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  1. JR4

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    Re: Samuel Signed

    FINALLY...and Chris Patrick released...NO surprise there...
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Hey Asante, cool - you're dumb AND a wuss. Nice bend over, loser. Now get on the field.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Yeah, the big news, Patriots Release Patrick. Painful loss!
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Who is Chris Patrick? :confused:

    I honestly don't remember seeing him on the roster.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    He was an OL that the Giants released a week or so ago.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    I disagree. He was a free agent - and had no obligation to be in camp. Staying in shape, while minimizing the threat of injuries in pre-season games and still collecting one's full one year guaranteed salary is smart as far as I'm concerned.

    No, it's not "team first" but I don't fault Samuel for attempting to minimize his risk of injury. All the posturing I can do without, but overall - if it were me, I wouldn't report until now either.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    I fault him now for showing up late, and then trying some B.S. leverage play. It's idiotic - and his behavior all the way back to the Globe article prior to the playoff game has been just that, idiotic. And there's every reason to think he'll be MORE likely to get hurt, given his lack of real football action.

    Whatever, he's back, he'll be good, I just think he's a tool. Especially after the "show up to sign and then not sign" fiasco. Just a total lame move.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Whew! I had a slight concern (alleviated by his presence yesterday) that he'd be silly and wait a few weeks, even to week 10. I know it wouldn't make fiscal sense but occasionally (read Ty law) wounded pride gets in the way. Welcome back Asante!
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Actually he wasn't a free agent per se...more in a no man's land..not signed with the club and yet, unable to play for another team at that point. Not able to be fined if holding out, but tied to the Pats. A bit of both which makes it more difficult.
    As far as injuries goes, I think trying to get into game shape quickly, being behind, makes the chances of injury greater, not less, as he will be pressing to catch up. I think that has been stated in other threads quite well.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    You're right on. He wasted everyone's time with all the shenanigans.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    I don't blame him a bit either. After all, the same supposedly nonexistent leverage got Lance Briggs a million bucks and a promise not to franchise again. It's worth a try.

    Great to have him back. I feel mighty good about a secondary lineup of Hobbs, Samuel, Gay, Harrison, Wilson, Sanders, Meriweather. Mighty, mighty good.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    that's true up to a point, Joe, Once it was clear that he was coming back before the regular season started and he wasn't going to get what he wanted from the Pats, he had an obligation to back in time to make sure he'd be ready for the first game.

    He has not missed 40-50 practices, he also missed all the meeting and film time. Not only that he also missed all the off season mini camps and OTAs. It is highly doubtful that he'll be ready and at top speed for at least 3-4 weeks.

    HE may collect that $485,000 for the Jet game, but there is no way he will earn it, by being the elite CB we paid for.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Disagree on the first point. It was NEVER worth a try, IMO, b/c the Patriots are not the Bears. They're far more shrewd and tough in negotiations, a long history of being so. We also, just roster-wise, don't NEED Asante the way the Bears probably need Briggs.

    As for it being great to have him back...despite my vitriol, I too am pleased to have Asante back in the fold. That's a really, REALLY good secondary. Hope they stay healthy this year.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Asante coming off the bench for the first few games - if that's a luxury we can afford. I'd love it if Gay and Hobbs can hold down the fort - not for spite so much (that would be an added benefit) but b/c it would speak well of their development, particularly Gay's.
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    It was worth a try because he had nothing to lose by signing a day later. His chance of success may not have been great, but there was zero risk, except our wrath as fans, and we forget things like that the first time he returns an INT for a TD, or earlier.
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    Who cares how he got here as long as he's here. Welcome back Asante.

    As far as him coming off the bench, I'd only do that if he looks rusty in his first few days of practice and I'd possibly only do that for the first game of the year. At the end of last year, I thought he and Ellis made a perfect tandem. I know Blue's been playing well, but it's only preseason and I would rather try and keep him as healthy as possible by only bringing him in to cover the slot and during nickel and dime packages.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    He's only "obliged" to do what his contract and the CBA says he's obliged to do. Like you, I wish his sense of obligation extended to what we both seem to perceive as the greater good of the team, but it did not nor did it have to. He did what he perceived as being in his own best interests. He was entitled to do that, whatever any of us think.

