Reiss: Cassel most likely to KC

[luisrha]

Somehow, you completely ignore the Miami experiment.

It's less likely for Det. to turn things around that fast, but not impossible by any means.

Yes, but it’s a very different situation, no matter how “similar” Miami-2007 and Detroit-2008 were:
1) Miami just one game in 2007, but they were competitive in many of their defeats; Detroit was undoubtedly the worst team ever.
2) Miami got Bill Parcells; Detroit has Matt Millen’s heirs.
3) They actually were just on rebuilding mode until they became incredibly lucky and got Chad Pennington after Brett Favre’s soap opera... and Pennington turned to be exactly the kind of QB they need.

I don’t discard a Detroit’s “turnaround” to five or six wins, but what Miami did last year was unique in NFL’s history.

 

[JSn]

OK, so it's time for trade theory.

Cassel goes to KC for this year's #2 and Gonzalez. Sounds like a deal we win on, but looking at what's going down in KC, I think Tony would otherwise be granted to opportunity to look for a new team. He's still there as a bargaining chip/favor.

The cheapy TE we picked up was to throw the dogs off.

I also think there's a minute possibility Maroney will be involved in the deal.

 

[DW Toys]

Stafford is considered by most the #1 prospect right now. So if you have no where to go but down why take that chance?

Not anymore. He is about 6th.
Sorry brudda.
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[DW Toys]

You'll have to drop the #1 pick expectations, even if it's in 2010. It's just not going to happen. Let's settle for KC's #2 this year and a 2 or 3 next year at best. Let's not get greedy or we'll end up stuck staring at 14.5M holding a clipboard in 09 with no FAs to bring in.

How about Detroit 2nd first rounder and a fourth? Done deal.
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[DW Toys]

What you and some others aren't acknowledging is that Detroit doesn't need an Franchise starter (Cassel) next year--they are going to suck next year anyway. Makes a ton more sense for them to use Culpeper or someone as a stopgap while they rebuild the team from the ground up.

I think them taking going OL and LB with their first two, then Josh Freeman as their 3rd pick makes a ton of sense.

You get that on Walters Draft Site? Exactly how they see it in their forum.
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[DW Toys]

OK, so it's time for trade theory.

Cassel goes to KC for this year's #2 and Gonzalez. Sounds like a deal we win on, but looking at what's going down in KC, I think Tony would otherwise be granted to opportunity to look for a new team. He's still there as a bargaining chip/favor.

The cheapy TE we picked up was to throw the dogs off.

I also think there's a minute possibility Maroney will be involved in the deal.

I think I mentioned this and you are very close to my idea. Maroney as part of the deal to KC and we get LJ as a risk child, TG and a swap of firsts. I was thinking David Thomas goes as well, hence a TE move this week? Interesting.
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[JSn]

I think I mentioned this and you are very close to my idea. Maroney as part of the deal to KC and we get LJ as a risk child, TG and a swap of firsts. I was thinking David Thomas goes as well, hence a TE move this week? Interesting.
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There's no denying that something is going down. BB and Pioli have shown one very solid thing in common. Decisiveness. I knew Matt would get franchised on day one, and seeing all this go down, yeah, something's up.

Not sure about LJ, maybe.

 

[Frezo]

I think I mentioned this and you are very close to my idea. Maroney as part of the deal to KC and we get LJ as a risk child, TG and a swap of firsts. I was thinking David Thomas goes as well, hence a TE move this week? Interesting.
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I'll take it in a completely different direction. The Pats trade the 23rd and Cassel to Dallas for Ware. Dallas trades Romo to Detroit for the 20th. All three players sign lucrative 5 year contracts.

IMO Romo is done in Dallas. He's lost the receivers, half the team and probably Jerry "Mr. Impatient" Jones. They now have a shotgun oriented QB that will thrive with that offense and two 1st round picks. I believe this is Ware's contract year. When Romo fails, next year Jones will be faced with Ware as a FA while having to find a QB capable of winning now with his veteran offense. He moves now instead. Detroit has a veteran QB that may well revert to his earlier form without the pressure of performing for America's Team. They also still have their #1 for an OL. The Pats have what will be the most versatile and electrifying front seven in the league.

win...win...win

 

[JSn]

I'll take it in a completely different direction. The Pats trade the 23rd and Cassel to Dallas for Ware. Dallas trades Romo to Detroit for the 20th. All three players sign lucrative 5 year contracts.

