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I like Harmon, and agree he seems to be the likely starter but I have concerns about his coverage. On the season, he was targeted 12 times and allowed 8 receptions for 99 yards. His 66.67% completion rating against was tied with Brandon Spikes for the highest on the team for players targeted 10+ times.
He was targeted 58 times resulting in 39 receptions for 453 yards. Which is not impressive by any stretch of the imagination but not as bad as you imply.
I am not advocating for Chung. I do not think that he is that good at all. In fact I see him as 50/50 to make the roster and if he does it would be as a special teams player primarily. In 2010 we were running a different scheme with more zone and less man - Chung was a much better player in that scheme. I am not going to say he was horrible because he was not in my opinion in 2010 and down the stretch in 2011.Dude, you seriously need to learn to watch games instead of looking at numbers in a vacuum. And 39 receptions in 58 targets is a 67% completion rate, which is the percentage that has you 'concerned' with Harmon.
Chung was not good. Get over it.
I think what's happening with some people regarding their memories of Chung, is that they're confusing good play for a young player with good play overall. I think Chung in his first two seasons played well enough for many to think "This guy has the potential to get it, if he takes that next step." He showed flashes of thinking he could be a solid safety, and so there was reason to rate him positively in the context of a rookie/2nd year player.
Then the last two years happens, and he's shown to be a sub par safety overall. Now people look back and remember "Hey, he was pretty good his first two years!" when in reality he was only considered "good" because there was expectation he would continue to grow. Think of it as a form of confirmation bias. You remember things based on how you felt about the player at the time, not about how that player performed in relation to other players at his position.
That said, I still think Chung could have a spot on this team, if BB can keep him in a limited role on defense and he can carve out a role on ST. He just won't sniff a starting position, he's not that caliber of player in this league.
I am not advocating for Chung. I do not think that he is that good at all. In fact I see him as 50/50 to make the roster and if he does it would be as a special teams player primarily. In 2010 we were running a different scheme with more zone and less man - Chung was a much better player in that scheme. I am not going to say he was horrible because he was not in my opinion in 2010 and down the stretch in 2011.
Define on the field for the Patriots, do you mean at all in any form or just as a starter? I think Chung is an very good special teams player personally, I think his battle is with Nate Ebner.
Tavon Wilson? Get ready for many of this
My opinion is that he's been expected to hold down the job for awhile now, although some will disagree. While the plan doesn't appear to be too exciting to us, there had to have been some semblance of a plan in place nonetheless, and I believe that is Duron Harmon.
Obviously, I don't know if he'll work out or not, but it's hard for me to envision anyone else on the roster currently beating him for the starting job come week one.
You are overrating his earlier years and ignoring the reality of that time. You have tried to insinuate that Kontra was being a hypocrite about that when he wasn't, and you've ignored the obvious correlation between Harmon's "concern" percentage and the percentage from Chung when you claim he was better. In short, your arguments are steaming piles.
Chung sucked, because he couldn't cover worth a damn. It is what it is. It's bad enough I had to read all the crap around here from the people defending him at the time. I'd rather not have to relive that nonsense because people can't even admit to his poor play when it's years down the road.
Tavon Wilson? Get ready for many of this
I am not advocating for Chung. I do not think that he is that good at all. In fact I see him as 50/50 to make the roster and if he does it would be as a special teams player primarily. In 2010 we were running a different scheme with more zone and less man - Chung was a much better player in that scheme. I am not going to say he was horrible because he was not in my opinion in 2010 and down the stretch in 2011.
Not only could he not cover worth a damn, but he was too late to too many plays (which shows that he has trouble diagnosing what the offense is doing), overrated in run support, and took some bad angles that made James Sanders look like Lawrence Taylor in comparison. He was awful.
...and this is the only reason why Chung may stick here. Wilson has been even worse than Chung has. Multiple mental errors and this game was the exclamation point. WTF was he doing as Rice just casually strolled right past him? What the hell did he THINK his assignment was?
Shocker that a rookie from a small school would have trouble diagnosing plays.
Considering I'm arguing with your opinion it will be hard to change it, but I completely disagree with the bolded part.
If I remember one play from the Chung era it was that he wasn't fast enough to get across the field and wasn't strong enough to jar the ball loose from Mario Manningham on his sideline catch in the 4th quarter of SB46 after Moore got beat.
If you consider that to be not horrible down the stretch, then I am terrified to find out what you think is horrible down the stretch. Chung had his moments when he was a starter (just like most starters do), but was usually mediocre. He was drafted in the 2nd round, but gave us the performance of a 6/7th rounder. Sure he's a solid ST'er, but this thread is about safeties.
Personally, I did not think his quality of play was that poor in 2010 and 2011, the past 2 seasons I agree he has been one of the worst starting safeties in the NFL.
Needless to say I voted for Tavon Wilson to win the job so it is not as if I am a huge Pat Chung advocate, in fact I give him a 50/50 shot at even making the team.