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Peyton is one of the greats. There is no denying that. Both him and Brady will be among the 5 best quarterbacks to have ever played the game when they retire, if they aren't already (which I think they are).

I just think the "he always finds a way to win even though he has never had much to work with" argument not very suitable for Manning's case. He's always had a plethora of offensive talent around him and the time he got over the hump he was aided by a great performance by his defense. Manning played exactly one GREAT half that postseason (against the Patriots), but the rest of the time he was mediocre, including his MVP winning performance in the SuperBowl.

He has won alot because he is tremendously talented, hard working and intelligent. But saying he is the greatest of all time because he wins consistently without much talent around him is just false, especially when you consider a contemporary QB (Brady) has won more than Manning while having less to work with.


I think Manning would be great regardless of who his "weapons" are. That's what great QB's do.....they make those around them better.

Take this year for instance. He's having arguably his best season despite having a 4th rd. rookie white mormon and 6th round division 3 all-star as his #2 and #3 WR's.
 
I left one thing out in my comments. The Colts have been leaving a ton of redzone points on the field. They have been pretty good in the redzone in the past, but they have been settling for field goals the last couple weeks. If they do that on Sunday night, it will be really, really hard to win. Unless we kick like 60 field goals, then we should be able to win pretty easily.
 
The Colts have been leaving a ton of redzone points on the field.

+1

very uncharacteristic of the Colts offense. Between the 20's, we move the ball with ease. Once we get into the RZ, our inability to run the ball has really hurt our TD % in the RZ.
 
Good Luck Pats fans. This is always a fun game to watch.

As for the minority of Pats posters who claim luck, refs, etc. Sure that's all it is luck and refs. Keep thinking that.

Sounds like excuse making for a loss, to me.

Pats have a very good chance to win this game, don't sell your team short like that by making excuses before the games even played.

The Pats are good, very good, but not dominant like in years past, so we'll see.

The Colts haven't been dominate either in 5 of the 8 games. It will be nice to play some really good teams in this stretch of the schedule to see where the Colts stack up.

This should be one of the better games of the season.

One question, does Brady seem all the way back, yet? I honestly am asking this. If not, how far away does he seem?
 
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excuses? you want excuses try about eight years worth of YOUR fans making excuses about Colt losses to the Pats...freakin' troll
 
excuses? you want excuses try about eight years worth of YOUR fans making excuses about Colt losses to the Pats...freakin' troll

Atleast we make our excuse postgame instead of a week leading up to the game.
 
I left one thing out in my comments. The Colts have been leaving a ton of redzone points on the field. They have been pretty good in the redzone in the past, but they have been settling for field goals the last couple weeks. If they do that on Sunday night, it will be really, really hard to win. Unless we kick like 60 field goals, then we should be able to win pretty easily.

As have we, we should have beat Miami by 20 yesterday and it was a big problem against the Jets leading to that loss. These 2 teams usually bring the best out of each other, I cant wait till Sunday
 
Relax Guys!

I doubt even if GOD knows who will win on sunday night

Pats vs Colts is always a GREAT game. When they play records, stats, strength of schedule should be thrown out. It always comes to 1 or 2 plays on the given day.

At this point I would call it "Anyone's game".

Both teams give their best when they play each other in recent years. This is more than division rivalary

Also whoever loses this game is still probably going to win their division & make the playoffs. The real game is when these two meet in playoffs. So reserve your smack (both team fans) for that
 
excuses? you want excuses try about eight years worth of YOUR fans making excuses about Colt losses to the Pats...freakin' troll

Just an observation, I guess you subscribe to the luck and cheating officials theory. Thanks for making my point. Try to have more faith in your team, they are really good. Me, I tend to never make excuses, especially preemtive excuses....freakin' unbeliever in your team.

I think whoever cries about the refs and claim luck are weak, regardless of the fan or the team. Even moreso, six days BEFORE the game.

Come on, man, you're better than that.
 
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I don't see what's so confusing

the offense ran about 60 plays this week, the defense defended nearly 70, the special teams in total played about 15, and you are confused as to why offense or defense is more important than special teams?

here's another one: the RG and QB are each 1/11th of the starting offense. would you say that they are equally as valuable?
 
Relax Guys!

