Rumor: Tom Brady suffered a setback recently

[Triumph]

Trade Brady now.

 

[DaBruinz]

you call people names. in fact, you have callled me a liar. i have never lied on this board. there is no reason for me to do that.

Listen, you've already proven in another thread that you support dishonesty and unfair business practices. As for me calling you a liar, when I did, I had a very good reason. You attributed something to me that was never said. Hence, its a lie. I'm sorry that you don't comprehend that.

i heard something on the radio and reported it here. i reported it as a rumor. i believe we will keep cassel. if people want to tell me im a moron for saying that, thats ok. i have never spoken in facts aroudn here when it comes to potential moves. but, i do use logic. and as you tried to tell my brother, that it is not simple logic that the patriots will keep cassel if brady has indeed suffered an incident, you are wrong yet again. based on information we have or beleive to be true we reach inferences and make deductions. making sure that i am correct, here is the definition of LOGIC 1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.

You may think that you use logic, but you purposely ignore salient facts. Making your conclusions less than logical.

so what my brother said about logic, how if brady is hurt, he used logic to come to an inference, HE IS 100% right. so whos wrong? not him. but you. yet you are the one calling people idiots and morons. yet you dont even know what logic is.

so to repeat my belief and my brothers belief...

i quote..."It's not that its fact. Its simple logic. If your starter isnt healthy and you have a proven stud backup, you keep him."

people dont know that logic isnt reaching a fact. its reaching a conclusion based on information. the conclusion doesnt have to necessarily true, but the information leads you in that direction.

You might want to go back and re-read your first post. Because its clear you don't remember what you said.

It is clear to me now, that there is no way we are letting Cassel walk.

That's not a speculation. That's not an inference. That is a statement of fact. Unfortunately for you, other people pointed out 14.65 million reasons why that is its NOT fact. Why that, regardless of Brady's status, there is reason to NOT keep Cassel on the roster.

 

[DaBruinz]

i heard Mike Francessa say on WFAN 660AM in NY yesterday that Brady suffered a setback and it was really bad for the NFL. I was called a liar, an exaggerator, a jerk, a dumby, stupid, etc. thats basically it

Another example of your exaggerations. I truly appreciate you proving it to everyone.

This post is typical of someone who suffers from a victim mentality and always believes that he did nothing wrong and that the reactions he receives from other people aren't justified.

 

[Rob0729]

i heard Mike Francessa say on WFAN 660AM in NY yesterday that Brady suffered a setback and it was really bad for the NFL. I was called a liar, an exaggerator, a jerk, a dumby, stupid, etc. thats basically it

Wait! Didn't your original post say that Francesca didn't say what the set back was or how severe? How is it now "really bad for the NFL"?

 

[Brettlax3434]

WFAN - reported Brady suffered a setback, and the broadcaster simply stated that a guy like Brady being hurt is bad for the NFL.

 

[Brettlax3434]

Wait! Didn't your original post say that Francesca didn't say what the set back was or how severe? How is it now "really bad for the NFL"?

Billdog3484 simply stated what was said on the radio by a broadcaster. Then you proceeded to attack him as if the words were his own. If you attacked the broadcaster that would make sence, but attacking Billdog3484 is weak.
ps. The broadcaster is completly correct by saying Brady not playing is bad for the league

 

[billdog3484]

You may think that you use logic, but you purposely ignore salient facts. Making your conclusions less than logical.

if what was said by me is not logic then what is

i came to the conclusion

Fact # 1
Brady had a bad injury
Fact #2
Even without any major setbacks there is a chance Brady may take a while to get back
Fact #3
With a setback who knows

Logical Conclusion I Made
To Me it is clear we are going to keep Cassel in light of these facts

if you want to disagree thats fine. I respect that. I do not respect how you go about disagreeing.

 

[billdog3484]

Wait! Didn't your original post say that Francesca didn't say what the set back was or how severe? How is it now "really bad for the NFL"?

I said what he said.

He said he heard Brady Suffered a setback. He said it is really bad for the NFL. he did not say how severe. There are other posters in this thread who have confirmed this. I told you all he talked about it for 30 secs to 1 minute. I posted what I heard and thats it.

