Is Pioli as good as some teams think?

[JR4]

I wonder what he would be like without Belichick's input.
As once describe by Belichick they both have to agree
on obtaining a palyer. If either one solidly disagreed they move on
to other choices.

So I wonder how many of Pioli's choices were nixed by BB?
Now Pioli's and his staff wade through a lot of options but will that really change?
While gathering the options information is important,
isn't it the final choices that make or brake a team.
Of course one could argue if BB didn't nix some choices PATs
may have been better off but ... I doubt that.

 

[Tunescribe]

I wonder what he would be like without Belichick's input.
As once describe by Belichick they both have to agree
on obtaining a palyer. If either one solidly disagreed they move on
to other choices.

So I wonder how many of Pioli's choices were nixed by BB?
Now Pioli's and his staff wade through a lot of options but will that really change?
While gathering the options information is important,
isn't it the final choices that make or brake a team.
Of course one could argue if BB didn't nix some choices PATs
may have been better off but ... I doubt that.

The ONLY way to tell if Pioli is a miracle worker is if he turns around a franchise like Cleveland or K.C. I have a feeling the most vital tandem on the Pats is BB and Ernie Adams, and that pair ain't breaking up anytime soon.

 

[Lifer]

This is so typical.

Cant deal with the fact we may lose the third most important person of the dynasty so in order to deal with it, Scott Pioli will now become useless and overated.

Thats Boston fans right there.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

I wonder what he would be like without Belichick's input.
As once describe by Belichick they both have to agree
on obtaining a palyer. If either one solidly disagreed they move on
to other choices.

So I wonder how many of Pioli's choices were nixed by BB?
Now Pioli's and his staff wade through a lot of options but will that really change?
While gathering the options information is important,
isn't it the final choices that make or brake a team.
Of course one could argue if BB didn't nix some choices PATs
may have been better off but ... I doubt that.

It's all going to depend on the CULTURE of whatever teams he chooses to go to.

Can't say the same about the Browns-that ownership is a mess.

Lions-ditto

Jets-ditto-nothing but a tease organization.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

This is so typical.

Cant deal with the fact we may lose the third most important person of the dynasty so in order to deal with it, Scott Pioli will now become useless and overated.

Thats Boston fans right there.

What's typical is people like you calling everyone homers.

Obviously I would like Pioli to stay. Our personnel decisions have been alright, though overrated, but Bill and Scott work well together and have generally done a good job; their trades far exceed their drafting and FA signings, however. That said, we've lost a gazillion people and keep moving along just fine so I am assuming Bill has the guys in place to keep the ship moving with or without Pioli. That does NOT mean I don't care if he leaves, obviously I don't want him to but I don't believe Bill is unprepared for this.

 

[Lifer]

What's typical is people like you calling everyone homers.

Obviously I would like Pioli to stay. Our personnel decisions have been alright, though overrated, but Bill and Scott work well together and have generally done a good job; their trades far exceed their drafting and FA signings, however. That said, we've lost a gazillion people and keep moving along just fine so I am assuming Bill has the guys in place to keep the ship moving with or without Pioli. That does NOT mean I don't care if he leaves, obviously I don't want him to but I don't believe Bill is unprepared for this.

thats different than running down Pioli, to revise history in order to deal with the fact he may be going, which people are already doing.

i love how suddenly their drafting sucks. Yeah, Mayo was a bust. Meriweather. Seymour. Brady. Warren. Wilfork. Green. Samuel. Graham. Branch. Givens. Light. Koppen. Kazur. Mankins. Gostkowski. Cassel. Yeah, what do Belichick and Pioli know anyway???

 

[maverick4]

The ONLY way to tell if Pioli is a miracle worker is if he turns around a franchise like Cleveland or K.C. I have a feeling the most vital tandem on the Pats is BB and Ernie Adams, and that pair ain't breaking up anytime soon.

