Rolling assets to the next season

[Fencer]

Obviously, the patriots will not pay Connolly $3M to be a backup. It seems that his staying depends on whether we decide to pay Wendell.

That's not so obvious. Paying starter money to a #6 OL could make a lot of sense, assuming he could fill in if any of the other 5 go down. And he could -- Connolly plays all 3 interior positions, Cannon (who you evidently assume is the starting RG) can swing out to RT, and Vollmer can swing to LT.

However, if one of Solder or Vollmer is injured, and Svitek gets the nod over Connolly, then you indeed have a point.

 

[ATippett56]

That's not so obvious. Paying starter money to a #6 OL could make a lot of sense, assuming he could fill in if any of the other 5 go down. And he could -- Connolly plays all 3 interior positions, Cannon (who you evidently assume is the starting RG) can swing out to RT, and Vollmer can swing to LT.

I must be missing something here.

Since when is Marcus Cannon a better starting offensive guard than Dan Connolly?

 

[ATippett56]

In the end, I just fail to see how our situation differs from most of the competitive teams in the least.

I could care less about the other teams in the NFL vis-a-vis the 2014 NFL salary cap.

 

[Miguel]

#3 thru #25 of all NFL lineman or left offensive tackles?

» Over the Cap- Top NFL Contracts: Left Tackle

http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Nate Solder&Position=LT&Team=Patriots

Based upon the average salary cap hit of #3 thru #25 left offensive tackles for the 2013 NFL Season, the salary cap hit for Nate Solder during the 2015 NFL Season would be $5.547 million as compared to a salary cap hit of $2.717 million during the 2014 NFL Season.

All offensive lineman

Earlier this summer I tried to project what his tender would be
Ryan Clady Broncos 12,600,000 1
Joe Thomas Browns 11,200,000 2
Chris Snee Giants 11,000,000 3
Jason Peters Eagles 10,942,000 4
Logan Mankins Patriots 10,000,000 5
Brandon Albert Chiefs 9,828,000 6
Russell Okung Seahawks 9,340,000 7
Nick Mangold Jets 8,517,100 8
Trent Williams Redskins 7,985,198 9
Justin Blalock Falcons 7,660,000 10
Michael Roos Titans 7,500,000 11
Gosder Cherilius Colts 7,500,000 11
Marshal Yanda Ravens 7,450,000 13
Daryn Colledge Cardinals 7,275,000 14
David Stewart Titans 7,000,000 15
David Diehl Giants 6,803,125 16
Andrew Whitworth Bengals 6,550,000 17
Jahri Evans Saints 6,540,000 18
Doug Free Cowboys 6,520,000 19
Scott Wells Rams 6,500,000 20
Ryan Kalil Panthers 6,150,000 21
Levi Brown Cardinals 6,150,000 21
Sam Baker Falcons 6,050,000 23
Eugene Amano Titans 6,000,250 24
Max Unger Seahawks 6,000,000 25
Andre Smith Bengals 6,000,000 25
Eugene Monroe Jaguars 5,542,500 27

I came out to 7,620,029 or rounded to 7,620,000

 

[ctpatsfan77]

All offensive lineman

Earlier this summer I tried to project what his tender would be
Ryan Clady Broncos 12,600,000 1
Joe Thomas Browns 11,200,000 2
Chris Snee Giants 11,000,000 3
Jason Peters Eagles 10,942,000 4
Logan Mankins Patriots 10,000,000 5
Brandon Albert Chiefs 9,828,000 6
Russell Okung Seahawks 9,340,000 7
Nick Mangold Jets 8,517,100 8
Trent Williams Redskins 7,985,198 9
Justin Blalock Falcons 7,660,000 10
Michael Roos Titans 7,500,000 11
Gosder Cherilius Colts 7,500,000 11
Marshal Yanda Ravens 7,450,000 13
Daryn Colledge Cardinals 7,275,000 14
David Stewart Titans 7,000,000 15
David Diehl Giants 6,803,125 16
Andrew Whitworth Bengals 6,550,000 17
Jahri Evans Saints 6,540,000 18
Doug Free Cowboys 6,520,000 19
Scott Wells Rams 6,500,000 20
Ryan Kalil Panthers 6,150,000 21
Levi Brown Cardinals 6,150,000 21
Sam Baker Falcons 6,050,000 23
Eugene Amano Titans 6,000,250 24
Max Unger Seahawks 6,000,000 25
Andre Smith Bengals 6,000,000 25
Eugene Monroe Jaguars 5,542,500 27

I came out to 7,620,029 or rounded to 7,620,000

Without having access to the numbers, I figured it should be a bit higher than the #14 salary, so that sounds right.

