Still Think Maroney, Pees have to go?

[BradyFTW!]

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I am surprised that Maroney supporters so regularly reference the Titans game. For starters, between the Titans starter and the Patriots two main backs, Maroney had the lowest YPG out of the 3.

Is this going to be like last pre-season when people here were predicting that Dave Thomas was going to go for 80 and 800 and CJack was going for 1000. Or when Richardson was going to be lined up side by side with Hobbs for the next 3 years.

Admittedly, exaggeration goes both ways. People overstate how bad players are but supporters also overstate how good players are.

Lets be tempered here on Maroney. Can someone project how many carries he would have gotten if Fred Taylor and/or Sammy Morris had played? I'll say he'd still be the 3rd option and he'd have 4 carries.

Over the last 2 games? At the very least, he'd have BJGE's 14 carries. Probably more, since unlike BJGE he's actually good.

 

[fnordcircle]

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I've never been a Maroney hater, cause I generally hope that the players on our team will do well rather than hope that they fail just to prove that I was right.

But I'm still not a fan of Maroney and 2 decent performances when the passing game was in sync isn't enough to erase my concerns about him.

I hope he proves me wrong but 3 seasons of disappointing or injured play doesn't fill me with a lot of hope.

As far as Pees goes, I've always felt like it was going to take time to change our defense from wise and slow to fast and young and that there would be bumps in the way. There still will be bumps along the way.

 

[JSn]

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I think they sent Pees to the press box with a rubber walkie-talkie and Bill called the defense...

 

[Boots Electric]

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I've never been a Maroney hater, cause I generally hope that the players on our team will do well rather than hope that they fail just to prove that I was right.

But I'm still not a fan of Maroney and 2 decent performances when the passing game was in sync isn't enough to erase my concerns about him.

I hope he proves me wrong but 3 seasons of disappointing or injured play doesn't fill me with a lot of hope.

As far as Pees goes, I've always felt like it was going to take time to change our defense from wise and slow to fast and young and that there would be bumps in the way. There still will be bumps along the way.

3 seasons of disappointment? Just looking at his numbers from his rookie and 2nd season in the NFL, he has been anything but.

2006: 1815 all purpose yards, 7 TDs in 17 games played.

2007: 1292 rushing and receiving yards combined in 16 games played. 9 TDs that season.

Even more telling was the fact that in 3 games he ran for 280 yards and 3 TDs in that years playoffs.

People can't say he's disappointed because in fact, he has played great for most of his career. His problem has been injury.

 

[cartmen]

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You cannot be serious about McPhony. 1 yard and a cloud of flatulence.

His 5.5 YAC is skewed by the snow game. On grass he goes backwards. If NE played at the North Pole LKM would break the NFL rushing record and be the best known dancer of all time.

I love how people say take out this stat and take out that game to make their argument. But when someone else does it they say "oh you cant do that!" The fact is he ran very well the last 2 weeks big game or not he has played far better than the previous 4 weeks. Get over your hatred and enjoy the game

 

[Triumph]

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I love how people say take out this stat and take out that game to make their argument. But when someone else does it they say "oh you cant do that!" The fact is he ran very well the last 2 weeks big game or not he has played far better than the previous 4 weeks. Get over your hatred and enjoy the game

I do enjoy the games. Much so.

Everytime LKM gets blown up at the LOS after doing his dance, I laugh!

Pray for snow every week.

 

[eagle eye]

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I've never been a Maroney hater, cause I generally hope that the players on our team will do well rather than hope that they fail just to prove that I was right.

But I'm still not a fan of Maroney and 2 decent performances when the passing game was in sync isn't enough to erase my concerns about him.

I hope he proves me wrong but 3 seasons of disappointing or injured play doesn't fill me with a lot of hope.

As far as Pees goes, I've always felt like it was going to take time to change our defense from wise and slow to fast and young and that there would be bumps in the way. There still will be bumps along the way.

Major fail here.

 

[shakadave]

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Good post.
He was dancing again for at least half his carries. When has that off left tackle play ever worked with him carrying? You know the one where he tries to bounce outside and gets creamed. There are some (perhaps most) unconvinced.
DW Toys

Color me unconvinced for sure. I also dispute the myth that Maroney is blazing fast. He looks slightly slower than the average running back to me. (P.S. I'm serious --- no sarcasm intended.) Admittedly Maroney's speed is hard to judge, because he almost never gets running! He mostly just shuffles his feet, stopping to run in place if there's not a big hole to run through.

I wish him well, hope he contributes, etc., but if we re-sign him, it'll be at about $800,000 per year.

 

[Synovia]

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He mostly just shuffles his feet, stopping to run in place if there's not a big hole to run through.

If hes doing that, why does he consistently get more yards than Morris and BJGE in similar situations? If Maroney is busy shuffling his feet, what the hell is BJGE doing? Eating a hot dog?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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I do enjoy the games. Much so.

Everytime LKM gets blown up at the LOS after doing his dance, I laugh!

Pray for snow every week.

I think this is the underlying problem with this fanbase as presently constituted. Too many armchair fans of wanting to be right and not enough actual fans of wanting to see this team win.

 

[condon84]

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The Titans and the Bucs are a good measuring stick for how good our defense and Maroney really are.

 

[SoCalPatsfan90]

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For all the "this was done against the worst 2 teams in the league" arguments... Dude has an average of less than 9 carry's a a game and over the season has averaged 4.3ypc.

The LEADING rusher in the league after this week... Cedric Benson... 4.4ypc and an average of 23 attempts a game...

Benson has a total of 164 rushing attempts this season... maroney 61. If you take Maroneys 4.3 average... and give him 121 attempts (the average of the top 15 league rushers by attempts), he'd have over 500 yards on the season. Which btw, would be good enough for top 10 rusher, #6 to be exact after this week.

