McClain.

Brandon Graham is a terrific player, but that type of guy comes around fairly often. He's pretty close to what Larry English was last year, and LaMarr Woodley in 2007. Guys with Dunlap kind of potential are few and far between.

The weight issue is definitely something I have had on my mind. When I look at him he looks as though he's closer to 270. Obviously we know in college they pad the height and weight to cater towards what position he is. I'll definitely be checking the combine for the measurables on him as well as how he looks in those drills they run for linebackers to see how fluid his hips look. On the strongside you don't need to be extremely agile, but you obviously can't be extremely stiff either. I like the Graham to English to Woodley comparison too. Still I felt a LOT stronger about Woodley coming out than I did either the other two. Woodley was a GREAT tackler in college.

 

[mgteich]

If everything checks out with McClain and Dunlop, they will be top 10 picks.

I'm reserving judgment on Dunlap till the combine. He needs to check out in terms of Urban Meyer's appraisal and how he interviews, and he needs to show that he has the necessary quickness and lateral agility. I'd also like to see him weigh in closer to 270# than 290#. But if everything checks out then he's my #2 prospect for the Pats after Rolando McClain.

Brandon Graham is a terrific player, but that type of guy comes around fairly often. He's pretty close to what Larry English was last year, and LaMarr Woodley in 2007. Guys with Dunlap kind of potential are few and far between.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Not aggressive, no sacks/poor tackling. No thanks. Looking at just his play, not his "measureables", he's a 4th round pick. No thanks.

Hopefully BB agrees. Potential is nice, but if you're heart isn't in playing football, what's the point of drafting them? Hopefully he learned his lesson from Bethel all world Johnson.

 

[alvinnf]

He looks like he would be a great SOLB in the 34. He looks like he reads the action and reacts well. Willie Mac 2.0.

 

[mayoclinic]

If everything checks out with McClain and Dunlop, they will be top 10 picks.

There's nothing I can see to "check out" with McClain. His ceiling will likely be limited by his position. Unless his timed speed is in the Patrick Willis range, I still think the 10-12 range is most likely.

Dunlap could check out for the Pats but not for other teams. I'm not sure anyone else would really look at him as a possible 3-4 OLB. At 270# he might be considered too light for a DE. Plus BB will likely get some info from Meyer that won't be generally available.

No sense worrying about where they'll go until after the combine.

 

[mgteich]

What's to check out on McClain? combine results.

There's nothing I can see to "check out" with McClain. His ceiling will likely be limited by his position. Unless his timed speed is in the Patrick Willis range, I still think the 10-12 range is most likely.

Dunlap could check out for the Pats but not for other teams. I'm not sure anyone else would really look at him as a possible 3-4 OLB. At 270# he might be considered too light for a DE. Plus BB will likely get some info from Meyer that won't be generally available.

No sense worrying about where they'll go until after the combine.

 

[SanAngeloState]

There was a guy last year named MICHAEL JOHNSON who was probably better than Dunlap, better pass rusher, same size. Great athlete, basketball player.

3rd round! If we didn't draft him, why would we draft this turkey?

 

[mayoclinic]

There was a guy last year named MICHAEL JOHNSON who was probably better than Dunlap, better pass rusher, same size. Great athlete, basketball player.

3rd round! If we didn't draft him, why would we draft this turkey?

Michael Johnson played very well for the Bengals this year. I would have loved to have had him on the Pats. But he's not better than Dunlap. He was lighter and thinner and was a major liability against the run. He was more similar to Jason Pierre-Paul in style than to Dunlap. And he was a steal at the top of the 3rd round.

 

[Charles Barwin]

"And he was a steal at the top of the 3rd round."

I hear ya. I was begging for a trade up in round 3.

Phenoms always get over-criticized when their dominance is less than 100%

In basketball, Rudy Gay got drafted behind Adam Morrison, Sheldon Williams, and Randy Foye because he didn't always dominate.

Clinic, what would you think about trading Wilfork, signing Peppers, drafting Dunlap, and switching to a 4-3?

 

[mayoclinic]

"And he was a steal at the top of the 3rd round."

I hear ya. I was begging for a trade up in round 3.

Phenoms always get over-criticized when their dominance is less than 100%

In basketball, Rudy Gay got drafted behind Adam Morrison, Sheldon Williams, and Randy Foye because he didn't always dominate.

Clinic, what would you think about trading Wilfork, signing Peppers, drafting Dunlap, and switching to a 4-3?

I was very impressed earlier this season with Cincinnati's swarming front 7 when they were playing well against Baltimore and Pittsburgh. I thought Johnson looked particularly good and got a lot of pressure up front, and wished at that time that we had taken a shot at him.

One of the things I like about getting big, versatile DE's like Dunlap and Austen Lane is that I think that we would use them in a 4-3 or a 4-2-5 right away while they learn the nuances of the 3-4 OLB position. I don't particularly see what the benefit would be to trading Wilfork and signing Peppers in that scenario. But I could see playing a "big" 4 man DL with Wilfork and Warren inside and Dunlap and Lane outside.

 

[Charles Barwin]

An overhaul of some sort is certainly needed. If we keep Wilfork, we still need 3 starting linebackers and a 3-4 end.

Two front 7 players are an absolute must, and 3 would be more like it.

I know Wilfork has been very durable and a good Patriot, but I wouldn't be surprised if an injury burdens his career sometime after signing a huge contract with us.

I really don't see him signing a contract that isn't huge, because his wife is tough as nails and hails from Florida.