[As a side note, Tyron Smith, drafted #9, will cost the Cowboys something like $10M. (The formula is more baroque, so it's not as simple as averaging the salaries, but doing so gives the latter number.]

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I could care less about the other teams in the NFL vis-a-vis the 2014 NFL salary cap.

But the key point is that the salary cap doesn't exist in a vacuum. It doesn't matter if, say, Talib wants $10M a year but no one else he wants to play for has enough cap room to offer him that.

Yes, the Patriots are going to have to work to keep most of their stars. But guess what—so does every team in the league. There just isn't enough money going around for every one to get what they want. As I pointed out before, keeping Brady means having at least a few vet min contracts.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I would think that one could say the practice was continued in 2013, as they traded out of the first round again and took advantage of a deeper draft in the middle rounds.



Belichick has always done a great job of making the team as competitive as possible while also keeping an eye towards the future. Rolling money over is especially important during the past couple/few yrs in a relatively flat cap era.

If the talent is there and he feels that the value is right, he'll go after a player available, but he won't overpay at any position. An argument could be made that he didn't properly take advantage of the buyer's market this offseason with lower salaries for guys that may have been needed, so that's really my only gripe lately.

I understand that the 2014 season will also be a flat, no CAP increase season. Then the cap will resume its climb 2015 an beyond. BB is preparing for that 2014 eventuality.

It is interesting and amusing to observe BB change draft approaches as the conditions of his team changes. When he needed large numbers of young players to rebuild the squad post 2008, he traded down for additional picks. When the team was essentially rebuilt, he chose to draft up and select a few "playmakers", in 2012 confounding all.

This totally confounds draftniks who thinks he should be consistently one way. Why? The draftnik critics have latched on to the criticism, that has gained some "conventional wisdom" currency, that BB can't draft secondary players.

I beg to differ. He can't seem to catch a break, and good secondary draftees end up injured and out of football. Plus in the secondary you need a dozen players, which is an abnormally large amount compared to other squads.

This season he said enough with the WR patches, lets fix it,and add to the DTs. I suppose the draft critics will complain that bringing a potentially high pick from Canada was wrong. But I don't know how BB was supposed to be clairvoyent, and predict an infection, that hadn't happened yet, just like some of the injuries to his secondary picks.

Consider:
Leigh Bodden was a Keeper, until he suffered a career ending injury.
Ras-i Dowling appeared tot be a Keeper but injuries ruined his career.
Ty Wheatly could never prove whether he was a Keeper, as injuries to his wrists were career ending.

Only Darius Butler provides a valid BB mistake. But it wasn't a drafting mistake; he just gave up on him too soon. He now starts at CB for the 11-5 Colts, and joins others like Spires, and Minnifield who went on to star elsewhere.

Just those four if healthy, would form a pretty good secondary, perhaps.

 

[supafly]

I could care less about the other teams in the NFL vis-a-vis the 2014 NFL salary cap.

How are we anywhere near a bad cap or free agency situation for 2014? We could start there.

You're acting like there's some huge problem somewhere, yet I'm not seeing it.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, because this is getting to be a waste of time for everyone involved.

 

[ATippett56]

How are we anywhere near a bad cap or free agency situation for 2014? We could start there.

The New England Patriots already have committed $119.5 million towards the 2014 NFL Salary Cap with only 48 players under contract according to the link below:

» Over the Cap- New England Patriots 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

The following New England Patriots will be unrestricted free agents for the 2014 NFL Season:

Blount
Washington (if re-signed after week 1)
Hoomanawanui
Edelman
Wendell
Svitek
Green
Ninkovich
Cunningham
Spikes
Fletcher
Talib
Cole

The following New England Patriots will be restricted free agents for the 2014 NFL Season:

Aiken

The $119.5 million committed towards the 2014 NFL Salary Cap is based upon Top 51 accounting rules and does not take into account the following:

Player 52
Player 53
Injured Reserve List
Physically Unable to Perform List
Practice Squad

 

[ATippett56]

Attention Miguel,

For your PatsCap webpage:

Marquice Cole's new contract in focus - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Cole was re-signed by the team in free agency to a one-year, minimum-salary contract that paid him a base value of $715,000.