    Let's move on.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    I know longer consider him part of the team. He's just a disgruntled mercinary.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    The current system (CAP, Free Agency and Franchise Tag) makes a lot of players "mercenaries" these days. The Patriots have been fortunate to have a core of guys who seem committed to the Franchise's long term success. That's not true for a lot of teams.

    As for "disgruntled," I don't think any player who is trying to play at the highest level, as Asante certainly seems to claim he does, can afford expending psychic energy on indeed being disgruntled. He has only one objective: play his best and command the greatest possible deal at the end of the Season.
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    He's back

    He's on our team this year, right now.

    We are a stronger team as a result.

    Nothing else matters to me.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    I think this is a BIG point in all this and it's NOT just about Mr Sanuel but any Franchised player that sits out some of camp. What obligation does a player have to be ready for that First Game and first paycheck?? If a player is getting paid like one of the top players shouldn't he be ready to be playing like that? In this case it MIGHT be possible that Samuel will collect 3-4 checks and not be in top form.
    The Samuel rumpswabs have sidestepped this question totally, but it also pertains to others in that situation. Yes he does NOT have to appear at camp..he doesn't have to be there until the week before to get the check, I think ALL KNOW what HE CAN DO; what is LEGAL..but we are not talking what he CAN do here. The question to me is one of character, obligation and professionalism. Simply put does one have a problem with a player collecting Franchise money, top money while they are NOT playing in top form due to late arrival and NOT being ready?? I think that is quite legitimate a question. I do have a problem with it..and to me it's a character issue and one of basically grabbing the money and not caring. (I also think in Samuel's case he thinks he WILL be ready..so it's aopen as to IF..) But I really wonder how others feel about it and whether they are OK with it. We all know he doesn't have to be there..but since one is being paid top dollar, shouldn't a player be in top shape and ready?
    What does it say about a player that is NOT ready?
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Quite frankly, if you could play corner at a near probowl level, your opinion on this would matter.
    Asante Samuel is paid to play football, and his decision making regarding his contract is part of the package. While it would be nice if his decision making in this area was as Pollyannic as yours, its one or the other, and I'll take the combination that wins us football games.

    I becomes increasing frustrating to see fans with absolutely no personal stake in a players life hold them to standards that only exist with no personal stake.
    We will never build a Super Bowl caliber team of athletes that think like toll booth collectors and have no ego. They are good players partly because they have an ego.
    There is just not such a universe where human beings turn in to top skilled athletes, make all the sacrifices necessary to do so, have the confidence and ego to be that good, and make decisions based on what Joe Fan wishes would happen, when Joe Fans only motivation is what is best for the organization he roots for, at the expense of what is best for the individuals.

    Why dont you go and turn yourself into a probowl level corner, get franchised, deal with that situation by capitulating to whatever the team wants, then go around calling someone IN THE SAME SITUATION AS YOU an IDIOT a TOOL, and LAME, and profess that you know better what he should do than he does himself.
    Since that will never happen, how about choosing door #2: Be a fan, talk about football, and drop the character judgments you are so quick to make about someone who you know nothing about. One thing I do know is Asante Samuel has enough character to put in the hard work and dedication, and make the sacrifcies necessary to be a top professional athlete. That is a lot more character than I am seeing you show. Where character judgments are concerned asante samuel seems a lot more qualified to make them than you do.
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    I wonder if he'll take more chance for the big play and get burned this season...
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    I think I saw at least 3 of his interceptions that appeared to be a planned stunt. Where he checked off the deep receiver to the free safety and jumped the underneath route. You could see it in Belichick's reaction...and I didn't see that many games.

    I wonder if those opportunities will be given to other players (Hobbs).

    As I type this, I think...nah...that would be petty and I don't think this organization is that way.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    I think that remains to be seen. A guy like Asante is the best possible case for missing camp: 5th year in the system and the same entire secondary he's used to playing alongside back with him. Richard Seymour is in a similar situation, and if Seymour were cleared to practice today I suspect we'd all shout hallelujah and fully expect him to start against the Jets.
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    Re: Samuel Signed

    Agreed. There's quite a difference in being prepared mentally and physically. He'll take part in full game planning and be able to get in some work. As long as he can condition his body for the game, I expect to see Samuel in for plays against the Jets. The concern is that he sees spot duty and is not taxed where injury is the risk.

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