Welcome to PatsFans.com

Should we expect the defense to rely on the offense?

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Kid~Brady, Sep 16, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Kid~Brady

    Kid~Brady In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2009
    Messages:
    2,808
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Just a thought.

    Me personally, I liked our defense scheme alot better than last seasons in the sense that we are a more aggresive pass rush team rather than the "play coverage" type defense. Of course with new personel on the D-line means they will need time to officially gel with one another before they really become dominant, if that happens this season.

    I honestly think that this season the defense will be leaning on the offense for atleast the first half of the season before they really become a solid unit. I like our 3rd down conversion percentage much better than last seasons, we got adequate pressure on the QB (it will get better) and our rookies, young but good, secondary seems to be clinging on much better.

    Until they gel, Brady and that offense will have to basically carry the load until they do.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2011
  2. HomerSchooled

    HomerSchooled Practice Squad Player

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2010
    Messages:
    236
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I'm inclined to agree, and hopefully that doesn't doom us. I don't expect to win any games where our offense scores less than 24 or so for the first half of the season. Hopefully, things start to slide into place as the year goes on. You want to win in the postseason, you have to be able to do it different ways. People forget the GB and NO offenses had bad playoff games on the way to winning SBs, easily worse than the game our's had in January. Those performances are unavoidable, and we simply haven't been able to afford them. Teams need more balance for championship runs.
     
  3. MrNathanDrake

    MrNathanDrake In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    2,284
    Likes Received:
    298
    Ratings:
    +762 / 31 / -18

    #95 Jersey

    Our defense really helped out a lot last season.

    Remember the Miami game where Ninkovich had a couple INT's, and Chung had 2 blocked kicks and a pick-6?

    The Lions game was another one. I think McCourty had 2 picks that game.

    Chargers last year made some self inflicted errors and our defense capitalized.



    I think our D will be a lot better than people expect. Haynesworth seems like he fully bought into the system and wants to redeem himself.

    Myron Pryor could emerge as a solid player.

    Chung and McCourty are a year older and more experienced. Both will have good years. Bodden coming back, and Dowling addition, we might have the best secondary we've had in years. FS is a question mark though.
     
  4. xmarkd400x

    xmarkd400x 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,745
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    It is ok if the offense bails out the defense. It is not okay if the defense becomes complacent because of the offense.

    I do think that the offense will bail out the defense more than once in the first 8 games of the season.
     
  5. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    33,576
    Likes Received:
    1,476
    Ratings:
    +4,254 / 46 / -16

    We only have the preseason and one week to look at. This is a defense in progress and last weekend showed that defenses all over the league are behind the offenses. Also, I thought the defense's play in between the first drive and the last 9 minutes or so was way underrated last week. The Dolphins got about 30% of their yards after the Welker TD pretty much sealed the game and 84 more yard on the opening drive (opening drives are not a great way to judge the defense because of adjustments haven't been made).

    People are talking about the fact that Henne put up over 400 yards, but there isn't nearly as much talk about the Dolphins only converting 2 of 14 3rd downs or the Dolphins going 3 and out on five possessions.

    The Pats defense still needs to grow quite a bit to be a top tier defense, but the defense always improves during the year under Belichick. I thought it was a very good start based on all the new personnel and scheme for the team. I am sure in a month, they will be worlds better than they were on Monday night.
     
  6. LetsGoPats36

    LetsGoPats36 On the Game Day Roster

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    488
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    For the first half of the season that's a reasonable assumption. If our D isn't a legitimate strength by the second half, we're gonna be in trouble come playoff time again.
     
  7. patsfaninpittsburgh

    patsfaninpittsburgh Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,055
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    The only weakness on this defense is playing with multi score leads in the 4th quarter.

    The defense needs zero bailing out.

    Did you watch the game?

    For three quarters (drives 2-9) the Dolphins did squat. The only thing that made this game even remotely close was the INT.

    I am beginning to think Madden and fantasy football should be outlawed based on the collective harm inflicted on the nation's football IQ.
     
  8. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    33,576
    Likes Received:
    1,476
    Ratings:
    +4,254 / 46 / -16


    yeah, people look at Henne's numbers and just automatically assume the Pats' defense is just as bad or worse than last year. Definitely not the case. The Pats had the Dolphins under 300 yards going into garbage time in the last six minutes of the game. That is where the Dolphins padded their stats.

    The defense wasn't great, but not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
     
  9. patsfaninpittsburgh

    patsfaninpittsburgh Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,055
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Actually, the defense was pretty darn good with the exception of the soft/prevent whatever that is. This is the one area that is baffling because it almost cost us the San Diego game and isn't well executed within the context of situational football.

    It's simply amzing why so many people get caught up in stupid meaningless stats.

    Likewise, it's amazing that reality shows Sanchez level QB's complete 55% of their passes......and patsfans.com is continually shocked another team gains some yards.

    Start with the drive log and before looking determine the correct objectives as per situational football.
     
