Wilfork wants Seymour money

[klinefan]

I don't think the Patriots want to extend Wilfork until they know what they have in Brace.

If Brace is not close to as good as Wilfork then you need to pay Wilfork. But if Brace is decent you then have to ask is Wilfork that much better than Brace that the best use of $6-$8 million dollars a year is to keep Wilfork and have Brace sit on the bench.

Wilfork's value to the NEP is directly tied to how good Brace is. Brace's performanace doesn't change Wilfork's value on the open market but does change his how much he is worth to this team. And BB won't be able to answer that until the season is underway.

Bingo! We have Bingo!

Too bad pompous blow hards can't use common sense.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

To believe that Brace can give us what Wilfork gives is shows just how much you know about talent.

Brace will not be as good as Wilfork. Will Brace + $8M of cap space be as good as Wilfork ? That's a much tougher question to answer.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Brace will not be as good as Wilfork. Will Brace + $8M of cap space be as good as Wilfork ? That's a much tougher question to answer.

To your first point, we don't know that. I keep hearing from the same talent evaluators that said Cassel should be cut during training camp last year, keep saying there is no way that Brace could to as good as Wilfork. But the same guy who decided not to cut Cassel last year, decided to draft Brace this year, so who knows maybe Brace is a decent nose tackle.

As to your second point I agree the question is not is Brace better than Wilfork, the question is is Brace plus 8 million in cap space better than Wilfork. If I was BB I wouldn't want to have to make that decision until I saw Brace playing a couple of down in the Monday night opener.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

To your first point, we don't know that. I keep hearing from the same talent evaluators that said Cassel should be cut during training camp last year, keep saying there is no way that Brace could to as good as Wilfork.

You're right. But it's very unlikely, though possible, that Brace will be as good or better than Wilfork. Better for the money (assuming Wilfork's next contract) ? That's way tougher to guess at.

 

[IcyPatriot]

With more 3-4 being employed the franchise number will go up and Big Vince may actually be asking for a fair amount. If it's $6 now IMO it will be at least $8 in a year or so.

 

[mgteich]

No problem. Wait, and Wilfork will play elsewhere. Maybe Brace will be OK, maybe not.

Why take the such risks with the franchise?

To your first point, we don't know that. I keep hearing from the same talent evaluators that said Cassel should be cut during training camp last year, keep saying there is no way that Brace could to as good as Wilfork. But the same guy who decided not to cut Cassel last year, decided to draft Brace this year, so who knows maybe Brace is a decent nose tackle.

As to your second point I agree the question is not is Brace better than Wilfork, the question is is Brace plus 8 million in cap space better than Wilfork. If I was BB I wouldn't want to have to make that decision until I saw Brace playing a couple of down in the Monday night opener.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

No problem. Wait, and Wilfork will play elsewhere. Maybe Brace will be OK, maybe not.

Why take the such risks with the franchise?

He didn't say to dump Wilfork, he said to see what we've got then decide :

I don't think the Patriots want to extend Wilfork until they know what they have in Brace.

 

[mgteich]

If Wilfork isn't considered good enough to get a contract now, I don't think that HE will want to stay after the season. He might as well go elsewhere.

He didn't say to dump Wilfork, he said to see what we've got then decide :

 

[slash83]

WIlfork makes every player on the defense better, whether its seymour or warren, or any of the lbs. No player on the D is more disruptive then Vince.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

If Wilfork isn't considered good enough to get a contract now, I don't think that HE will want to stay after the season. He might as well go elsewhere.

We can Franchise him so, while he can sit out, he's not at the point where that's an easy option for him right now.

 

[mgteich]

I would think that if the patriots are not interested in his long-term services, then he can sit out training camp and the first five games of the 2009 season.

Why isn't that an easy option for him?

The patriots can make their business decision and he can make his. This strategy has worked for others recently.

We can Franchise him so, while he can sit out, he's not at the point where that's an easy option for him right now.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

No problem. Wait, and Wilfork will play elsewhere. Maybe Brace will be OK, maybe not.

Why take the such risks with the franchise?

He is under contract. Other teams can't talk to him until next April. Why does he need a contract in June of this year, sign him in October.

 

[mgteich]

And Seymour was under contract. And Branch was under contract. And Samuel was under contract. None of those three allowed the team to wait until October. Why should Wilfork?

Of course, the team can wait. Wilfork doesn't have to report until just before the sixth game.

He is under contract. Other teams can't talk to him until next April. Why does he need a contract in June of this year, sign him in October.

 

[RayClay]

Bingo! We have Bingo!

Too bad pompous blow hards can't use common sense.

Brace wasn't the best tackle on his own team and he's never played nose.

Yeah, he's a shoe in.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

And Seymour was under contract. And Branch was under contract. And Samuel was under contract. None of those three allowed the team to wait until October. Why should Wilfork?

Of course, the team can wait. Wilfork doesn't have to report until just before the sixth game.

That would be next year! He doesn't have to report to OTAs, he does have to report training camp.

You are acting like this is the year we tagged him. It isn't. That might occur next year. He still has another year on his contract.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Brace wasn't the best tackle on his own team and he's never played nose.

Yeah, he's a shoe in.

And Matt Cassel wasn't the best passer on his own team in college and he never played QB.

Did the self-appointed talent experts learn anything from last year? I am gonna wait and see what BB has to say about his ablity after camp.

 

[Deus Irae]

And Matt Cassel wasn't the best passer on his own team in college and he never played QB.

Did the self-appointed talent experts learn anything from last year? I am gonna wait and see what BB has to say about his ablity after camp.

The Patriots didn't let Brady go so that Cassel could become the starter. Bad analogy.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I would think that if the patriots are not interested in his long-term services, then he can sit out training camp and the first five games of the 2009 season.

Why isn't that an easy option for him?

He can. But that never happens. They always come back, maybe there's one time I'm forgetting but they always threaten and never do it.

The patriots can make their business decision and he can make his. This strategy has worked for others recently.

Samuel played out his contract and was Franchised once.
Branch was traded in the same position as Wilfork but we have no idea how it would have played out had the Patriots not traded him.

 

[RayClay]

And Matt Cassel wasn't the best passer on his own team in college and he never played QB.

Did the self-appointed talent experts learn anything from last year? I am gonna wait and see what BB has to say about his ablity after camp.

You're right!!!

Let's stop drafting players and look only for backups that haven't played since high school.

What impeccable logic. we'll just forget about scouting and drafts, they're obviously a waste of time. I'm going to email BB right away.

What a stroke of genius, they'll save millions!!!

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

You're right!!!

Let's stop drafting players and look only for backups that haven't played since high school.

What impeccable logic. we'll just forget about scouting and drafts, they're obviously a waste of time. I'm going to email BB right away.

What a stroke of genius, they'll save millions!!!

That is not what I am saying.

But BB drafted Brace for a reason. And my point is to all the self-appointed talent experts who claimed that Cassel should have been cut last year and are now claimin there is no way Brace can be a decent replacement for Wilfork -- STFU.

I don't know if Brace will be better than Wilfork, he might, he might not. I don't know and you don't know. BB should know with in the first few games of the season.

But it is the same experts that knew Cassel was a crap QB who wouldn't win a single game even if as a backup who came in with a late 4th quarter lead that are claiming they know that Brace will not make a suitable NT.

In BB I trust.