IMO Romo is done in Dallas. He's lost the receivers, half the team and probably Jerry "Mr. Impatient" Jones. They now have a shotgun oriented QB that will thrive with that offense and two 1st round picks. I believe this is Ware's contract year. When Romo fails, next year Jones will be faced with Ware as a FA while having to find a QB capable of winning now with his veteran offense. He moves now instead. Detroit has a veteran QB that may well revert to his earlier form without the pressure of performing for America's Team. They also still have their #1 for an OL. The Pats have what will be the most versatile and electrifying front seven in the league.

win...win...win

Whoa... is the chemical you're inhaling legal in Canada?

 

[Frezo]

Whoa... is the chemical you're inhaling legal in Canada?

It's legal in my house.

 

[JSn]

It's legal in my house.

Hehe. Send some to every GM except BB - TOMORROW!

 

[Frezo]

Hehe. Send some to every GM except BB - TOMORROW!

Balco is on top of it.

 

[JSn]

Balco is on top of it.

hehe - sweet. Izzo can drop it off for ya.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'll take it in a completely different direction. The Pats trade the 23rd and Cassel to Dallas for Ware. Dallas trades Romo to Detroit for the 20th. All three players sign lucrative 5 year contracts.

IMO Romo is done in Dallas. He's lost the receivers, half the team and probably Jerry "Mr. Impatient" Jones. They now have a shotgun oriented QB that will thrive with that offense and two 1st round picks. I believe this is Ware's contract year. When Romo fails, next year Jones will be faced with Ware as a FA while having to find a QB capable of winning now with his veteran offense. He moves now instead. Detroit has a veteran QB that may well revert to his earlier form without the pressure of performing for America's Team. They also still have their #1 for an OL. The Pats have what will be the most versatile and electrifying front seven in the league.

win...win...win

I'm going to go out a bit further on a limb than you... I predict a 32 way trade. As with your prediction, it's a little complicated, so I'll refrain from going into detail.

But suffice to say its a win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win for all parties involved.

 

[Frezo]

I'm going to go out a bit further on a limb than you... I predict a 32 way trade. As with your prediction, it's a little complicated, so I'll refrain from going into detail.

But suffice to say its a win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win...win for all parties involved.

So in the end Seattle ends up with Branch as a TE?

 

[JoeShmoe]

Your belief in Culpepper's ability as a starter is astounding. It mirrors the faith that the Dolphins fans had in him... before they found out he was a DUD. How does playing with a black hole at QB make any team better off?

Where did I say I had faith in anyone? You need to actually read the posts. All I said is I believe they will start with him next year as they rebuild - and has been stated it makes a lot of sense for them. Culpepper is clearly awful but why spend a lot of money on Cassel, Stafford etc if they're going to be on their backs all the time or always trying to overcome an god awful D. Get some key pieces on the OL and DL and rebuild

I can see Stafford being available at #3 to KC which muddies the waters a bit

 

[mcsully]

I'll take it in a completely different direction. The Pats trade the 23rd and Cassel to Dallas for Ware. Dallas trades Romo to Detroit for the 20th. All three players sign lucrative 5 year contracts.

IMO Romo is done in Dallas. He's lost the receivers, half the team and probably Jerry "Mr. Impatient" Jones. They now have a shotgun oriented QB that will thrive with that offense and two 1st round picks. I believe this is Ware's contract year. When Romo fails, next year Jones will be faced with Ware as a FA while having to find a QB capable of winning now with his veteran offense. He moves now instead. Detroit has a veteran QB that may well revert to his earlier form without the pressure of performing for America's Team. They also still have their #1 for an OL. The Pats have what will be the most versatile and electrifying front seven in the league.

win...win...win

Wow.. You have some imagination..

Dallas basically loses D. Ware and gets nothing in return..

 

[The_Riddler]

How about Detroit 2nd first rounder and a fourth? Done deal.
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I'll take it..........

 

[JoeShmoe]

I'll take it..........

Aye, I agree you with you on what we should realistically hope for in any trade. I dont think we get a first either and would be delighted with a high 2nd

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Whoa... is the chemical you're inhaling legal in Canada?

outside of moosehunting, i thought everything was legal in canada.