I doubt even if GOD knows who will win on sunday night

Pats vs Colts is always a GREAT game. When they play records, stats, strength of schedule should be thrown out. It always comes to 1 or 2 plays on the given day.

At this point I would call it "Anyone's game".

Both teams give their best when they play each other in recent years. This is more than division rivalary

Also whoever loses this game is still probably going to win their division & make the playoffs. The real game is when these two meet in playoffs. So reserve your smack (both team fans) for that

Shaddup!















Just kidding


This week is always fun. Though the banter is much better when isn't not limited to the "you suck" and "you cheat" and crap like that and people talk about the play on the field and how the teams are doing. Smack is much better when there is something to back it up and not just the smack.
 
Didn't read every post as I expected a pissing match for most of them, so maybe this was said...

I think Indy's close win yesterday was a combination of looking ahead to the Pats and that the flaws/injuries are catching up to them. Still, they are 8-0 and at home for both teams' biggest game of the year. I cannot disrespect post-2004 Peyton and the home crowd advantage in Indy.

Still, I figure that this Colts D wasn't all that stout to begin with and now has some major holes with the injuries. This Pats team is built to put points against this D, especially if the running game opens up play-action. The key is on the other side of the ball. The Pats don't bring the heat all that well and without pressure, Peyton eats up pretty much any coverage. I'm looking forward to the Clark/McGowan matchup as McGowan shut down Tony Gonzalez. I bet Bodden plays Wayne tight. If Butler plays a lot, expect Peyton to test him repeatedly as he's known to pick on rookies.

This Pats secondary is its best one since 2003 and I think is up to the task of keeping the Colts from lighting up the scoreboard. I don't think the Colts keep the Pats from doing likewise.

Regards,
Chris
 
I don't see what's so confusing

the offense ran about 60 plays this week, the defense defended nearly 70, the special teams in total played about 15, and you are confused as to why offense or defense is more important than special teams?

here's another one: the RG and QB are each 1/11th of the starting offense. would you say that they are equally as valuable?

You simplify it too much. If your offense is constantly starting past the 30 instead of around the 20, that's a big boost. If you get a score out of your return game, that's a huge lift. Any component to your team by it's self is not enough to beat good teams. But adding good special teams to a good team can decide the game.

To your player analogy. The LG and the QB are both 1/11th. Put a swinging gate at LT and it won't matter who your QB is that game. Many will tell you that you can't win without good lines, QBs are icing and glamour. Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring.
 
Schedule is only weak if you have a good team? So of the Buffalo Bills' schedule this year consisted of the Bucs, Rams, Lions, Titans, Browns, Raiders, and Chiefs; their schedule would be hard because they are a bad team?

And the cheating crap has to go. Many teams have accused the Colts of underhanded cheating. Many teams in this league and not been caught and/or punished. The Pats aren't the only ones who have broken rules in this league.


Exactly. If i put a pit bull up against a poodle, lets be real, there is a very small chance the poodle will win...I'm not saying no chance, but small chance. The pit bull is only likely to win based mainly on size and strength. IE teams like the colts, pats, steelers, vikings scheuldes are weak IF they play horrible or opponents whos skills are not equally matched. Because if i take the same poodle and put it agianst another poodle, then based on size and strength each now has about a 50/50 chance to beat up the other. So the bills schedule you made up. Come on I know the bills almost beat the pats but really, This team is pretty bad, they are one of the reasons the colts schedule is deemed "weak". The schedule you suggested for the bills would be a hard schedule because those opponents are about equally matched for the bills ie poodle vs poodle. I would hope you would see the same if your pats played your suggested bills schedule. UNEVENLY MATACHED because your team is very good coupled with the opponents being veryyyy bad.


Didn't I comment about one persons comment about the colts piping in crowd noise? So I was simply saying that "hey don't be the pot calling the kettle black"...all teams do it..pretty sure that was my comment
 
Can I just put something out here? Both teams had better play a lot better than each did this past weekend in order to win. Both of our games were really sloppy.

For those Colts fans that watched the Miami game this past weekend, are you at all worried about our secondary's physicality/the health of your wide receivers?
 
that's exactly my point. they played a good houston team and almost lost to them at HOME. moats fumbled on the 5 yard line into the end zone which cost the texans. if they scored on that drive they would have won. it was a careless play by moats for tiki barbering the ball.