 

[ScottieC]

Ok, head on over to TMZ and they have a report of him playing golf on Sunday with a crappy picture (I have a better one )

Anyway - While playing golf is obviously NOT like playing football, there is a certain amount of pressure placed both legs and knees (including turning thru the shot) - I'm NOT getting into a fight with anyone about this, talk with Tiger Woods about the damage that golf can do to a knee - but this is good news.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/05/tom-brady-putts/

 

[Deus Irae]

Billdog3484 simply stated what was said on the radio by a broadcaster. Then you proceeded to attack him as if the words were his own. If you attacked the broadcaster that would make sence, but attacking Billdog3484 is weak.
ps. The broadcaster is completly correct by saying Brady not playing is bad for the league

No, he said more than that. He used a passing comment which did not have a link or other way to verify, and then added this:

It is clear to me now, that there is no way we are letting Cassel walk.

Now, personally, I don't care about that part, because I just wanted verification of the comments about the setback. I personally don't look at Cassel as a quarterback who can lead this team to a Super Bowl victory at this stage of his career, so I look at "no Brady" as the same thing as "No fourth ring", and I'm only looking at the Cassel situation as a way to pass the time rather than as a crucial period of Patriots history. However, the OP didn't just give out facts. He gave out an (at the time) unsupported claim of injury and then made an assertion about it.

Again, I really don't care about the assertion, because it's just his opinion and it ignores a whole host of issues and possibilities. However, others objected to it., and the lack of a second source backing up Francessa's assertion is significant, particularly given that one of the posters here took the time to contact Reiss and Reiss has not verified the claim.

 

[billdog3484]

Deus, at least 3 people, have openly stated they heard the same thing. I never stated how severe it was or even how severe i thought it was.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Ok, head on over to TMZ and they have a report of him playing golf on Sunday with a crappy picture (I have a better one )

Anyway - While playing golf is obviously NOT like playing football, there is a certain amount of pressure placed both legs and knees (including turning thru the shot) - I'm NOT getting into a fight with anyone about this, talk with Tiger Woods about the damage that golf can do to a knee - but this is good news.

Tom Brady Putts - TMZ.com

They say he did play - which is pretty good news IMO, hitting a drive puts a solid sideways bend on the knee.

 

[billdog3484]

and for the record, let me just say this. I wish more than ANYTHING that Brady is 100% and the Patriots are so confident that he will be ok that we can trade Cassel and get great value in a trade for him. I am just not optimistic about this.

 

[Deus Irae]

Deus, at least 3 people, have openly stated they heard the same thing. I never stated how severe it was or even how severe i thought it was.

Ok, now you're not even bothering to read the posts you respond to:

He gave out an (at the time) unsupported claim of injury and then made an assertion about it.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Please make this stop! :deadhorse::scream:

 

[billdog3484]

Ok, now you're not even bothering to read the posts you respond to:

i was responding to the portion which you stated i didnt verify what i wrote. how am i going to verify a 30 sec clip on a radio station. i dont tape record the show. the fact that I cant find a secondary source, what is the difference considering I never said what francessa said was true. I just repeated what he said. and what is the difference if it was said on rotoworld or rotowire or profootball talk. those are sites which report what they hear, Just as I did.

 

[Jimke]

and for the record, let me just say this. I wish more than ANYTHING that Brady is 100% and the Patriots are so confident that he will be ok that we can trade Cassel and get great value in a trade for him. I am just not optimistic about this.

If Matt Cassel's value is as high as some sports people claim

(mid round first plus a second), Matt will be franchised and traded

regardless of Tom Brady's condition. Cassel's trade value may

never be higher.

 

[billdog3484]

If Matt Cassel's value is as high as some sports people claim

(mid round first plus a second), Matt will be franchised and traded

regardless of Tom Brady's condition. Cassel's trade value may

never be higher.

thats your opinion, which is shared by many people. I have mine, which is shared by a smaller percentage of people.

we will see.

 

[billdog3484]

It is clear to me now, that there is no way we are letting Cassel walk. I said it a few weeks ago and got ripped apart, but if this is true, it is obvious Cassel will be on our roster.

just an opinion from anyone. would you consider this to be

(a) me guaranteeing and stating as a fact that cassel will be on the roster,

OR,

(b) me stating my opinion that I think he will be on the roster

maybe im missing something here

 

[Deus Irae]

i was responding to the portion which you stated i didnt verify what i wrote. how am i going to verify a 30 sec clip on a radio station. i dont tape record the show. the fact that I cant find a secondary source, what is the difference considering I never said what francessa said was true. I just repeated what he said. and what is the difference if it was said on rotoworld or rotowire or profootball talk. those are sites which report what they hear, Just as I did.

You're not seriously asking this, are you? In the post-Tomase/Rather/pretty much every reporter alive era, you're asking what the difference is?