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Why is Welker not a legitimate MVP candidate?

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  1. Ice_Ice_Brady

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    Wes Welker now has 18 more receptions than the guy in second place (R. Wayne), and is averaging 10 more yards per game than the guy second place (A. Johnson.) Projected over a 16 game season, Welker would catch 153 passes. Truly astonishing with just that, but Welker also is fourth in the league in punt return average.

    I've heard all the MVP arguments so far, and I'm tired of truly deserving players getting overlooked for this award. The biggest knock on Welker not winning the MVP are these reasons, in order:

    1. He's a wide receiver. Not a good reason, but reality of the voting.
    2. He doesn't have a lot of touchdowns compared to most MVP-caliber players
    3. He missed two games
    4. The Patriots' record doesn't warrant an MVP

    But the major reasons why he should get HUGE consideration far outweigh these reasons.

    1. Welker has been the absolute lead-by-example player in the NFL this year. His blue-collar work ethic, toughness, and perseverance have rallied his own team around him in big situations.

    2. There has not been a more reliable, sure-thing receiver in the NFL in my lifetime. Sure, there are amazing deep threats and more athletic players... but Welker is basically re-creating the slot receiver position right now. Defenses simply cannot stop him.

    3. As much as Moss and Brady have helped Welker look good in the past, Welker has equally made both of them look good this season. With Brady coming back from major surgery, Wes has been his bread and butter.

    4. His numbers/production are mind-boggling, but actually watching the games demonstrate just how dominating he has been. Defenses are completely dumbfounded on how to stop a little 5'9" guy that has great quickness, intelligence, and hands, and then how to tackle him after he accelerates on a dime.

    Brees will probably wind up winning the award, and well-deserved, but I've seen a quarterback dominate like that in almost every season. I've yet to see a wide receiver do what Welker is doing this year. It isn't about the touchdowns (Shaun Alexander was a 1-yard TD master) or the glitz; it's about the guy that is the most valuable player in the league. I truly can't think of anyone this season that has been more valuable on either side of the ball.

    Also I wanted to add some other players that deserve consideration:

    Philip Rivers- what he's done is to me as impressive as Manning or Brees, without the talent

    Brees- Does anyone realize that his QB rating is like 17 points higher than Manning's?

    Desean Jackson- Another guy who should be put in the conversation before a lot QBs. He has done more to carry his team than Favre.
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    i do like what Philip Rivers is doing but he dose have more talent then drew brees on he's team


    i think brees wins it cause they will go 16-0



    wes welker will not win it cause moss opens up most of the stuff he dose and he only has 4 TD's
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    His last name doesn't rhyme with "fanning" or "havre".
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    Reasons #1-109: he's a Patriot.
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    Welker is absolutely a legitimate MVP candidate.. but no way he'll get it.
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    Reasons #110-218: He's a wide receiver.

    I agree, he deserves MVP consideration, but he won't get any love. Don't be surprised, though, if he gets votes for offensive player of the year.
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    Right now Brees is the MVP and deservedly so. Satan manning is a close second. Chris Johnson third.. followed by Favre. Welkers having a great year, but hard to put him ahead of any of those guys.
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    guy by the name of chris johnson also will have something to say
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    Welker won't win because the Pats suck

    if we were ripping through this season like the Colts or Saints maybe he would be mentioned more
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    Because everyone knows he could not line up wide and dominate.

    He is a unique tweener type of player that will never get the credit as a stud receiver.

    He is more like a running back who motions out into the slot and runs a little sub-5 yard catch and run pattern.

    He is a hell of a football player but needs certain things around him to do what he does.


    Jodee
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    He certainly can run deeper routes... but he isn't a deep threat like most top tier WRs. On deep routes he basically needs to fake out the DB to get separation and hope for single coverage and the ball has to be to him quickly because most DB can close in on him, he doesn't have great speed, he has great quickness. He is great when used right and that is all that matters. This team just needs production, not superstars. (This is NOT a knock on Moss, I think he is just as valuable.)

    That being said, the guy has a great ability to get open and for his role that is all that matters.
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    MVP's (almost) always come from first place teams. I'm not saying that's right; it's just the way it is. There's not one, but two 13-0 teams - and what, seven teams with better records than the Pats? Plus, the MVP (almost) always goes to either a QB or RB.

    It will probably go to either Brees or Manning (my guess is Brees since he has not won it before), but Chris Johnson (RB, but not on a winning team) probably deserves it more than Welker.

    It's like the year that Indy won the Super Bowl against Chicago. I felt the MVP should have been the Colts' offensive line. Yeah, that's not one person, but why not give it to the whole unit? If not, give it to Saturday. Of course there was no way that would happen; predictably it went to the winning QB.
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    Drew Brees should win it. Peyton Manning probably will.
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    He's short.....thats all i could come up with :D
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    welker will not even be mentioned nor considered for the mvp because:

    1) he's a patriot
    2) belichick's "schemes" are the reason the pats win
    3) the patriots are a good team but have no great players
    4) the patriots have lost their way
    5) it must be the coaching because the players suck
    6) they have no leadership
    7) belichick is not a genius
    8) we hate belichick and the patriots


    signed: garbage spewing, moronic analysts at espn
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    He's not defended by number 1 corners, and wouldn't be as productive without Moss being opposite.
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    I hope you intended to sarcasm with your first statement. The Pats do not suck. They lead their division are 8-5, have a great offense (an average D).

    The Browns, Rams, Bucs, and Lions suck. The Pats are a good, not great, team this year, but so were the Giants when they beat us and so were the Cards last year.
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    Absolutely loved this! post of the week to me.

    For those saying Welker can't go deep like elite WRs can, he plays a different position. Today, its called a slot receiver. It used to be called a flanker. His role and his abilities are not suited for the deep ball like a WR. But I'm hard-pressed to think of a better flanker/slot receiver ever. This, plus his special teams play and his over-achieving play-making skills make him the MVP of the Pats so far

    But I agree that Brees will probably get the award because he is having an outstanding year for an undefeated team.
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