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  1. BritPat

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    Who are we backing?

    Can't see passed the Tide myself, their D is too good and you'd imagine that they'll get enough out of the offense.
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    I don't much care who wins. I would note that the tide is 0-7-1 against Texas in their past meetings.
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    From Texas, interesting to see the performances of Shipley, Kindle and Muckelroy.
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    Hoping for an Alabama win, I've been a fan of this school since 1992. I like defense and Alabama seems to pride themselves on being good defensively.

    Players to watch...


    Alabama

    Mark Ingram So
    Julio Jones So
    Trent Richardson Fr
    Terrence Cody Sr
    Rolando McClain Jr
    Javier Arenas Sr
    Marquis Johnson Sr

    Texas

    Colt McCoy Sr
    Jordan Shipley Sr
    Sergio Kindle Sr
    Lamarr Houston Sr
    Roddrick Muckelroy Sr
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    Mike Johnson - LG,- Alabama 78 is having a monster game. Dominated his DT on running plays. Looks like he would be a nice 2nd rounder for us.
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    After Musberger said Saban was running Belichick plays I guess I'm rooting for Alabama.
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    Some look familiar. Can you add positions?
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    There ya go.
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    Well, I guess my name's patsfaninpa.

    Anyways, I was starting to get nervous in the second half. But the defense was able to hold strong despite a valiant effort by Texas and their backup quarterback. Alabama should be the odds-on favor in the pre-season rankings next season. And I believe Ingram will return.
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    Kindle had flashes, but i was rather underwhelmed with what I saw. Muckelroy stood out to me when he was on the field. That 'Bama LG looked like a manbeast at times...
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    So Jordan Shipley answers the question of whether he can play without McCoy, and does so emphatically. He's a huge part of that offense, and a very good player. Wes Welker MK II? Look at the way he cuts and turns. I'm not sure he's as fast right now, but given time in a pro S&C system, he could be an absolute terror under-neath.

    I thought Muckelroy did himself absolutely no harm at all and probably out-shone McClain just a touch who seemed chippy and upset all game.

    Kindle showed flashes in the passing game, but he seemed to be targeted in the run game. Still, solid.

    Didn't get much chance to see Thomas, Mcelroy was awful and was eaten alive whenever he dropped back.

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    Arenas is propelling himself up draft boards, they wouldn't kick to him, and two nice picks.

    Cody looked ridiculous when he was in there. They got nothing out of the run game all night long.

    Was impressed by that Dareus kid. Nice read for the pick and displayed some moves on the run back. Not bad for a 280lb DE.

    I had questions about Johnson, I didn't think he had the truly correct technique or mean streak in him to play LG in the pro's - wrong. He looked like Logan Mankins out there.

    What can you say about Ingram? Outstanding vision and feet, he looked like a young LdT out there. He's going to go high when he comes out. Was very impressed by Richardson as well, he looks physically mature. Shades of Marion Barber with the way he was running. That run game of theirs is as good as a few NFL teams.
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    Missed a couple - enjoyed Peek's run blocking but his pass-blocking was so so.

    Really like that Soph LB they have, Upshaw. He's been playing at OLB, but looks like he could maybe play inside.

    Deaderick was impressive as well, but he'd need to add a few pounds to play 3-4 DE in the pro's.
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    I was really impressed by Shipley when he was working out of the slot and matched up on the safeties or Areanas.

    OG Mike Johnson and OT Carpenter and TE Peek were animals in the running game, and Jones showed he could block as well. However Carpenter is miserable in pass protection and should move inside at the next level.

    The goal line stand on the first drive was an awesome display of what Cody means to a run defense. Texas had to settle for a field goal. The same thing would have happened in the 4th Q except McClain jumped offside.

    I am seeing more chatter that KC likes Cody more than McClain. This is going to be an interesting draft.
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    Deaderick looked strong at the POA. 6'4" 290, he could play 3-4 de. He'd prob. be available late.
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    Didn't Muckelroy get blasted back on run plays up the middle?

    Also the play where AL ran for a 50 yard TD, Johnson's man was on a stunt and took himself out of the play, I believe.
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    I could hear you banging your head on your keyboard from up here. :)
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    Mk III, you mean. The Patriots already have Mk II. :D
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    Nah, there's only one Edelman :D
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    I wasn't impressed with Cody as most of you were. He's just a big body in there who's good at stopping the run, but the NFL is a pass happy league. He can't play ST either. I wouldn't take him until round 3 as a goal line specialist even if that.
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    Think about what BB wants to do to an opponent, he wants to make an opponent 1 dimensional and then develops exotic schemes to attack that 1 dimension.

    With Mt. Cody, the opponent can not run inside period. With a DE and OLB on either side of Cody, plus 2 MLB's and safeties allowed to roam free, running to the outside is difficult against superior numbers.

    That makes all opponents passers only. Now all we need is a competent secondary and since we have no talented pass rushers, some exotic blitz packages. Which if you think about it is exactly the way Alabama played against Texas.
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    Having a one-dimensional player who can stop the run and stop short yardage plays would a huge asset. This is worth a mid-first whether or not we keep Wilfork for another year.
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    He's not better then Wilfork though? I mean, there are a lot of NT out there that command multiple blockers, but that doesn't shutdown the other team's running attack completely. The plays they call in the NFL are a lot more complex then that.
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    NO, Cody is not better than Wilfork. Only Ochmed believes that.

    However, unless Wilfork is signed to an extension, we will need our nose tackle for the future and it takes a year for college players to learn the position of 3-4 NT.

    For me, the options are few
    1) Extend Wilfork
    2) Sign a free agent NT like Hampton
    3) Sign a top NT in the draft

    I would bring in a NT even if Wilfork is franchised and we don't want to trade him. It would be fine for Cody to play NT and Wilfork DE. Try running against that DL with Warren also at DE!!!


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    Hard to say, he's not going up against NFL OL, so their inability to move him off the LOS isn't a simple apples-to-apples comparison to Wilfork's battles at NT. Could he be as explosive as Wilfork in the passing game if he could drop another 30 pounds? I'd say yes with practice to find the pass rush moves that work for him. At 6'5" he's got longer reach than Wilfork, so if he can get his hands up he's going to be more likely to outreach the OL - he's also going to clog the passing lanes more if he gets penetration - which he's done in the kicking game to block the kicks he's knocked down. I'd consider him a two year project for Coach Woicik to develop, but if he can slim down and become more explosive in the passing game he looks to be at least as good as Wilfork.
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    I also think that the Pats could do some nice things with a "big" 4 man DL like Baltimore used to use with Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa (and still uses at times with Kelly Gregg and Haloti Ngata both inside).
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    As silly as it sounds I still think Mt. Cody is a better run stuffer NOW, than Wilfork is as an NFL Pro Bowler. I have never seen a college player as dominating at his position as Cody. (I am excluding RB Walker of Georgia,who is the only player I have ever seen that I thought should have gone directly to the NFL from high school.)

    I think Mt. Cody can step into our D Line and play from day one and be an improvement in run stopping over Wilfork. Mt. Cody already knows all our DLine signals and calls. Where is the adjustment? The only adjustment I see is that NFL players are stronger. He handled college triple teams easily, I don't see NFL double teams causing him much grief.

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