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  1. PATRIOT64

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    Has there ever in the history of the NFL had a team with a starting QB and either a starting/semi-starting WR or TE with the SAME last name on the same team as we have now with Tom and Kyle?

    I could not find anywhere in the history of the league where this ever happened.

    Are we the first?

    You would think somewhere in NFL history before this year that a starting QB and his starting wideouts would have the same last name,I can't recall any though :confused: .
     
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    Brad and Keyshawn Johnson. What do i win?
     
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    I hate to burst your bubble, but there was also a QB named Bert Jones and one named Doug Williams.

    I wish there was some money in this.:D
     
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    That reminds me -- it's hard to imagine a more English/Anglo-Saxon collection of last names than the Pats' recent picks:

    Johnson
    Jackson
    Wilson
    Hill
    Light
    Branch

    And Hobbs was an honorary 2nd-round pick IMO.

    One has to go all the way back to Klemm for an exception.

    That's not as strictly true in the other rounds, I think, which have at least occasionally featured names such as Graham (Scottish), Maroney (I presume Irish), Kaczur, Klecko, O'Callaghan, and so on.

    HOW those black dudes wound up with English, Scottish, and Irish last names is an easy exercise left to the reader. :)
     
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    Asked that of a black man and he told me that was his ancestors owners name that they were given in the US as slaves.
     
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    Mankins??? that is not all that common...
     
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    Did Flutie's brother ever play in the NFL?
     
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    Um, Hello? Jim and Freddy Plunkett. Joe and Ted Montana. Johnny and Greg Unitas. There's three off the top of my head. In fact, I made them up off the top of my head.:)
     
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    You do realize that Ted's Montana Grill is a chain restaurant right? Or is it total co-incidence?
     
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    Yeah, I hope that was a joke, because it's Ted Turner's Montana Grill. :)
     
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    I mentioned the second round picks precisely because they were an extremely homogeneous list, more so than the general roster or list of picks or NFL player list would be.

    And yes, of course that's how the black dudes got their last names -- from their ancestors' owners. :(
     
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    Don't quite understand your answer...Did Bert Jones have a wideout with name of Jones and Did Doug Williams as well? - Read my question again in case you misread it.
     
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    Many players have the same last names, so I'm sure it occurs sometimes.

    Just for kicks, I ran Bert Jones and he threw to a Johnson and a Thompson.

    Just started Doug Williams and he threw to a guy named Jones his second year. LOL.

    Also a Johnson.

    It's only a matter of time. If somebody would give a cash reward, I'm sure I could find 5 or 10.
     
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    Bethel Johnson's was on the Vikes. LOL!!!

    Brad Johnson Bethel Johnson.

    1998 Bills Rob Johnson, TE Lonnie Johnson

    2002 Tampa Bay Bucs Rob Johnson, Keyshawn Johnson---Bucs had two QBs named Johnson who appeared in 6 games or more.

    2003 Raiders Rob Johnson, TE Teyo Johnson

    2004 Jets Quincy Carter, Jonathan Carter
     
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    Good answers that no one else knew or bothered to answer,Sorry I don't have a monetary prize but just the fact that I say 'good job Mr. Clay' should speak volumes without any gain of moolah to you :)
     
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    To close off the race-related part:

    If we divide NFL players into four groups as follows, #1 seems by far the biggest:

    1. Black guys with English surnames
    2. Black guys with non-English surnames
    3. Non-Black guys with English surnames
    4. Non-Black guy with non-English surnames

    Also, at least the Patriots seem to have a higher fraction of guys with great measurables drafted in the early rounds than the later rounds, and there may be an ethnic connection there.

    And finally, it just so happens that the highest-drafted non-black Patriots in recent years have the English-sounding names of Mankins and Light, while some of the mid-round guys have names like Kaczur, Klecko, Gostkowski, and O'Callaghan.

    There's nothing more to it than a "law of small numbers" that happened to kick in. Look around data sets with tiny sample sizes and you can find all sorts of bogus trends.

    And by the way, a lot of the Patriots' early picks have had names starting with "W". :)
     

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