Damien Woody: "The 2009 Jets have more talent than the 2001 Patriots"

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Woody is dead to me ....

Might want to check with your doctor...there is Viagra you know

 

[IcyPatriot]

Might want to check with your doctor...there is Viagra you know

I know a guy that is on Viagra so he doesn't piss on his shoes.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I know a guy that is on Viagra so he doesn't piss on his shoes.

Wow,Thats hard....errrr I mean sad

 

[spacecrime]

That's a fairly accurate statement...

Have to agree. THe 2001 Pat were not a talent laden team at any offensive position, and few defensive positions.

 

[Mr. Pollard]

Yeah but they don't have Matt Walsh.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Have to agree. THe 2001 Pat were not a talent laden team at any offensive position, and few defensive positions.

Brady and Brown were pro-bowlers. Woody was solid. Patten had 51 catches. A Smith was a 1100 yd rusher w/ 12 TDs. Faulk was emerging.

You don't win SBs by having horse-poop offenses.

 

[sanvara]

Individual talent doesn't necessarily win out. It's a team game. A team like the Chargers doesn't have a single player on Sporting News' all-pro team (voted on by the players I think) yet many people feel they will win the Superbowl despite apparently not having a single player on their roster who is the best at his position.

 

[emoney_33]

Brady and Brown were pro-bowlers. Woody was solid. Patten had 51 catches. A Smith was a 1100 yd rusher w/ 12 TDs. Faulk was emerging.

You don't win SBs by having horse-poop offenses.

Yea 6th in points, albeit 19th in yards.

Let's also not kid ourselves into thinking the end result was due to the team definitely being the best in the NFL that year. The tuck rule, as much of a correct call as it is, is inches/miliseconds away from knocking us out of the playoffs. 2001 team was good, but people continue to underestimate outside factors when talking about championships.

 

[ausbacker]

Yea 6th in points, albeit 19th in yards.

Let's also not kid ourselves into thinking the end result was due to the team definitely being the best in the NFL that year. The tuck rule, as much of a correct call as it is, is inches/miliseconds away from knocking us out of the playoffs. 2001 team was good, but people continue to underestimate outside factors when talking about championships.

And if you take away the immaculate drive, Eli escaping a sack, Tyree Cirque du Soleiling a catch on his helmet and the bungled time keeping by the officials the Giants almost didn't win Superbowl 42.

The final result is all that matters. There are always defining moments for or against a side. No amount of commentary is going to convince me otherwise.

 

[pats1]

Just a point of comparison, the 2004 Patriots:

QB - Tom Brady, Rohan Davey, Jim Miller
RB - Corey Dillon, Kevin Faulk, Patrick Pass, Rabih Abdullah, Cedric Cobbs
WR - Deion Branch, David Givens, David Patten, Troy Brown, Bethel Johnson, Kevin Kasper
TE - Daniel Graham, Christian Fauria, (Ben Watson), Jed Weaver
OL - Joe Andruzzi, Dan Koppen, Matt Light, Stephen Neal, Brandon Groin, (Tom Ashworth), Russ Hochstein, Billy Yates, Gene Mruczkowski

DL - Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Keith Traylor, Vince Wilfork, Jarvis Green, Marquise Hill, (Dan Klecko), Ethan Kelley
LB - Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinest, Roman Phifer, Rosevelt Colvin, Ted Johnson, Matt Chatham, Tully Banta-Cain, Larry Izzo, Don Davis, (Eric Alexander)
DBs - Rodney Harrison, Eugene Wilson, (Ty Law), (Tyrone Poole), Asante Samuel, Randall Gay, Je'Rod Cherry, Dexter Reid, Hank Poteat, Earthwind Moreland, Gus Scott

ST - Adam Vinatieri, Josh Miller, Lonie Paxton, Bethel Johnson, Troy Brown

The 2007 Patriots:

QB - Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, Matt Gutierrez
RB - Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk, (Sammy Morris), Heath Evans, Kyle Eckel
WR - Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney, Donte' Stallworth, Kelley Washington, Troy Brown, Chad Jackson
TE - Ben Watson, Kyle Brady, (David Thomas), Stephen Spach
OL - Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Dan Koppen, Stephen Neal, Nick Kaczur, Russ Hochstein, Ryan O'Callaghan, Wesley Britt, Billy Yates

DL - Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, (Mike Wright), Le Kevin Smith, Rashad Moore, Santonio Thomas
LB - Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Adalius Thomas, (Rosevelt Colvin), Junior Seau, Pierre Woods, Eric Alexander, Larry Izzo
DBs - Asante Samuel, Rodney Harrison, James Sanders, Ellis Hobbs, Brandon Meriweather, Randall Gay, Eugene Wilson, (Chad Scott), (Mel Mitchell), Willie Andrews, Ray Ventrone, Antwain Spann

ST - Stephen Gostkowski, Chris Hanson, Lonie Paxton, Ellis Hobbs, Wes Welker

The 2004 Jets (missed FG away from AFCC):

