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Should the Patriots ever run a Wildcat offense?

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  1. Fencer

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    People keep bringing up the idea of a Wildcat kind of offense. But I fail to see how that could possibly be a good idea. (I'm assuming Brady is healthy for the purposes of this discussion.)

    1. Running a Wildcat with Brady on the field just sets him up to be hit hard. Using Brady as a WR is not an experiment that should be repeated.

    2. Running a Wildcat without Brady on the field gets Brady off the field. I can not think of a single situation in which I wouldn't want Brady leading the Patriot offense. If the yardage is so short that you clearly want a QB sneak -- well, Brady is actually pretty good at carrying the ball in that scenario. If the yardage is any longer, you want one of the greatest passers in the history of the game to be on the field.

    That doesn't mean we can't have the occasional direct snap, halfback option, or whatever. But those plays should be used against offenses that are forced to respect Brady standing in the pocket, and hence are forced to respect every Patriot eligible receiver.
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    Teams that struggle to score need to do that sort of thing. As long as the Pats have Brady, I like their chances running their regular offense with him taking the snaps. No need to wildcat, the offense is just fine and doesn't need to be fixed.
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    Concur. The wildcat is typically a gimmick for teams that can't score.

    HOF QB + HOF WR + #83 = no need for the wildcat.

    IMHO.
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    The only time I don't want the ball snapped to Brady are the Faulk shotgun direct snap and the Edelman motion QB sneak. No point in taking the ball out of Brady's hands.
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    That's the only scenario I'd ever want to see it in. That said we have more chance to succeed on offense with Tom Brady on the field than off it.
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    They're going to run the wildcat but they need to Kyle Eckel back to run the Flexbone.
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    No need for it. The Pats have one of the highest scoring offenses in the league. Other teams have a very difficult time stopping it. As others have said the wildcat is for teams that have a hard time moving the ball/scoring. I think we'll see a lot of it this week from the Jets.
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    Not until Brady retires.
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    As a rule, I don't want Brady on the field without the ball in his hand. Also, why put him out where he's fair game for a hit. I even get nervous on the "direct snap" plays because I don't want some big lineman running over him to get to the ball. Bad idea all around.
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    Only teams with average or worse QBs use the Wildcat. Not to mention, it's overrated.
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    Since when did Brady become Chad Henne?
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    I can't even picture Brady or Manning lining up at reciever....
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    Brady did it in 01 if I remember correctly. Great play too but that was before he became Tom Brady.
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    Pats have enough on their minds. To run the wildcat. So no, not at all.
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    I think he also did it in 03. It was the game where Patten ran, caught and threw for a TD, IIRC. The ball was snapped directly to the RB, and Brady took off left and up, and caught a pass for a 1st down.
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    I think they should experiment with it with Edelman taking the snaps and Brady off the field. Some sort of sub package with sprint-out option passes where he can look downfield on a short progression or just run. It's another wrinkle to the entire package that makes us a little more unpredictable.
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    Or plays to the point where he is a mediocre QB. When you have a QB as good as Brady he should have the ball in his hand 100% of the plays.
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    I just don't see it unless Brady's health is an issue.

    Maybe if he was playing through some serious injuries and the Pats didn't want to use him on plays where a QB sneak was called for. But in that case why not just send in Hoyer and run a standard play?
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    I don't think its necessary this year. Would have been better to try it during the Matt Cassel year.

    I know its early but I really believe this could turn out to be one of the most productive and well balanced offenses in the history of football.

    When I look at the different ways they can beat you between Moss, Welker, Tate, the two tight ends that can run like WR's, and Faulk out of the backfield. Combined with the power running of Taylor, Sammy & BJGE and #12 at the helm I see some serious challenges for opposing teams.

    This weekend will be a big test and even if the Jets stop the run I just don't know how they're going to account for all the other skill players.
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    I've thought of that. Might have been more worth trying if Cassell weren't decent with his legs himself. I don't recall much in the way of designed runs for him beyond a few quarterback draws, but you also couldn't cheat off of him on the assumption that he would NOT run.
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    The dophins have gotten significantly better yards per attempt using the Wildcat than with normal run plans. I think it would be especially useful when you need to gain very short yardage because with the direct snap you can eliminate the QB and have a extra blocker.
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    Very True, the wildcat is for teams that really don't trust their QB. It looks like this team fixed some of its offensive problems from last year and the old saying is If it aint broke don't fix it.
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    But if you have an excellent QB and receivers, you can spread out and soften the run defense in those situations.

    If I'm the defense, would I rather single-cover Moss against an imitation QB, or double-cover him vs. Brady? It's a pretty close call. Having an imitation QB in vs. Brady doesn't really improve the balance of forces for rushing attempts.
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    Do not see it either, first of all we want Brady to control the O... and then to neutralize Moss, Welker and our whole host of characters does not seem in the best interest of this team..

    Cringe at the thought of Brady lining up as a WR....
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    I agree. If we're going to run any wildcat variant, it should be with Edelman and Brady off the field. I'd rather keep Brady and our conventional offense in place though. I think it was Kraft who said he couldn't imagine doing anything that takes the ball out of his HOF QB's hands.

    But any little wrinkle to make the other team prepare for it isn't a bad thing. I'd have preferred the Pats to run a few stupid wildcat plays last week, burrow into the line for no gain, and have the Jets thinking about it for this week.

    Alternatively, with Edelman in the game, we could run something like the Broncos did last year (why did the media call it wild horses? So stupid...). And if the defense re-sets and looks favourable, bring Brady back under center.
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    That was in 2001, and it was a different game than the Patten game.

    Faulk took a direct snap and ran to the right, then tossed it back across the field to Brady for a 20+ yard gain. It was the last regular season game at Foxboro Stadium against Miami.

    The Patten game was in Indy earlier in the season.
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    Totally agree....... Pats have no need for that HS gimmick crap as a production tool.

    ...... on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if BB had a few plays desiged with Edelman lined up under center just to d!ck with the opponents. I would expect it to be whipped out against an opponent that likely talked a little smack the week before or that BB otherwise despises.

    He has a total history of doing stuff like this. Look at the Brady --> Moss --> Brady --> Gaffney play against Pittsburgh. That was a totally "choke on this" from Belichick to that trash-talking CB that they installed the week of the game. That, among many reasons, is part of the reason I love our coach so much..... Well, that and the three rings of course ;)

    Ummmmmm, Expect Brady to be safely on the sidelines, giggling with the rest or the team as they watch the Defense have a serious WTF??? moment as Welker 2.0 lines up in shotgun.....

    EDIT- Oops, I see that this was already mentioned. Sorry, just read the first couple pages.
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    Excellent, and thank you. At my age things tend to muddle a bit here and there. I remember the play with Brady lining up on the left WR position, and catching the pass. he also went out of bounds to keep from being hit. Smart kid, that Brady! :cool:
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    If you were to poll the defensive coaches and players of the teams playing the Pats in the next 15 games you will get a 100% unanimous "yes" from all of them that the Pats should run the wildcat and take the ball out of Tom Brady's hands.
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    How much can you really spread the defense out in the end zone?
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