Samuel signed, Patrick released

[JR4]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

 

[Pats726]

Re: Samuel Signed

FINALLY...and Chris Patrick released...NO surprise there...

 

[patsox23]

Re: Samuel Signed

Hey Asante, cool - you're dumb AND a wuss. Nice bend over, loser. Now get on the field.

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: Samuel Signed

Yeah, the big news, Patriots Release Patrick. Painful loss!

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Samuel Signed

Yeah, the big news, Patriots Release Patrick. Painful loss!

Who is Chris Patrick?

I honestly don't remember seeing him on the roster.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Samuel Signed

He was an OL that the Giants released a week or so ago.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Samuel Signed

Hey Asante, cool - you're dumb AND a wuss. Nice bend over, loser. Now get on the field.

I disagree. He was a free agent - and had no obligation to be in camp. Staying in shape, while minimizing the threat of injuries in pre-season games and still collecting one's full one year guaranteed salary is smart as far as I'm concerned.

No, it's not "team first" but I don't fault Samuel for attempting to minimize his risk of injury. All the posturing I can do without, but overall - if it were me, I wouldn't report until now either.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Samuel Signed

I fault him now for showing up late, and then trying some B.S. leverage play. It's idiotic - and his behavior all the way back to the Globe article prior to the playoff game has been just that, idiotic. And there's every reason to think he'll be MORE likely to get hurt, given his lack of real football action.

Whatever, he's back, he'll be good, I just think he's a tool. Especially after the "show up to sign and then not sign" fiasco. Just a total lame move.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Samuel Signed

Whew! I had a slight concern (alleviated by his presence yesterday) that he'd be silly and wait a few weeks, even to week 10. I know it wouldn't make fiscal sense but occasionally (read Ty law) wounded pride gets in the way. Welcome back Asante!

 

[Pats726]

Re: Samuel Signed

I disagree. He was a free agent - and had no obligation to be in camp. Staying in shape, while minimizing the threat of injuries in pre-season games and still collecting one's full one year guaranteed salary is smart as far as I'm concerned.

No, it's not "team first" but I don't fault Samuel for attempting to minimize his risk of injury. All the posturing I can do without, but overall - if it were me, I wouldn't report until now either.

Actually he wasn't a free agent per se...more in a no man's land..not signed with the club and yet, unable to play for another team at that point. Not able to be fined if holding out, but tied to the Pats. A bit of both which makes it more difficult.
As far as injuries goes, I think trying to get into game shape quickly, being behind, makes the chances of injury greater, not less, as he will be pressing to catch up. I think that has been stated in other threads quite well.

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Samuel Signed

I fault him now for showing up late, and then trying some B.S. leverage play. It's idiotic - and his behavior all the way back to the Globe article prior to the playoff game has been just that, idiotic. And there's every reason to think he'll be MORE likely to get hurt, given his lack of real football action.

Whatever, he's back, he'll be good, I just think he's a tool. Especially after the "show up to sign and then not sign" fiasco. Just a total lame move.

You're right on. He wasted everyone's time with all the shenanigans.

 

[pats1]

Re: Samuel Signed

Who is Chris Patrick?

I honestly don't remember seeing him on the roster.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=58730

 

[patchick]

Re: Samuel Signed

I disagree. He was a free agent - and had no obligation to be in camp. Staying in shape, while minimizing the threat of injuries in pre-season games and still collecting one's full one year guaranteed salary is smart as far as I'm concerned.

No, it's not "team first" but I don't fault Samuel for attempting to minimize his risk of injury. All the posturing I can do without, but overall - if it were me, I wouldn't report until now either.

I don't blame him a bit either. After all, the same supposedly nonexistent leverage got Lance Briggs a million bucks and a promise not to franchise again. It's worth a try.

Great to have him back. I feel mighty good about a secondary lineup of Hobbs, Samuel, Gay, Harrison, Wilson, Sanders, Meriweather. Mighty, mighty good.

 

[patfanken]

Re: Samuel Signed

I disagree. He was a free agent - and had no obligation to be in camp. Staying in shape, while minimizing the threat of injuries in pre-season games and still collecting one's full one year guaranteed salary is smart as far as I'm concerned.

No, it's not "team first" but I don't fault Samuel for attempting to minimize his risk of injury. All the posturing I can do without, but overall - if it were me, I wouldn't report until now either.

that's true up to a point, Joe, Once it was clear that he was coming back before the regular season started and he wasn't going to get what he wanted from the Pats, he had an obligation to back in time to make sure he'd be ready for the first game.

He has not missed 40-50 practices, he also missed all the meeting and film time. Not only that he also missed all the off season mini camps and OTAs. It is highly doubtful that he'll be ready and at top speed for at least 3-4 weeks.

HE may collect that $485,000 for the Jet game, but there is no way he will earn it, by being the elite CB we paid for.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Samuel Signed

I don't blame him a bit either. After all, the same supposedly nonexistent leverage got Lance Briggs a million bucks and a promise not to franchise again. It's worth a try.

Great to have him back. I feel mighty good about a secondary lineup of Hobbs, Samuel, Gay, Harrison, Wilson, Sanders, Meriweather. Mighty, mighty good.

Disagree on the first point. It was NEVER worth a try, IMO, b/c the Patriots are not the Bears. They're far more shrewd and tough in negotiations, a long history of being so. We also, just roster-wise, don't NEED Asante the way the Bears probably need Briggs.

As for it being great to have him back...despite my vitriol, I too am pleased to have Asante back in the fold. That's a really, REALLY good secondary. Hope they stay healthy this year.

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Samuel Signed

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=58730

Thanks Pats1. I must have missed that move.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Samuel Signed

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Asante coming off the bench for the first few games - if that's a luxury we can afford. I'd love it if Gay and Hobbs can hold down the fort - not for spite so much (that would be an added benefit) but b/c it would speak well of their development, particularly Gay's.

 

[Pujo]

It was worth a try because he had nothing to lose by signing a day later. His chance of success may not have been great, but there was zero risk, except our wrath as fans, and we forget things like that the first time he returns an INT for a TD, or earlier.

 

[BadMoFo]

Who cares how he got here as long as he's here. Welcome back Asante.

As far as him coming off the bench, I'd only do that if he looks rusty in his first few days of practice and I'd possibly only do that for the first game of the year. At the end of last year, I thought he and Ellis made a perfect tandem. I know Blue's been playing well, but it's only preseason and I would rather try and keep him as healthy as possible by only bringing him in to cover the slot and during nickel and dime packages.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Samuel Signed

that's true up to a point, Joe, Once it was clear that he was coming back before the regular season started and he wasn't going to get what he wanted from the Pats, he had an obligation to back in time to make sure he'd be ready for the first game.

He has not missed 40-50 practices, he also missed all the meeting and film time. Not only that he also missed all the off season mini camps and OTAs. It is highly doubtful that he'll be ready and at top speed for at least 3-4 weeks.

HE may collect that $485,000 for the Jet game, but there is no way he will earn it, by being the elite CB we paid for.

He's only "obliged" to do what his contract and the CBA says he's obliged to do. Like you, I wish his sense of obligation extended to what we both seem to perceive as the greater good of the team, but it did not nor did it have to. He did what he perceived as being in his own best interests. He was entitled to do that, whatever any of us think.

Let's move on.