Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by QB12, Nov 21, 2011.
According to: PLAYOFFRACE, we are the #1 seed over Texans, based on strength of victory percentage.
That means we gotta root for the Ravens because if they lose one and the Steelers win out, the best the Pats can do is the #2 seed.
Now we just got to keep it and take advantage of it.
that's going to be tough
Silly logic, root for both to lose? How about that?
I'll be cheering for the Niners Thursday night I promise.
The Niners are our friends. They got to beat the Ravens and the Steelers.
And Pitt only has 2 tough games left (kinda)
Bengals at home & SF on the Road assuming SF still has something to play for in week 15
But I think maybe the Pats would be better served to play Pitt in Pitt for the AFFCG assuming everything goes according.
That's true. Hey, give me a break. It is midnight. Besides, it is conceivable that the Pats, Ravens, and Steelers all end with the same record at 13-3.
not necessarily, if there is a three way tie, like we have now, the head to head does not matter unless one team has beaten the other two head to head . . .
We've got a long way to go. I think we caught a break tonight. This was all a 2nd half game. We can't do that against good teams.
Example of that...NYG
Our first half effort may not even work against poor teams like Philly and Miami.
Except either Baltimore or Pittsburgh win the AFC North (assuming Cincy doesn't) and that team would be the only team the Pats would go up against in the seeding for the #1 seed. If all three are 13-3, the Steelers are a Wild Card team and the 4th seed while the Pats would beat out the Ravens for the higher seed.
I don't know if I believe that we are currently the #1 seed, as most sites (including the game analysis) have us at #3, behind BAL and HOU.
I'll take your word for it though, no sarcasm intended at all.
It really doesn't matter anyway, as those percentages and conference records will change throughout the next 6 games. All we have to worry about is winning 5 out of last 6, at least in my opinion. That, and BAL winning the division I suppose.
That'd likely put us at 12-4, with a #2 seed, as the best PIT could do would be a #5 even at 12-4 since they wouldn't win the division.
No matter how you slice it, it's too early still to be worrying about what other teams do. As long as we win 5 of last 6, (not as easy as it sounds), we should at least get a #2.
How would the Steelers be a #4th seed if they don't win the division?
Hear what you are saying but I think health is the greater concern. Would much rather have the Pats lock up a bye before week #17 and sit a bunch of players against the Bills. Give them 2 full weeks off even if that costs the #1 seed. Couple of other points:
- Having the #1 seed may more of a liability this year. Assuming PIT/BAL are #5 seed, they could be the lowest remaining seed after wildcard weekend. Would be much better to play wounded Texans or inconsistent Raiders (warm weather teams with a longer trip) and let PIT/BAL beat each other up in the divisionals.
- The Pats last 2 games are at home. Even with a #2 seed, the Pats wouldn't see an airport for over a month after the Denver game.
Get this team relatively healthy/rested and they will be a bear in the playoffs. What about the defense? They are currently playing without 3 starters in the back 7...so of course the results are going to be sketchy. Get McCourty, Chung and Spikes back to 100% health (side benefit of resting up for multiple weeks) and the defense will look much different. Giving Wilfork a play or 2 off sometime might be advisable as well.
Quick aside...do people (and by "people" I mean Dilfer) realize that the top 5 DBs on the Pats depth chart week #1 were McCourty, Dowling, Chung, Barrett and Bodden? Take any other team and remove their top 5 DBs and let me know if their secondary gets picked on. Winning games with Patch Adams, a QB-turned-WR-turned-CB and a random Ventrone covering receivers is pretty amazing if you ask me.
Personally, I don't see either one of those teams as "poor teams," and I think those are clearly the hardest 2 games on our schedule. In the NFL, you can throw records out the window in many cases, and these (at the very least Philly) are 2 clear cut examples.
MIA hasn't allowed a TD in what? A month? They have been playing as one of the hotter teams in the NFL in the past 4 games, starting with taking the NYG to the brink. After that, they have been very good with 3 wins in a row. Even their losses earlier were due to inconsistancy and some bad breaks. I see the Miami game as a damn tough game right now, especially since they're a divisional opponent.
And PHI is going to be the toughest game left, in Lincoln field next week. They have had the lead in the 4th quarter in 9 of 10 games. Yes, they have a hard time closing out, and have made some costly mistakes, but they don't see themselves out of the playoff race, with tie-breakers over BOTH Dallas and the NYG.
Not to mention the fact that they have a very potent offense, and will be very pumped up. If we played Philly tonight, we'd have easily lost in my opinion.
I meant 5th seed. Sorry.
Don't you love when obnoxious fans say things like " the game has passed BB by"? So absurd lol. How many coaches could get this group to play the way they are? (I'm sure someone will bring up the passing yards but please spare me the lecture, we care about points) it's been unbelievable.
All great points.
I agree that I would be just fine with a #2, as it may better suit us due to the matchups.
If that's the case though, then I may want PIT as the #1, in case we'd need to go there for the AFCGC--rather than BAL.
Just my opinion though.
lets keep it that way
Who would you rather have as a #1, Rob? (on the premise that we get the #2)
BAL or PIT?
I suppose it won't matter anyway, unless we can get some key defensive guys rested and really continue to gel on BOTH sides of the ball; but it is something to think about.
I think I'd rather have PIT as a #1 than have to go to BAL, considering that we'd be lucky/good enough to make it that far.
Texans could start Matt Cassel and still win their remaining games with their D and running game. It's gonna be tough for the Pats to get a 1 or 2 seed.
Stealers schedule has been pathetic all season. biggest dirty little secret in the NFL.
Even though the Steelers figured out the Pats this one time, I still like the Pats' chances against them based on their history. I would rather have an AFC Championship game in Pittsburgh than Baltimore. Although I did read somewhere today that the Ravens' offense has struggled against every 4-3 defense they have faced this year. It might be a better match up.
Yes, I saw the numbers compared to the Ravens facing 3-4's and 4-3's, and it was pleasantly alarming. On that note though, I think I would rather see them play PIT also.
When you think about it, I really believe that the Steelers showed their entire hand in this past matchup. I don't know if they could really come up with any new wrinkles that would be of significance. That, and the fact that PIT played amazingly well combined with the Pats playing amazingly poorly, yet the score was still a one score game at the end.
I have my doubts for going to Baltimore if the AFCCG is on the line, to be honest. I think they have the upper hand in many areas, and are better than PIT at many things. Either way, it'd be a helluva tough game.
Yes, very interesting that our strength of victory provides the current tie breaker b/c with the remaining schedule that we have, that will NOT last. Hopefully the harder schedules that the Ravens, Texans, and Steelers have will sprinkle a few losses into their records.
And now a second site has us as the 1 seed:
AFC Playoff Picture
i think if we dont play welll on offense like we did in the first half... then all these games will be tough... but next week at philly and at denver , where we always have problems, are the 2 remaining tough games... a loss this weekend wont damage number 1 seed hopes because we only have 2 losses in the confrence.. i think i dont care if its a 1 or 2 i just want to them to have a bye week... if this team is playing on wild card weekend, it will be tough for them to go to the afc title game...
What a difference a couple of weeks make. I guess all we had to do was punch the Jets in the nose to make the media start to believe in us again (though I like the underdog role better, but that ship sailed away some time ago). Of course, the Jets are now considered an average team (but one that was built specifically to try and stop the Patriots).
I think this team is really starting to come together and BB has to be proud of his team. Now, just need to get guys healthy and some reps t o make sure they are at game speed. anything less than 12-4 would be disappoining but I don't see us missing the post season and I like this team even if it has to be on the road.
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