Patriotic Fervor
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.ClosingTime said:Perception is reality though and the perception amongst the players is that the Pats have treated Deion unfairly.
Patriotic Fervor said:OK, after I'd posted, Boston Strangler says he's seen a Borges article about, roughly, that subject. Un-named players, of course. Nothing about Bruschi.
So, Closing Time, show me the other agreements with your quote, or live up to your handle and truly let it be closing time - for you.
Honey? That would be so easy. And here I'm thinking it takes money.ClosingTime said:Remember, you catch more flies with honey thatn vinegar.
PatsFan37 said:Honey? That would be so easy. And here I'm thinking it takes money.
Don't kid yourself. This is all about the money. In football, respect is what you take to the bank.
RAWKY said:This is your oppinion, not the players. Your oppinion is just like Jackson's statement on ESPN "THE PLAYERS HATE THEIR COACH"
I also think you are just as wrong as Jackson was.
You have stated in another Post "BRADY" is the reason for their success.
While i agree Brady is one of the keys to the Pat's success i also recognize that BB is just as important and maybe more important in the long run then Brady is to this organization.
BB is unique in NFL coaching history.
Not just because he is smart, many coaches are smart.
Not just because he understands the Players, many coaches understand the players.
Not just because he understands the game of football, some coaches also understand the game of football.
Not just because he plans for every imaginable problem, some coaches do this.
Not just because he refuses to get caught up in his own importance, no other coach has been so successful and yet so unchanged by their success.
Not just because he understands the salary cap and thus aquires talent based on fiscal responsibility, this is a unique ability in the NFL and no other coach understands the cap or what fiscal fiscal responsibility is when it comes to aquiring and keeping talent that is why most teams have a coach and a GM. BB is the only coach GM to have sustained success in the modern era of football.
BB is unique because He understands ALL OF THE ABOVE and on top of that BB has a PLAN and that plan is unique in NFL history.
Most coaches and FO's go about amassing talent to win titles and hope to be successfull maybe once in a decade based on history. They are all doomed to the Super Bowl and bust cycle of management.
BB's plan is to have a few of stars and a well paid MIDDLE CLASS which give the two or three stars a platform from which to launch a title challenge in any given year they play.
No other coach has the power, the fiscal disipline and tunnel vision required to launch and maintain this type of approach. That is why other teams have said it is difficult to follow the Pat's model.
BB can be successful with this plan because he has a coaching method which stresses the fundementals of football and breaks down the weekly opponets weaknesses and strenghs into two or three manageable and understandable concepts and approaches at each position. These concepts and approaches are then taught to each position during the week of the game.
By reducing the large informational load down to two or three basic concepts he gives his players the best opputunity to be successful on the field.
The players usually respond well for they have had their minds freed from thinking and can go onto the field and simply play ball letting their instincts take over and focusing with thier minds only on the simple concepts and responsibilities they have been taught that week.
What BB has recognized is the difference between the middle class NFL players and the stars in football is for the most part only a few hundreds of a second and that a well coached, highly disciplined and properly motovated middle class of players can compete successfully against the teams built on the stars of the NFL.
From my observations of the BB i would wager that when Brady retires or heaven forbid is injured .....the Pat's will continue to vie for titles, maybe they will enjoy a little less success but i can assure you that unlike other teams that drop off the map within a year or two of success that as long as BB is in charge the Pat's will over time be more successful then any other club in the nation.
That being said the indivigual player will always have to conform to the TEAM as long as BB is Coach and GM and when all the dust settles the players who are true TEAM players will recognize that the Pat's are a team worthy of their play and thier loyalty.
TheBostonStraggler said:LOL, thanks for the mention in your post, however, let me correct one thing. It is Boston Straggler not "Boston Strangler". I am not a serial murderer (or at least I was cleared of all charges).....
ClosingTime said:Don't have the time. Follow your team a little more closely and keep believing that it all has a silver lining. Others here I'm sure have the links handy and will inform you in due time.
Browsnfan, in 2001 Troy Brown was still a very very good WR as was Patten, certainly better than Gabriel, who hasn't played one preseason game with the Pats or Reche Caldwell. To myknowledge, Jackson has zero catches in the NFL and has been injured most of the preseason. Very few rookie WRs perform well.
what's insane is that you missed the entire point which is the 2001 Pats offense was terrible. Great D and special teams.