I agree. Pioli, and even Brady, are top 5 at their jobs, and it's not a knock to say that the only indispensable part is the Belichick brain, coupled to Adams'.

 

[Boston Boxer]

This is so typical.

Cant deal with the fact we may lose the third most important person of the dynasty so in order to deal with it, Scott Pioli will now become useless and overated.

Thats Boston fans right there.

i was thinking the same thing.

 

[maverick4]

It is possible to be good at your job, and yet not be indispensable to the Patriots.

The Patriots will still roll if Pioli and McDaniels leave, and there is a decent chance they will succeed wherever they leave for as well.

 

[DaBruinz]

Lifer-
I have your sorry arse on ignore because I learned a long time ago that a dead light bulb is brighter than you are..Unfortunately, when people quote you I get reminded how ignorant you are.

The OP did NOT insinuate that Pioli was useless and over-rated. That is you being a total d!ck and exaggerating what was said. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, outside the Patriots organization knows to what extent Pioli's powers extend or the influence that he truly has.

I've said that I believe that Pioli and BB are, NOW, on an even level. That Pioli can't fire BB and that BB can't fire Pioli. Its my belief that Pioli has a tremendous amount of respect for BB and Adams and that the reverse is true. That BB and Adams have the same amount of respect for BB. I think that Pioli is more important than any of us realize... And its why I don't believe he's going anywhere.

 

[Lifer]

Suddenly Ernie Adams is the Messiah. Yes, the whole key to the dynasty is Ernie Adams.
The Father, The Son, and Ernie Adams.

Pioli sucked. Ernie Adams was the whole key the entire time. Belichick could leave and we would be ok if Ernie Adams stayed.

 

[billdog3484]

This is so typical.

Cant deal with the fact we may lose the third most important person of the dynasty so in order to deal with it, Scott Pioli will now become useless and overated.

Thats Boston fans right there.

i dont think most people think that he is useless. its just always so hard to tell with the patriots who makes decisions. i think it is an interesting point. pioli can be proven to be useless, OR, he can be proven to be a genius

 

[Lifer]

Lifer-
I have your sorry arse on ignore because I learned a long time ago that a dead light bulb is brighter than you are..Unfortunately, when people quote you I get reminded how ignorant you are.

The OP did NOT insinuate that Pioli was useless and over-rated. That is you being a total d!ck and exaggerating what was said. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, outside the Patriots organization knows to what extent Pioli's powers extend or the influence that he truly has.

I've said that I believe that Pioli and BB are, NOW, on an even level. That Pioli can't fire BB and that BB can't fire Pioli. Its my belief that Pioli has a tremendous amount of respect for BB and Adams and that the reverse is true. That BB and Adams have the same amount of respect for BB. I think that Pioli is more important than any of us realize... And its why I don't believe he's going anywhere.

wow, DaAnger,drink coffee much? calm down.

does that really make sense that if Pioli has so much power here when he cant fire anybody that he wouldnt have more if he went someplace else where he would have TOTAL CONTROL???
there is no BB in Cleveland or KC. It would be his show. A promotion. More money. Hence, MORE IMPORTANT JOB THERE.
can you get that?
or will you start swearing again to show how brilliant you are?

hey, someone respond to me so DaBruinz can get set off again.

 

[Kontradiction]

thats different than running down Pioli, to revise history in order to deal with the fact he may be going, which people are already doing.

i love how suddenly their drafting sucks. Yeah, Mayo was a bust. Meriweather. Seymour. Brady. Warren. Wilfork. Green. Samuel. Graham. Branch. Givens. Light. Koppen. Kazur. Mankins. Gostkowski. Cassel. Yeah, what do Belichick and Pioli know anyway???

