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  1. BadMoFo

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    Just saw it re-tweeted by Mike Freeman of CBS. Hopefully, he'll bring down Peyton Manning, if it's true.
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    TO could flourish as a Colt ... they like that kind of YAC receiver.
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    Assuming his knee is right putting offensive talent around Manning is always a smart idea.
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    Probably more as a mentor to Mannings young group than a factor this year...Wayne has probably helped them as well.

    T.O. Is as much a factor anymore as Moss was....little
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    TO to the Colts would be good for both of them. He isn't completely done, and will provide a physical, veteran presence. TO also gets to play with one of the top QBs in the league, on a team that throws a lot.
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    I'm not sure if you bothered to notice but TO's stat line in 2010 was 72 receptions 983 yards 9 touchdowns in 14 games.
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    ...this. I'm not sure where you saw TO be a non factor, he had a very good season compared to Moss.
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    Don't hate on the guy. Anyone who reads other teams' forums knows that Jets and Fish fans were saying similar things about Ochocinco when we traded for him, despite his performance last year.
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    No one is signing TO any time soon. I doubt the Colts will.
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    This just posted over on Coltsfreaks...

    Not sure who they are quoting as tweeting this...
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    I'm not sure why people have to hate on players for the sake of it. Despite whatever personal feelings someone has towards a player you have to recognize production.
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    Team Obliterator. Doubt this works for the Colts.
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    I meant don't hate on your fellow Pats fans. :)

    It is pretty common for fans to claim that anyone their opponents signed is washed up, and anyone their own team signs still has plenty left in the tank.

    No need to hammer someone just for being a homer now and then, unless they are completely irrational (as some are).
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    TO is all talk and no action...that being said. I sure hope he goes to the colts!
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    Frankly Manning is going to throw to TO or to someone else, and regardless of who compiles the stats, the results are going to be much different. Take plays away from Garcon or Gonzalez or Collie and get the same result, big deal, only hurts them in the long run.
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    I love to gulp the Kool Aid and spit it out intermittently ;). Nobody should be silly enough to discount anything or recognize "their own" for what they are. If we did, the world would be one great cult. :p
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    How does it hurt the Colts in the long term? Gonzalez and Collie are walking hospital beds and TO is a proven performer over time (and a physical specimen). If anything, it strengthens their receiving corps and just gives Peyton another weapon to compliment Wayne, Clark, Garcon, Tamme, Addai and so on. If their OL draft picks pan out, you can expect the Colts to put up a big score playing in shoot outs.
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    Oh I agree. One of the reasons I don't post here a lot is that it tends to have lots of extremists. This shouldn't be a surprise given that everyone here cares passionately about the team, so they have equal passion in their opinions.

    But because of this, I actually enjoy Pats related debate more on Jets, Fish, and Bills forums, where while yes the other posters have an obvious bias, they are less likely to stake out extreme position, especially when talking about people other than Brady or BB.
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    Giving reps to an aging player who is there short term hurts you long term by keeping your young players off the field.
    Whoever they plug in to their system, that is the best in the NFL by far at designing plays to get receivers open will get the ball. TO will just be the guy executing the play in place of someone else.
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    I've got a simple question for you. Which of the Colts receivers were better than Terrell Owens in 2010? You can choose from;

    1. Reggie Wayne,
    2. Pierre Garcon,
    3. Austin Collie,
    4. Anthony Gonzalez and
    5. Blair White.
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  21. AndyJohnson

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    I think you can plug him in to any of those slots and not see much difference.
    Production from a WR has as much to do with the play call as the quality of the WR. The real question is if he switched spots with any of those guys would there be much difference. Include 2009 in your response as well.
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    Answer the question.
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    But to answer your question, first there is a difference between better play and better stats.
    Wayne was better.
    Collie was better when he played
    Garcon was similar
    Gonzalez was injured
    White was a backup forced into action who proved the 'anyone you put in there gets similar results theory' just as Tamme did.

    Now as far as TO:
    His team was 2 and 11 when he played. His contribution to 2 wins was 7 for 99 and zero TDs.
    Are we going to call accumulating stats against a prevent defense in a blowout like against us, 'good' WR play?
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    Answer the question Andy.
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    I did answer the question
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    That's not an answer, that's fluff attempting to discredit TO's contribution in 2010 in the attempt to support your poor starting position.

    I'm going to assume you agree that TO was better than all of the Colts receivers not named Reggie Wayne, thus your failure to directly state that.

    You cannot argue against that. The numbers alone won't allow you too.

    Direct question = direct answer. No fluff.
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    i dont think the colts will sign T.O but if they do i dont see why he cant have have a good year he was the better of the of the two WR's in cincy last year and the pats made a trade for the outher one so if ocho can have a good year with Brady and i think he will i dont see why a hall of fame WR like T.O cant have one last good year with Manning
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    No.
    I said Wayne was better
    Collie was better when he was healthy
    Garcon was similar
    Gonzalez was injured
    White was a backup forced into action

    Is that really that difficult to understand

    If you dont like my answer give your own, which apparently is you were more impressed with TO accumulating stats in losses than these guys contributing to wins. Thats fine. I just disagree with that outlook on football.
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    I am not interested in your opinion and meanderings, I want yes or no answers to the following questions;

    Was TO better than Reggie Wayne in 2010 according to production?
    Was TO better than Pierre Garcon in 2010 according to production?
    Was TO better than Austin Collie in 2010 according to production?
    Was TO better than Anthony Gonzalez in 2010 according to production?
    Was TO better than Blair White in 2010 according to production?
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