Brady-King interview on SI.com [merged]

[Bella*chick]

LOL. The Peter King article is like printed Viagra for you guys.

 

[CT_PatsFan]

I don't mean to be a party pooper,but has there EVER been an NFL QB who has played on the same team who drafted him after reaching 40?

Usually once a QB hits the upper 30s he gets traded elsewhere from his original team (Like Montana and Bledsoe ect
)

Favre could have been a Packer at 40, or at least 39, if he didn't pull his usual "retire-unretire" BS following the 2007 season. If it wasn't for the offseason soap opera, he would have finished his career as a Packer. Yeah I know he was a Falcon first, but everyone knows the Packers are his team.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Favre could have been a Packer at 40, or at least 39, if he didn't pull his usual "retire-unretire" BS following the 2007 season. If it wasn't for the offseason soap opera, he would have finished his career as a Packer. Yeah I know he was a Falcon first, but everyone knows the Packers are his team.

Not to mention that the whole point is that QBs almost never play to 40 anyways, and the few that do are just as likely to be journeymen who never had that first team to begin with (Testaverde) as someone who, up to that point, had played for the same team. The sample size of QBs in their late 30s/early 40s who are even remotely comparable to where Brady might be in 7 or 8 years is so small that attempting to observe trends from it is ridiculously misguided.

If you want to argue that the chances of Brady playing to 41 are small, then that's a debate that can actually be reasonably had. Arguing whether or not he'll be with the Patriots supposing that he does play that long is pointless.

 

[vyrago]

Ten more years, ten more years, ten more years!!!!!

Does that mean Bill Belichick for ten more years? I sure hope so.

 

[efin98]

Favre could have been a Packer at 40, or at least 39, if he didn't pull his usual "retire-unretire" BS following the 2007 season. If it wasn't for the offseason soap opera, he would have finished his career as a Packer. Yeah I know he was a Falcon first, but everyone knows the Packers are his team.

Doesn't fit his criteria though...he was drafted by the Falcons and played for them for one year.

Nobody fits his criteria. There were only a handful of quarterbacks that made it to past 36 and even fewer who were 40+ year old NFL QBs and all of them played for multiple teams.

 

[glm]

Welcome to the gay Patsfans club!!!


EDIT: Do NOT tell my wife!

This sounds way better than the chess team.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Ten more years, ten more years, ten more years!!!!!

With the Pats! Pay up Bob! Keep Tom Here!!!!!

 

[PatsFanSince74]

The great thing is Tom makes more in endorsements than he does in salary. If he got $30m per year in Detroit he would end up making less overall because his endorsements would lag. He is part of a greater whole and that makes him happier to win and happier to make more endorsement money.

From your lips to God's ears, I hope!!!!

I don't think we have to worry about Detroit (or Tampa or Nashville or...well you get the idea), but the Left Coast, closer to his home with Gisele in Brentwood and near his son...that's what I'd be concerned about... But, I think the Krafts understand this even better than any of us ever could and will cowboy up to keep him in Boston.

 

[DefenseRules]

LOL. The Peter King article is like printed Viagra for you guys.

That's the best way to describe it. LOL, the man love in here is astounding.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't mean to be a party pooper,but has there EVER been an NFL QB who has played on the same team who drafted him after reaching 40?

Usually once a QB hits the upper 30s he gets traded elsewhere from his original team (Like Montana and Bledsoe ect
)

Elway would have if he didn't retire on top at age 38. Marino, Tarkenton, Sammy Baugh, and Young also retired at 38 for the same team they played most or all of their careers at. Johnny Unitas played with Baltimore uniil 39. Sonny Jurgenson played with the Redskins until he was 40, but he played his first five or six years with the Eagles. Len Dawson played with the Chiefs until he was 40 although he bounced around the first few years of his career. Other HOF QBs like Jim Kelly, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, etc. played for only one team, but retired before they got to 40.

The fact of the matter is, only a HOF QB really has a chance for playing for only one team his entire career if he is to play into his late 30s or early 40s. There just hasn't been many HOF Qbs who have actually played into their 40s to be examples.

Today, players play longer and futire HOFers like Brady and Manning are more likely to hit the 40 milestone. I would bet that both will be playing for their current teams barring a huge drop in production. Although I think both player's playing style is such that they can both play at a high level at least until the late 30s barring injury.

 

[Rob0729]

Doesn't fit his criteria though...he was drafted by the Falcons and played for them for one year.

Nobody fits his criteria. There were only a handful of quarterbacks that made it to past 36 and even fewer who were 40+ year old NFL QBs and all of them played for multiple teams.

Yes, but several of the HOFers who played into their 40s stayed with the team that they made their HOF career on. These guys like Sonny Jurgenson and Len Dawson played on other teams before they because the great players they were, but spent the bulk of their career with the team they retired with.

Favre, Jurgenson, and Dawson don't technically fit the criteria; but they do fit the spirit of the criteria (well at least Jurgenson and Dawson). PATRIOTSFANINPA point was that most QBs either get cut or not resigned later in their career and Jurgenson and Dawson both played into their 40s without getting cut or leaving the teams that they became famous with.

 

[efin98]

Yes, but several of the HOFers who played into their 40s stayed with the team that they made their HOF career on. These guys like Sonny Jurgenson and Len Dawson played on other teams before they because the great players they were, but spent the bulk of their career with the team they retired with.


Favre, Jurgenson, and Dawson don't technically fit the criteria; but they do fit the spirit of the criteria (well at least Jurgenson and Dawson). PATRIOTSFANINPA point was that most QBs either get cut or not resigned later in their career and Jurgenson and Dawson both played into their 40s without getting cut or leaving the teams that they became famous with.