Nobody in this thread once stated that our drafting sucks. What was said is that our free agent moves have been more on target than our drafting, which is true. But we do draft well. Of course we get a couple of busts and bumps in the road, but not more or less than any other team. You can't strike gold everytime you draft because it's a crapshoot.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

i love how suddenly their drafting sucks. Yeah, Mayo was a bust. Meriweather. Seymour. Brady. Warren. Wilfork. Green. Samuel. Graham. Branch. Givens. Light. Koppen. Kazur. Mankins. Gostkowski. Cassel. Yeah, what do Belichick and Pioli know anyway???

Who said their drafting sucks ? I said it's overated. We've had a LOT of 2nd and 3rd round busts. For every Branch there's a Bethel Johnson. For every Light there's a Chad Jackson. What's bailed us out (other than the Brady pick) has been exceptional trading (both for veterans and future draft picks) and no first round busts unless you count Maroney. Our first round drafting has been exceptional. As has our trading. Our drafting outside the first round has been fine but other than the QB it's been hit and miss. And our veteran FA signees have been just alright.

I'm not bashing the Patriots, Belichick or Pioli. But I'm not going to pretend that our 2nd and 3rd round drafting has been responsible for our success.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

What was said is that our free agent moves have been more on target than our drafting, which is true.

Our FA signees have largely been bad. Other than the big money guys (Colvin, Thomas), our FA have helped little with Harrison the noteable exception. The trades are where we've been great. Dillon. Welker. Moss. Draft day trades that acquired Wilfork and Warren. That's where we've done fantastic.

 

[billdog3484]

hey, someone respond to me so DaBruinz can get set off again.

i would, but the patsnazi has me on ignore too...i think hes mentally challenged or a 9 year old.

 

[Rob0729]

Pioli and Belichick are usually on the same page on everything. I doubt Pioli got "overruled" all that often. Besides, Belichick and Pioli looked at decision making as a partnership, not one over the other.

I think Pioli is invaluable in a system like this, but maybe not elsewhere. What Pioli did here was find players that fits Belichick's system and he knew exactly what Belichick wanted and needed. Not sure you will see that magic elsewhere. There is only one Belichick and who knows how in tune Pioli will be with another head coach even if it McDaniels.

I also think Pioli can be replaced if Belichick can find a good talent evaluator who can understand exactly what Belichick is looking for in a player. Not an easy task to find, but not impossible.

 

[PushnPencils]

thats different than running down Pioli, to revise history in order to deal with the fact he may be going, which people are already doing.

i love how suddenly their drafting sucks. Yeah, Mayo was a bust. Meriweather. Seymour. Brady. Warren. Wilfork. Green. Samuel. Graham. Branch. Givens. Light. Koppen. Kazur. Mankins. Gostkowski. Cassel. Yeah, what do Belichick and Pioli know anyway???

Graham was a bust. Watson a bust. Maroney a bust. Chad Jackson a bust. Hobbs overused bust. Most high round busts where the most money and commitment is made.

I think the thing about Maroney and Jackson that hurts is guys like Dangelo Williams, Addai and Santonia Holmes were taken by some of our biggest rivals and are all Pro Bowlers. Not to mention Michael Turner and Bob Sanders.

Call it fickle but there has been almost an equal amount of draft and FA ineptitude as there has been success.

Take Brady out of the mix, and imho you get a mixed bag.

I would assume that BB has the final say on all of these, so let's see how Pioli does on his own.

 

[Deus Irae]

Graham was a bust. Watson a bust. Maroney a bust. Chad Jackson a bust. Hobbs overused bust. Most high round busts where the most money and commitment is made.

I think the thing about Maroney and Jackson that hurts is guys like Dangelo Williams, Addai and Santonia Holmes were taken by some of our biggest rivals and are all Pro Bowlers. Not to mention Michael Turner and Bob Sanders.

Call it fickle but there has been almost an equal amount of draft and FA ineptitude as there has been success.

Take Brady out of the mix, and imho you get a mixed bag.

I would assume that BB has the final say on all of these, so let's see how Pioli does on his own.

You label Graham, Watson and Hobbs busts? That pretty much eliminates you as a talent evaluator.