  10. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    21,712
    Likes Received:
    227
    Ratings:
    +681 / 53 / -21

    1) 4 sacks
    2) allowed 2 of 14 3rd down conversions
    3) had 2 successful goal line stands
    4) shut down their running game except for the quarterback
    5) caused about 20 hurries

    Did we really expect more from the first game of a new defense with lots of new players?

    Miami ws never really in the game. The freak interception made the game seem much closer than it was.

    My CONCLUSION is that this new defense did a fine job in its first effort. And, yes, they will be much better in the second half of the year, when they have had much more time together, and the newcomers know the system better.
    ====================================
    THAT BEING SAID, Miami is a terrible team. We will face much better teams, starting on Sunday. Rivers is a bigger challenge than Henne. We are likely to have a couple of stinkers in the first half of the season.

    My concern is the relative lack of quality at OLB and S. I suspect that our best nickel defense is 4 corners and 1 safety (as opposed to 3 safeties last year). In essence, we cut 2 of our top 3 safeties and didn't replace them. Sure Barrett could perform like Arrington did at corner last year, adequately. I would note that Arrington is now #4 corner, quite reasonable, and a quality asset.

    Is anyone really looking forward to counting on Ninkovich, Cunningham and Anderson as our OLB's.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2011
  11. Kid~Brady

    Kid~Brady In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2009
    Messages:
    2,808
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Whoa Whoa, slow down there tiger.

    I started out by saying that this defense looks better to me then last seasons. This isnt at all based on what Henne did, I meant as a total unit the defense will need time to structure itself. Like someone mentioned, defenses are always harder than offenses in the beggining.

    My point was more generally aimed at the defensed "gelling" more to say before they become a more dominant and stable defense. Of course I watched the game, I've actually watched it more then twice already.

    I like what I saw from the early stages of this defense and I think we have some good games ahead of us. We know what Brady can do with the offense, my focus is on hoping we get the D together as fast as possible so we can have a more balanced unit.

    Thats all :D
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2011
  12. Kid~Brady

    Kid~Brady In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2009
    Messages:
    2,808
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    This.

    its exactly what I was referring too when I made the initial post. Basically I like what I see so far and I believe we could be a better unit than last years defense, aside from the turnovers.

    i just hope it doesnt take all season to get there.
     
  13. patsfaninpittsburgh

    patsfaninpittsburgh Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,055
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    I was actually responding to the guy above me.

    I should have included that post in my post.

    Please accept my apology.
     
  14. Kid~Brady

    Kid~Brady In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2009
    Messages:
    2,808
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Oh LOL my fault too then. I was like man, I'm giving the defense cred lol.

    My fault as well. Thanks
     
  15. Kid~Brady

    Kid~Brady In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2009
    Messages:
    2,808
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    I wouldnt say Miami is a terrible team. They are decent.

    The better question is, should we fear the Bills this season and not the Phins? ;)
     
  16. LiveShot

    LiveShot Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -16

    The Colts relied on the offense and look what happened to them.
     
  17. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    24,152
    Likes Received:
    424
    Ratings:
    +1,696 / 40 / -27

    Actually we played mostly nickel all night, so there really wasnt a difference in the aggression of the scheme. We just have better pass rushers now.

    I don't think there is really a gelling that happens among DL. They are assinged a very sinmple responsibilty on each play, and who they are playing next to doesn't really matter.

    If you are saying the defense will be better at the end of the season, so we can less afford a bad offensive day early than late, then I agree, because that has happened most seasons.
     
  18. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    24,152
    Likes Received:
    424
    Ratings:
    +1,696 / 40 / -27

    Anderson and Cunningham are DEs now.
    Ninkovich is SOLB and Mayo is WOLB. I suppose Fletcher would back up Ninkovich and Guyton would back up Mayo. Really Mayo, Guyton, Fletcher can play multiple positions with Spikes seemingly only a MLB and Ninko a SOLB.
    I think you have to be careful with 4 corners in the nickel, because one area we have struggled for a few years now is run D from the nickel.
     
  19. Brady_to_Moss

    Brady_to_Moss Revis Island is here PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Messages:
    21,128
    Likes Received:
    1,065
    Ratings:
    +2,658 / 20 / -9

    #95 Jersey

    Every game this D will get better and better playing with each other..SD won't be able to run up middle with the two tanks up there
     
  20. PATSYLICIOUS

    PATSYLICIOUS Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    11,266
    Likes Received:
    68
    Ratings:
    +192 / 1 / -3

    #12 Jersey

    I'm not sure if this defense will ever be as good as 2003/2004, I'm guessing no. But it's going to be good enough where it won't have to rely on the offense, it may already be. In the Dolphin game, after the first drive they only gave up 3 points until garbage time. The other TD was on the offense and the fluke INT by Brady.

    It remains to be seen though, we had an impressive outing last year week 1 (until garbage time again) but the next few weeks got pretty ugly. But I expect this D to pick up where it left off last year. If we start getting to the QB we may have a 2003 like defense by season's end.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>