Cole's newest deal, again for one year, will pay him $715,000 in base salary, but he now has the right to earn up to $1 million for the season through playing-time incentives.

The following are his benchmarks:

25 percent of defensive snaps: $95,000
35 percent of defensive snaps: $190,000
45 percent of defensive snaps: $285,000

LTBE or NLTBE incentives?

 

[Miguel]

Attention Miguel,

For your PatsCap webpage:

Marquice Cole's new contract in focus - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston



LTBE or NLTBE incentives?

NTLBE incentives since he played less than 25 percent last year.

 

[ATippett56]

Attention Miguel,

For your PatsCap webpage:

Details on Michael Hoomanawanui's restructure - ESPN Boston

Tight end Michael Hoomanawanui restructured his contract, which was a one-year deal that would have paid him a base salary of $1.3 million this season.

Here are the new details:

Base salary
$630,000

Split
$358,000 (for full season if he lands on reserve list)

Incentives
$125,000 if he plays 25 percent of snaps
$250,000 if he plays 35 percent of snaps
$370,000 if he plays 45 percent of snaps

LTBE or NLTBE incentives?

 

[ATippett56]

NTLBE incentives since he played less than 25 percent last year.

So if Cole hits any of the bonus markers that would debited towards the 2014 NFL Salary Cap and not the 2013 NFL Salary Cap?

 

[supafly]

The New England Patriots already have committed $119.5 million towards the 2014 NFL Salary Cap with only 48 players under contract according to the link below:

» Over the Cap- New England Patriots 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

The following New England Patriots will be unrestricted free agents for the 2014 NFL Season:

Blount
Washington (if re-signed after week 1)
Hoomanawanui
Edelman
Wendell
Svitek
Green
Ninkovich
Cunningham
Spikes
Fletcher
Talib
Cole

The following New England Patriots will be restricted free agents for the 2014 NFL Season:

Aiken

The $119.5 million committed towards the 2014 NFL Salary Cap is based upon Top 51 accounting rules and does not take into account the following:

Player 52
Player 53
Injured Reserve List
Physically Unable to Perform List
Practice Squad

You keep repeating the same facts over and over like it's going to somehow change something. They are currently about 7 million under with plenty of ways to free up more money, and don't have more than a few players who they really need to look at as "core" guys moving forward.

It's no different than any other year, aside from the fact that they've been strategically planning for a larger FA class of '15 as opposed to the normal year.

I still fail to see what the major concern is for 2014.

 

[ATippett56]

You keep repeating the same facts over and over like it's going to somehow change something. They are currently about 7 million under with plenty of ways to free up more money, and don't have more than a few players who they really need to look at as "core" guys moving forward.

It's no different than any other year, aside from the fact that they've been strategically planning for a larger FA class of '15 as opposed to the normal year.

I still fail to see what the major concern is for 2014.

We agree to disagree.

 

[supafly]

We agree to disagree.

Fair enough.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Attention Miguel,

For your PatsCap webpage:

Details on Michael Hoomanawanui's restructure - ESPN Boston



LTBE or NLTBE incentives?

(A) According to Football Outsiders, it's NLTBE, because he played 23% of offensive snaps last year.

(B) In the grand scheme of things, even if they take a $375K cap hit next year, they're still coming out ahead of where they were, since he was supposed to make $1.3M for the season.

 

[ATippett56]

(B) In the grand scheme of things, even if they take a $375K cap hit next year, they're still coming out ahead of where they were, since he was supposed to make $1.3M for the season.

NLTBE incentives are debited the following year?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

NLTBE incentives are debited the following year?

IIRC, NLTBE incentives that are earned reduce the following year's cap by the appropriate amount, while LTBE incentives that are not earned are credited to the following year's cap.

 

[mgteich]

I believe that you have it right.

IIRC, NLTBE incentives that are earned reduce the following year's cap by the appropriate amount, while LTBE incentives that are not earned are credited to the following year's cap.