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Every time I hear him explain why his team lost in post game interviews, I ask myself " How and why is he still a head coach?" Even though I was wrong the first time, I will predict it again, Mangini will never be a head coach in the NFL again.
 
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Had anyone else ever heard that about Mangenius' being demoted in his last season with the Pats? If so, it explains his animosity towards Belichick, but even moreso makes Tannenbaum look like a complete idiot. It also makes sense because the Jets poached Mangini from the Pats, so they sure wouldn't have been checking his references with Belichick.

So, it turns out that Belichick sent damaged goods to the Jets. He was still ticked I guess that he had gone to a Division Rival, but this is an interesting twist on the story, if it is true.

My favorite line, in reference to the Rat's appearance on the Soprano's: "I'd rather have Uncle Junior coaching the team than Mangini."
 
I worked with a guy that was good enough at his job, but he was obsessed with climbing up the ladder. He did no realize he was best suited as a role player. He spent a great deal of time ***** kissing and agonizoing about getting to the lext level...that's my impression of Mangina...all ambition with limited ability and not enough awareness to accept a lesser role and get good at what you do.
 
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Had anyone else ever heard that about Mangenius' being demoted in his last season with the Pats? If so, it explains his animosity towards Belichick, but even moreso makes Tannenbaum look like a complete idiot. It also makes sense because the Jets poached Mangini from the Pats, so they sure wouldn't have been checking his references with Belichick.

So, it turns out that Belichick sent damaged goods to the Jets. He was still ticked I guess that he had gone to a Division Rival, but this is an interesting twist on the story, if it is true.

My favorite line, in reference to the Rat's appearance on the Soprano's: "I'd rather have Uncle Junior coaching the team than Mangini."

I remember BB taking away gameplanning, but Mangini still made the in-game calls.
 
The Browns got what they asked for, I feel sorry for the fans who continue to suffer. Mangini has continually been rewarded for failure but I think it's time that stopped.
 
I retract my feeling sorry for comment, once I read this comment someone left bellow the article...
Why do people bash Mangini? I've been a Browns fan for a very long time. This team has had poop for coaches since its rebirth in 1999. I believe Mangini is the first great hire as he is a football mastermind and has a definitive plan for transforming the Browns into a winner. Why do we all care so much that he is losing so many games this year when he is clearly building his foundation for the future! I sincerely hope that Mangini is given the 4 years needed to truly rebuild the Browns into the successful team that is once was.
 
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I remember BB taking away gameplanning, but Mangini still made the in-game calls.

Not true as the visible first sign of discord was down the stretch when Bill started wearing the red hoody and signaling in defenses... On this team the at least prior to the in game communications systems being installed the DC always wore red on the sidelines so guys on the field could locate him quickly.

It was also hinted if not reported that the core vets on defense, particularly the LB's, didn't have a whole lot of use for/rapore with mangenius. Thought he was way too full of himself.

Holley, who became socially friendly with Mangini and now tends to bristle at the criticism of a guy who had a reporter coaching at his summer camps..., wrote in Patriots Reign that Mangini and Bill had a different relationship than Pioli. Routinely got into passionate screaming matches and fought like girls over defensive concepts although they seemed able to get past it once Bill made a decision. I think once Eric became DC he expected to win those arguments. And I think that is the crux of why he left. Ego.

Bill demands discipline and attention to detail and in game execution and adherence to scheme from his players and staff. But he also listens to their ideas and observations and if they make a valid point he acts on it. Eric is a my way or the highway guy. And where Bill is restrained and protective of information, he is also that way with his players. Eric isn't. It's like he's trying to take a page out of Tuna's book on button pushing and he doesn't have a clue where they are.

I thought the funniest thing in this article was the fact that he fought to keep the babysitter employed...LOL
 
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Not true as the visible first sign of discord was down the stretch when Bill started wearing the red hoody and signaling in defenses... On this team the at least prior to the in game communications systems being installed the DC always wore red on the sidelines so guys on the field could locate him quickly.

It was also hinted if not reported that the core vets on defense, particularly the LB's, didn't have a whole lot of use for/rapore with mangenius. Thought he was way too full of himself.

Holley, who became socially friendly with Mangini and now tends to bristle at the criticism of a guy who had a reporter coaching at his summer camps..., wrote in Patriots Reign that Mangini and Bill had a different relationship than Pioli. Routinely got into passionate screaming matches and fought like girls over defensive concepts although they seemed able to get past it once Bill made a decision. I think once Eric became DC he expected to win those arguments. And I think that is the crux of why he left. Ego.

Bill demands discipline and attention to detail and in game execution and adherence to scheme from his players and staff. But he also listens to their ideas and observations and if they make a valid point he acts on it. Eric is a my way or the highway guy. And where Bill is restrained and protective of information, he is also that way with his players. Eric isn't. It's like he's trying to take a page out of Tuna's book on button pushing and he doesn't have a clue where they are.

I thought the funniest thing in this article was the fact that he fought to keep the babysitter employed...LOL

Perhaps during the season Mo, but in the Pats/JAX 2006 playoff game, Mangini is seen wearing red. Maybe BB gave him one final opportunity to "visually" set him up for sucess as he knew he was leaving the team. I do remember BB being downright jovial that Mangini called a play that led to a Samuel INT. BB gave direct credit to Mangini for making the call.