And to think all this was because I said Brady was so damn good he didn't need a Marvin Harrison, Edgerinn James, R. wayne to put up huge numbers.
Funny how all players are great when they are with the Pats but then once they are gome (Givens, Branch) they isntantly become average, slightly above average players.
arrellbee said:......
p.s. I agree with you that this probably isn't a 'silver lining' in any way. I see no benefits for the Patriots - only possible difficulties. Sorry about that JR4.
ClosingTime said:Don't have the time. Follow your team a little more closely and keep believing that it all has a silver lining. Others here I'm sure have the links handy and will inform you in due time.
Browsnfan, in 2001 Troy Brown was still a very very good WR as was Patten, certainly better than Gabriel, who hasn't played one preseason game with the Pats or Reche Caldwell. To myknowledge, Jackson has zero catches in the NFL and has been injured most of the preseason. Very few rookie WRs perform well.
what's insane is that you missed the entire point which is the 2001 Pats offense was terrible. Great D and special teams.
And to think all this was because I said Brady was so damn good he didn't need a Marvin Harrison, Edgerinn James, R. wayne to put up huge numbers.
Funny how all players are great when they are with the Pats but then once they are gome (Givens, Branch) they isntantly become average, slightly above average players.
You must have missed my tongue-in-cheek emoticon. Now where did I put it?RAWKY said:There are a lot of great football players that would disagree with you on this.
Too name only three, Brady, Seymore and Bruschi.
ClosingTime said:Don't have the time. Follow your team a little more closely and keep believing that it all has a silver lining. Others here I'm sure have the links handy and will inform you in due time.
Browsnfan, in 2001 Troy Brown was still a very very good WR as was Patten, certainly better than Gabriel, who hasn't played one preseason game with the Pats or Reche Caldwell. To myknowledge, Jackson has zero catches in the NFL and has been injured most of the preseason. Very few rookie WRs perform well.
what's insane is that you missed the entire point which is the 2001 Pats offense was terrible. Great D and special teams.
And to think all this was because I said Brady was so damn good he didn't need a Marvin Harrison, Edgerinn James, R. wayne to put up huge numbers.
Funny how all players are great when they are with the Pats but then once they are gome (Givens, Branch) they isntantly become average, slightly above average players.
Not to mention congratulations on his acquittal.Patriotic Fervor said:My humblest and most profound apologies! Sometimes it seems, as I'm here typing, these fingers have a mind of their own!
I stand corrected, and thank you for your posts.
SteveKiner said:I am new here, and hopefully not stepping on anyone's toes, but I think some of the other posters are correct. You seem to make things up. David Patten is (still) one of my favorite players of all time. By the above statement, you seem to indicate he was a very very good receiver. Yes, it did turn out that way for the Pats in 2001. BUT, coming into that season, Patten had been in the league for 4 years. In that time he had averaged 17 catches for 251 yds per year. I don't think that qualifies as a very very good receiver. Doug Gabriel has been more productive in his early career than David Patten was in his. Hopefully it works out as well for the Pats but in no way can you say that Patten is/was "certainly better than Gabriel". Please stop making things up. I realize you are very busy, but the research on this took me less than 1 minute.
ClosingTime said:Don't have the time. Follow your team a little more closely and keep believing that it all has a silver lining. Others here I'm sure have the links handy and will inform you in due time.
Browsnfan, in 2001 Troy Brown was still a very very good WR as was Patten, certainly better than Gabriel, who hasn't played one preseason game with the Pats or Reche Caldwell. To myknowledge, Jackson has zero catches in the NFL and has been injured most of the preseason. Very few rookie WRs perform well.
what's insane is that you missed the entire point which is the 2001 Pats offense was terrible. Great D and special teams.
And to think all this was because I said Brady was so damn good he didn't need a Marvin Harrison, Edgerinn James, R. wayne to put up huge numbers.
Funny how all players are great when they are with the Pats but then once they are gome (Givens, Branch) they isntantly become average, slightly above average players.