The reason he added the stipulation of them being with the team they were drafted on was meant to quell talk of guys like Jurgenson and Dawson and even George Blanda. They are the extreme exception rather than the rule with quarterbacks

Even with Dawson and Blanda they wouldn't have had careers after their failures in the NFL if not for the AFL being around in the 60s...both failed to catch on with their drafting teams, with Dawson failing in Pittsburgh and Cleveland and Blanda failing in Chicago(as a QB, would have played on as a kicker). And even with Jurgenson, if he didn't have support I'm not sure he would have stayed around with the Redskins the last few seasons when he was splitting time with Billy Kilmer.

 

[vyrago]

This deserves to get some "My bad" comments from those who railed against Brady getting the surgery done out west.

Certainly my bad. I was willing to blame the medical staff.

Now carrying his baby around his room was just stupid on Brady's part.
Wonder why this wasn't explained at the time. If the surgeon was such a good friend you'd think Brady would want to protect his reputation instead of leaving the news of the infection out there to encourage speculation that wouldn't reflect well on the doctor or the hospital.

 

[Rob0729]

The reason he added the stipulation of them being with the team they were drafted on was meant to quell talk of guys like Jurgenson and Dawson and even George Blanda. They are the extreme exception rather than the rule with quarterbacks

Even with Dawson and Blanda they wouldn't have had careers after their failures in the NFL if not for the AFL being around in the 60s...both failed to catch on with their drafting teams, with Dawson failing in Pittsburgh and Cleveland and Blanda failing in Chicago(as a QB, would have played on as a kicker). And even with Jurgenson, if he didn't have support I'm not sure he would have stayed around with the Redskins the last few seasons when he was splitting time with Billy Kilmer.

Actually, although I can't actually speak for him, I am pretty sure he made his statement without even considering Jurgensen or Dawson. It seems pretty clear to me he was talking about a Montana situation where he was traded away when he got older. In fact, he said as much. Here is the the second line of his post:

Usually once a QB hits the upper 30s he gets traded elsewhere from his original team

That clearly doesn't apply to either of those QBs. I don't think it was the spirit of his statement. To me at least, PATRIOTSFANINPA's point was that typically even the great QB are deemed expendable when they get older and don't end the the career with the team that made them great. I don't think he was talking about players who struggled and bounced around a bit early in their career. I think you are reading into things that aren't there.

As for the rule for HOFers, it is typically to end their career with the teams that made them great. Montana is the exception. You look at the HOF and most of the QBs played for only one team and if they played for more it was because they spent the early part of their career somewhere else and the bulk of their career with the team they retired with. The exception to the rule is a HOF actually playing into his 40s. Most have retired in their mid to late 30s.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

...

...There were only a handful of quarterbacks that made it to past 36 and even fewer who were 40+ year old NFL QBs and all of them played for multiple teams.

Good comment. You got me thinking. Let's look at some facts.

There are 17 SB-era, HOF QB'S: Aikman, Bradshaw, Dawson, Elway, Fouts, B. Griese, Jurgensen, Kelly, Marino, Montana, Moon, Namath, Starr, Staubach, Tarkenton, Unitas and Young.

Their average retirement age was 37.4; the median was 38.0. The oldest was Moon at 42. Aikman, Bradshaw and Namath were the youngest, retiring at 34 (nice work if you can get it). For reference, Montana and Elway were 38 in their last season.

In their final seasons, they started an average of 8.9 games and a median of 10.0 games. Their average and median W/L percentages were .528 and .517. Their average Pass Rating was 73.1, nearly identical to the median of 73.2.

In their next to final seasons, they started an average of 11.6 games and a median of 12.0 games. Their average and median W/L percentages were .559 and .583. Their average Pass Rating was 76.5, the median was 80.0.

The average age at which they made the Pro Bowl for the last time was 34.5 (median 34.0). Moon was the oldest to make the Pro Bowl, at 41; Elway made it at 38. Aikman, Bradshaw and Starr made their last Pro Bowls at the ages of 30, 31 and 32 respectively. Montana made his last Pro Bowl at 37, as did Staubach and Young.

The star of this group by these measures was Elway who started 12 games in his final season with a W/L record of 10--2 and a Pass Rating of 93. Montana started 14 games with a 9--5 record and a Pass Rating of 83.6 in his final year. Namath, Starr and Unitas had Pass Ratings of 54.5, 45.2 and 40.0 respectively in their final seasons, but with very few games started. There is a wide range among the others in terms of Games Started and Pass Rating.

In general, these QB's stuck with one team for all or most of their careers.

Aikman, Bradshaw, Elway, Fouts, B. Griese, Kelly, Marino, Starr and Staubach played their entire careers with one team.

Dawson spent virtually his entire career with KC, except for a few games in his first two years. Montana spent the last two years of a 15 year career with KC, including a trip to the AFCCG and Pro Bowl. Namath spent his entire career with the Jets, starting four games for the Rams in his final season. Unitas started four games in his final season with SDG after 17 years with the Colts. Steve Young spent 13 years with the Niners after two seasons in Tampa Bay.

The exceptions to the longevity with one team rule were Jurgensen who split his career between Philadelphia (seven seasons) and Washington (11 seasons); Moon who spent 10 years with Houston, three with MIN, two with Seattle and two with KC (where he only started two games) and Tarkenton who spent the middle five years of an 18 year career with the Giants and the rest, of course, in MIN.

Bottom Line: HOF QB's generally play for one team and tend to tail off after their mid thirties, with, of course, notable exceptions like Elway and, to some extent, Montana.