Would we not be content with a top 10 overall back? If we used ONE back for 90% of the carries a game?

Just sayin'...

I'm not a Maroney ball washer... but dude isn't as bad as people make him out to be.

 

[eagle eye]

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I think this is the underlying problem with this fanbase as presently constituted. Too many armchair fans of wanting to be right and not enough actual fans of wanting to see this team win.

Totally agree. The point of this thread was to just get it out there that those guys aren't around the last two weeks when things are going well. They just turn up when somebody they don't like has a bad day. Its sad really.

And basically when it starts again as it will no doubt as soon as the defense or Maroney has a bad week, the first thing I'm going to post is a question as to where they were when Maroney or the D was doing so well.

 

[olschool]

When he was drafted in the first round, I think people expected the next Corey Dillon.

It's obvious he'll never be that good, but it's also obvious that BB likes him,or he'd be gone. That's good enough for me.

He's a running back on the most prolific passing offense in NFL history. With that in mind, if the committee can run for any positive yardage, it's just a bonus.

It's only a problem when the passing game is stopped. Then it's a BIG problem.

 

[BionicPatriot]

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I think this is the underlying problem with this fanbase as presently constituted. Too many armchair fans of wanting to be right and not enough actual fans of wanting to see this team win.

My friend, you have summed up the general New England sports fan better than I ever could.

 

[BionicPatriot]

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For all the "this was done against the worst 2 teams in the league" arguments... Dude has an average of less than 9 carry's a a game and over the season has averaged 4.3ypc.

The LEADING rusher in the league after this week... Cedric Benson... 4.4ypc and an average of 23 attempts a game...

Benson has a total of 164 rushing attempts this season... maroney 61. If you take Maroneys 4.3 average... and give him 121 attempts (the average of the top 15 league rushers by attempts), he'd have over 500 yards on the season. Which btw, would be good enough for top 10 rusher, #6 to be exact after this week.

Would we not be content with a top 10 overall back? If we used ONE back for 90% of the carries a game?

Just sayin'...

I'm not a Maroney ball washer... but dude isn't as bad as people make him out to be.

This is our problem. I just think with this fanbase you're either somebody or you're nobody. Maroney, from what the writers, fans, etc. say sounds like he was in the league for 2 years than was released. They act like the guy can't play. The fact is he can. However, does he have IT to be great? IT to me is durability, toughness, dedication, etc. I don't know Maroney, I never met him and I've never stepped foot in the New England locker room and just about 99.9% of us here never have either. So no one hear can really question his dedication, etc.

But from the look of it, I just don't know if he has the durability part of the game. You make a very good point. Pretty much when Maroney gets the ball, he makes things happen. I remember repeatedly being frustrated early on in the year. I'd watch Maroney get stuffed once then he would sit for like a quarter as Taylor or Morris would pound it out.

MAYBE, just maybe, the injuries to Morris and Taylor has given Maroney his chance to shine. In 2006 he was with Dillon, in 2007 he was splitting carries with Morries and wasn't healthy for like six weeks. In 08, he was hurt. He has never had the chance really to be the man. But lets face it, THIS is honestly his year. This is the year Maroney can prove he can handle a full season. He can handle being a horse, he can consistently produce, etc.

I'm not trying to be dramatic or what ever with what I'm saying. But I think this is Maroney's shot to take the RB throne and run with it (no pun intended) We saw it in the snow, a dominant Maroney brings about the defense respecting the play action pass which brings dominance. Maroney doesn't need 5 YPC, 130 yds every week to be good for us. He just needs to bring accountability, make the defense creep up, make them respect him and target him.

This offense is hard enough to stop when Brady-Welker-Moss do their thing every week, but if they can get Lomo to become a liability for the defense, watch out. I know people will call me crazy but there has never been a year Maroney has been the lone healthy back, and this is it. We'll know all about Maroney by the end of this season.

 

[Synovia]

When he was drafted in the first round, I think people expected the next Corey Dillon.

It's obvious he'll never be that good

Corey Dillon is a career 4.29 ypc guy. He fumbled once every 93 carries and averaged 12 yards receiving per game on 1.6 receptions per game.

Lawrence Maroney is a career 4.31 ypc guy. He has fumbled once in 450 carries. He averages 10 yards receiving per game on .9 receptions per game.


Again, the issue isn't him being good, its him being healthy. He is good.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Corey Dillon is a career 4.29 ypc guy. He fumbled once every 93 carries and averaged 12 yards receiving per game on 1.6 receptions per game.

Lawrence Maroney is a career 4.31 ypc guy. He has fumbled once in 450 carries. He averages 10 yards receiving per game on .9 receptions per game.


Again, the issue isn't him being good, its him being healthy. He is good.

Exactly. I agree with what you're saying, that's why I say this is his year to prove he's something or just injury prone.

 

[SoCalPatsfan90]

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This offense is hard enough to stop when Brady-Welker-Moss do their thing every week, but if they can get Lomo to become a liability for the defense, watch out. I know people will call me crazy but there has never been a year Maroney has been the lone healthy back, and this is it. We'll know all about Maroney by the end of this season.

This I'll agree with. But I was more addressing those people who don't like his running style (which I'm usually one of, but numbers don't lie)... Not arguing about his durability or something that has merit.

I hope he plays well for the rest of the season, I hope he stays healthy for the rest of the season, and we'll go from there.

 

[BionicPatriot]

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This I'll agree with. But I was more addressing those people who don't like his running style (which I'm usually one of, but numbers don't lie)... Not arguing about his durability or something that has merit.

I hope he plays well for the rest of the season, I hope he stays healthy for the rest of the season, and we'll go from there.

I understand. I was just pointing some things out.