QB - Chad Pennington, Quincy Carter, Brooks Bollinger
RB - Curtis Martin, LaMont Jordan, Jerald Sowell, B.J. Askew
WR - Santana Moss, Justin McCareins, Wayne Chrebet, Jerricho Cotchery, Jonathan Carter
TE - Anthony Becht, Chris Baker
OL - Kevin Mawae, Jason Fabini, Kareem McKenzie, Pete Kendall, Brandon Moore, Jonathan Goodwin, Dave Yovanovits

DL - Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Jason Ferguson, Dewayne Robertson, Bryan Thomas, James Reed, Alan Harper, Trevor Johnson
LB - Jonathan Vilma, Eric Barton, Victor Hobson, Sam Cowart, Jason Glenn, Darrell McClover
DB - Donnie Abraham, David Barrett, Reggie Tongue, Erik Coleman, Terrell Buckley, Derrick Strait, Derek Pagel, Jon McGraw

K - Doug Brien, Toby Gowin, James Dearth, Jonathan Carter, Santa Moss

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yea 6th in points, albeit 19th in yards.

Let's also not kid ourselves into thinking the end result was due to the team definitely being the best in the NFL that year.

Not kidding anyone. They were. In hindsight, that was a very talented team with a core of great players.

The tuck rule, as much of a correct call as it is, is inches/miliseconds away from knocking us out of the playoffs. 2001 team was good, but people continue to underestimate outside factors when talking about championships.

Doesn't matter how much you win by, as long as you win.

 

[Deus Irae]

Doesn't matter how much you win by, as long as you win.

Indeed.... See New York Giants, 2007 Super Bowl.

 

[emoney_33]

Not kidding anyone. They were. In hindsight, that was a very talented team with a core of great players.

I'm not saying they weren't, but similar to 2007, the end result doesn't prove that they were clearly the best team in 2001. Hey, don't get me wrong I'll never trade 2001 for anything. I still remember bursting out into the streets with our patriots jerseys flying with everyone just going wild. The stress leading up to the kick, and the kick... and everything, man it was just a perfect turn of events

Doesn't matter how much you win by, as long as you win.

That is what matters true, it's not the be-all end-all judge of objective analysis though. But anyway, I'm not putting any more negative thoughts into my brain or this thread with regards to 2001. 2001 patriots were the best team to ever play football!

 

[BradyFTW!]

Yeah but they don't have Matt Walsh.

can someone remind me again why this guy hasn't been banned?

 

[RayClay]

That's a fairly accurate statement...

I agree, talent is overrated. Getting the right players performing roles and doing their jobs effectively as a team is what counts.

If the jobs are done by 6th round picks, and out of favor players vets like Phifer and Antowain, so much the better. More money to build with. Brady was kept on a short leash that season, making very safe passes for the most part.

Wouldn't mind seeing a little more of that, to tell you the truth.

We managed to have a lot of players not do their jobs and some coaches not know what they were trying to accomplish this year with quite a few big bucks or high draft pick "talent".

 

[RayClay]

I'm not saying they weren't, but similar to 2007, the end result doesn't prove that they were clearly the best team in 2001. Hey, don't get me wrong I'll never trade 2001 for anything. I still remember bursting out into the streets with our patriots jerseys flying with everyone just going wild. The stress leading up to the kick, and the kick... and everything, man it was just a perfect turn of events



That is what matters true, it's not the be-all end-all judge of objective analysis though. But anyway, I'm not putting any more negative thoughts into my brain or this thread with regards to 2001. 2001 patriots were the best team to ever play football!

They beat the Raiders, Steelers and Rams. How else do you decide the best team?

 

[emoney_33]

I agree, talent is overrated. Getting the right players performing roles and doing their jobs effectively as a team is what counts.

If the jobs are done by 6th round picks, and out of favor players vets like Phifer and Antowain, so much the better. More money to build with. Brady was kept on a short leash that season, making very safe passes for the most part.

Wouldn't mind seeing a little more of that, to tell you the truth.

We managed to have a lot of players not do their jobs and some coaches not know what they were trying to accomplish this year with quite a few big bucks or high dtaft pick "talent".

But he still threw 12 INT in 14 games, compared to 13 this year.

 

[emoney_33]

They beat the Raiders, Steelers and Rams. How else do you decide the best team?

The tournament is not exactly "deciding the best team", it's letting the teams who earned a right to compete in the tournament battle it out to determine a champion. A "champion" doesn't equate to "best". Of course the entire debate about analyzing who was the "best" in the regular season and/or playoffs is really meaningless, and we all know the pinnacle of all competition is championship. I'm just saying that just because a team won in a given year doesn't make that team likely to win in other years or other circumstances.

 

[wilfork is beastin']

You don't win SBs by having horse-poop offenses.

tell that to Ravens fans.

 

[RayClay]

But he still threw 12 INT in 14 games, compared to 13 this year.

It's all statistics with you, isn't it? I believe he threw 4 against the Broncos. Plus he had two receivers, basically. Amateur tight ends and not much receiving out of the backfield.

I'd say he was pretty efficient given what he had to work with.