Do you think the players care what you write? If this, if that. Get a life and stop trying convince everyone that the patriots are going to kill the colts. So what if they do? Does it validate you as a person? No, it doesn't. You'll still be the same old jerk you were before. Or maybe you don't have a life, and the only thing you have to hold on to is a patriots victory.
 
As far as on the field.

I'm concerned about Bellichick, mainly. He's the best game planner in the game. He always has something clever for the Colts. I'd guess he'll do something like play a dime package or something strange as a base defense. As for offense, I wonder if he'll dink and dunk or try a power running game. Either could be crazy effective.

To me, the chess game is the main thing to watch.

Things you have to do against the Colts.

Double team Freeny half the time and chip him at least 100% of the time.

Cover Dallas with a Safety at least. Not a linebacker, he's too quick, not a corner, he's too big.

Dare the Colts to run it, I mean you can basically stop them with 6- 4 down lineman and 2 backers or 3 down lineman and 3 backers (with one rushing)

Rotate a safety over the top on Reggie Waynes side. You have to do this so you can close play man to man for the medium out pattern and still have a safety to help deep.

Disguise everything-Peyton is too smart, you have to not show your hand. San Fran did this by having zero linemen down in a 3 point stance. It was very effective for awhile.

Don't try to be cute or be too smart for the room. You can't have trick plays the blow up in your face or do something outside your nature because you feel you can't win, normally. Tennesee does this all the time v. the Colts.

Run draw plays and misdirection plays. The Colts will over pursue often. Their strength is speed, but this works against them when you getting them going the wrong way.

The trick with this new Colts Defense under Coyer is they aren't as predictable, they aren't as bend and don't breakish.

If the game gets to where the Pats have to pass and pass only, it's over. This team is too good and will make a play once a team is predictable. It's how they were built. Coyer will throw in a blitz too, something different they haven't done in years past.

If Peyton gets a rhythm it's over, you have to make him uncomfortable and disrupt his game. He's too good once he gets on a run, that he can win a game. Similar to Brady in this.

The D line against the run isn't nearly as weak as it's been in the past.

The offensive run game is actually horrible. Wilfork might be able to control the interior line all by himself.

There you go, things to look for with the Colts.

Player losses this year.

Bob Sanders-year
Marlin Jackson-year
Tyjuan Hagler-year
Ed Johnson-cut/year

Anthony Gonzalez-still out-7 games
Donald Brown-out-still out?
Kelvin Hayden-out multiple games, still out?
Adam Venitari-multiple games still out

Lost starting job
Tony Ugoh
Mike Pollack

Not making excuses, just making mention of players you won't and might not see on Sunday, if you're keeping score at home.
 
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You simplify it too much. If your offense is constantly starting past the 30 instead of around the 20, that's a big boost. If you get a score out of your return game, that's a huge lift. Any component to your team by it's self is not enough to beat good teams. But adding good special teams to a good team can decide the game..

I agree with all this. Special Teams are important and they matter. They just aren't as important as your Offensive or Defensive Units.


To your player analogy. The LG and the QB are both 1/11th. Put a swinging gate at LT and it won't matter who your QB is that game. Many will tell you that you can't win without good lines, QBs are icing and glamour. Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring.

this is just wrong. you can't find an intelligent NFL observer who will tell you that a RG is as important to your offense as QB. some positions matter more than others, and this is well reflected in the paychecks that QB's receive vs RG's. QB's don't make the big bucks b/c they are good looking, they make it b/c they are more valuable
 
Can I just put something out here? Both teams had better play a lot better than each did this past weekend in order to win. Both of our games were really sloppy.

For those Colts fans that watched the Miami game this past weekend, are you at all worried about our secondary's physicality/the health of your wide receivers?





The WILDCAT gives me FITS. The Colt's sloppiness vs. a pass heavy/solid Texan offense says more about the COLTS as a unit than the PATS who had to guess against MIAMI's wildcat.


that damn wild cat is frustrating and you cannot use this as a sample. Miami's offense can do so much w/ the that formation and is unpredictable....


PS- Kon.... You are starting to sound like me regarding the physical aspect of the SECONDARY
 
I think both teams will move the ball between the 20's with considerable ease. Which team is better converting those red zone visits into 7's should be the victor.
 
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