McDaniels seems to have a bit of a temper himself. I don't put a lot of stock into shouting matches between coaches. It happens. Perhaps Pioli is a little more emtionally restrained than the other coaches. Who knows.
 
I remember the defense in 2005 changing overnight (actually changing over a halftime in KC). Obviously something changed in the lockerroom at halftime against the Chiefs and it looks that was the point where Belichick stripped Mangini of his playcalling duties.

I have always maintained that with a healthy Chad Pennington like Mangini had in 2006, Herm Edwards would have gotten the Jets to 10 wins or more. I think Jets fans were duped into the fact that having a healthy starting QB wasn't a big deal from their bad fortunes in 2005 where both Pennington and Jay Feeley were knocked out for the season.
 
Like Fredo, he took advantage of his connection to the family, without once thinking that his entitlement came with responsibilities.

Fredo never thought that he had to pay his dues, and neither does Mangina.

Like all rats, he'll drown when the ship sinks.
 
If Mangini is out as HC in Cleveland after the season, maybe next season he can become the next head coach in Oakland.
 
Diner morning news: Kokinis never had a chance | National Football Post

great article, interesting to hear that mangini was relieved of his dc duties during the 2005 season.


From the article,"
. >>>>A recommendation by Mangini that Kokinis be his general manager and that Erin O’Brien be employed somewhere in the organization — after everyone at the Jets warned the Browns not to allow Mangini to make that move. O’Brien is the Manginis’ former babysitter and a friend of his wife Julie. Both Kokinis and O’Brien are now gone....>>>>>>

Yeah, those are qualifications if I ever heard them........
 
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Well tell me how you really feel? Man that is a brutal indictment of who and what Mangini is. Man, what a read. Poor, poor browns.
 
From the article,"
. >>>>A recommendation by Mangini that Kokinis be his general manager and that Erin O’Brien be employed somewhere in the organization — after everyone at the Jets warned the Browns not to allow Mangini to make that move. O’Brien is the Manginis’ former babysitter and a friend of his wife Julie. Both Kokinis and O’Brien are now gone....>>>>>>

Yeah, those are qualifications if I ever heard them........

LOL! Too funny. When I was a kid, I was Danny Ainge's paperboy. I feel I got screwed now.
 
If you're not fond of Eric Mangini you'll love this article!

An instant classic

Diner morning news: Kokinis never had a chance | National Football Post

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I feel badly for George Kokinis, who is out as general manager of the Browns. Moving to Cleveland proved to be a great financial move for him, but a poor professional one in aligning himself with Eric “The Secret” Mangini.


My fundamental question is: How did Mangini convince Lerner, based on his tapestry of work while at the New York Jets, that he was the right man for the job? Was it that cameo on “The Sopranos” that made him so alluring?

Look, I’m all for the Sopranos, but I’d rather have Uncle Junior coaching the team than Mangini.

Lerner has had six months to watch the decisions and recommendations of “The Secret,” and here’s what he’s seen:

1. A collection of former Jets players who are marginal starters for the team and probably will not be a part of the eventual rebuilding.

2. A poor evaluation of his own quarterback situation, to the point where the team held the fifth pick in the draft and gave the Jets a quarterback who might have saved their franchise. When you pick high, you have a chance to repair your team at the most critical positions.

3. A recommendation by Mangini that Kokinis be his general manager and that Erin O’Brien be employed somewhere in the organization — after everyone at the Jets warned the Browns not to allow Mangini to make that move. O’Brien is the Manginis’ former babysitter and a friend of his wife Julie. Both Kokinis and O’Brien are now gone.

4. A coach who has demonstrated no ability to communicate with the fans to let them know there’s actually a plan in place to repair this sacred franchise. He’s the team spokesman, but the problem is that he doesn’t speak.

5. An offense so abysmal that it shows no hope of ever scoring.

Is this enough to make you want to be patient?
 
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Re: If you're not fond of Eric Mangini you'll Love this article!

I thought this was the most interesting part:

"The Patriots under Mangini in 2005 gave up too many big plays down the field and were so poorly synchronized that head coach Bill Belichick was forced to take over the defense in mid-stream. Every time Mangini was given more responsibility in New England, he was not successful. Conversely, every time Josh McDaniels’ role was increased, he kept getting more and more successful. However, in spite of Mangini’s bad year, he was rewarded with a head coaching job based on Tannenbaum’s recommendation."

To the untrained eye it looked like Mangini had a pretty bad year as D-Coordinator before he left to become HC of the NYJ. My most lasting image was of BB yelling at him for some bad coverage the Pats were in (actually could have been the year before).

I don't recall BB ever yelling at a coach like he did that time. Anyone else remember that?
 
Re: If you're not fond of Eric Mangini you'll Love this article!

If Lerner cares about that team in any form or fashion, Mangini will be gone by the end of this season. I saw a stat the other day that made my jaw drop: that the Saints defense has scored more touchdowns than the Browns offense.
 
Re: If you're not fond of Eric Mangini you'll Love this article!

Does anybody else think if Mangini doesn't get his you-know-what together, it may be a long time before he sees another pro head coach position?
 
Re: If you're not fond of Eric Mangini you'll Love this article!

Again alot of Mangini 's fault should be blamed on tanenbum, since he hired him for the jets, because of his hatred for the pats... But Mangini is not doing himself any favors either... He will end up in college somewhere after this year, Mangini will not be back next year, its still a miracle that he got a second job so quickly..
 
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