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    ... Reiss himself doesn't make this clarification but I think it's important to note that this all falls into the category of "if the season started today"...

    I haven't thought - and looking at this roster REALLY don't think - that the team is done making moves yet... I expect there will be more pickups of cut players and/or trades

    That being said, I can see a few weak links in the chain - though also believe that some of the lesser players can step up and play their roles well.

    New England Patriots mailbag: Laying a foundation through the NFL draft - ESPN Boston

    On offense, I'd like to see some more depth and competition there. Although we don't know what Tate might do, a competition between he and Hold doesn't fill one with confidence. I am however, confident that Edelman can be a Welker-Lite.

    That being said, I'd have to think Hernandez might be added to the mix as an additional TE on the field - which could make things interesting.

    Aside from that I'll be rooting for some UDFA RBs but unlike most, I think our RBs are ok seeing as I expect the pass to set up the run and not the other way around.

    On Defense I see few areas of concern. I like a lot of what I've seen from Ninkovich - I'm just not sure I've seen enough to write him in as the starting OLB. I like TBC too but when he's your best OLB I think you can upgrade the position.

    Mike Wright and Gerard Warren as potential starters at RDE? Again, why doesn't that fill me with confidence?

    I actually do agree with Spikes at ILB - I think they got a steal with him. But still, to have him penciled in at this stage indicates that's not a position of strength on the team.

    Bodden, Butler, and Chung too - all have some great potential - whether they'll consistently deliver is another question.

    I actually wouldn't be all that surprised to see McCourty make a challenge. He has the skills and was a "reach" because of the lack of INTs - but I think Belichick values his ability to hit/tackle - and appreciates his willingness to play a role in a zone, rather than freelance for stats. He could be the anti-Ty Law - but in a good way.

    So still room - and still time - for some improved depth and competition by my view.
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    Hernandez is, in effect, a competitor for one of the WR slots.

    Why is G. Warren ranked over D. Lewis?

    What possible move could secure an ILB starter better than the guys now on the roster, at least one who would make any sense to acquire given the resources invested in the position?

    Agree re McCourty.

    Lots of competition for Ninkovich's spot.
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    I dont think Spikes will be ahead of Guyton day 1. I also dont think we'll be running a 3-4 day 1 either.
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    Not a lot of change from last year's season ending crew. Hopefully, the coaching will be better and the team execution will be better.
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    everything looks right except chung...i dont see him as being able to start at beginning of season

    sanders is the starter paired with meriweather there
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    I really am tired of watching Maroney dance.

    The kid has talent, but no football insticts.

    Please Bill... go get a RB....

    I prefer Taylor & Morris to Maroney, but you know both of those guys
    will get hurt at some point.

    I will be rooting for Pat Pachall in the preseason.

    Anybody but Maroney.
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    Why? and Why? Guyton isnt very good, has trouble against the run and shedding blockers. I think he will be the 3rd ILB this year. Spikes is a great player with outstanding football instincts to make up for his lack of speed. I definitely see him in the middle next to Mayo. And BB would never switch to a 4-3 with this team. What makes you think we're switching to a 4-3, when he passed on Odrick, twice in the draft
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    BJGE is my guy.
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    Offense looks good, defense looks just Ok.
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    I hear a lot of people talking about the 4-3, just curious who do you think the staring front 7 would be. Either way 4-3, 3-4 will still don't have an outside pass rushers.
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    Crable has a chance to prove himself and earn a starting spot on this team. It will be interesting to see and could really be a bonus if he has a great training camp and pre season and takes it into the regular season. BB has to be confident in his playing abilities or else I think he would have addressed the pass rush in the first round even if it meant trading up
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    For the same reason you dont see other rookies starting on a BB team. I'm not saying it's not possible, just not likely. Right now, we have no idea what we have with these rookies. At least with Guyton we know he can play.
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    It's hard to say at this point. I think we are definitely missing an DE in the 4-3, and a DE and OLB for the 3-4. So if i gave you a starting 7 it would be with ? marks. Unless Cunningham steps up, and he was taken with a high pick, then we'll need to look into FA at some point.
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    We know what Guyton can do, I wouldnt say he can "play". He really isnt a very good LB. I know that we dont know what these rookies will do and how they will adjust I just feel that Spikes over Guyton is the way to go and if Spikes doesnt work out then we can always move Guyton back to a starting role. I know its sort of a slap in the face to Guyton but when you play for BB its all about putting the best team on the field that given week that gives you the best chance to win.
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    The problem with switching to a 4-3 as a base is it really means a fundamental shift in how your d-linemen approach their assignments. Wilfork and Warren are built and trained to be 3-4 players. I'm sure we could move them inside to play DT, but it's still not their best consistent position, and then who are our ends? Wright (ok), Warren (who knows), Lewis (again, unknown), we'd have very little talent at 2 line positions instead of just 1 in a 3-4.

    As for the linebackers, with Mayo, Guyton, Spikes, and McKenzie, we have the potential for a very good, young, ILB rotation. Moving to a 4-3 would negate that a bit, and still would leave us with a shortage of talented OLBs. I really don't see the advantage of switching to a 4-3 as the base at all with the current group. It's great for some situations in a game, but we're built to be a 3-4 team.

    Exactly. Unless you're talking about a top ten pick, you've got to assume the incumbent is the starter on a BB team until the rookie comes in and steals the job. I wouldn't be surprised if Spikes won it, but until we even see him in an OTA, Guyton is the starter.

    Also, starter is a somewhat loose term in the NFL... if we're playing the Colts and they come out with three wide plus Dallas Clark, we might see a nickel with Mayo, TBC, and Guyton as the 3 LB's to give us more speed. The "starters" change week to week.
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    Reiss has a blindspot called 'Cunningham syndrome' which does not allow him to acknowledge certain players from time to time.

    That is my armchair diagnosis anyway. :D
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    If Tully Banta-Cain and Rob Ninkovich are starting at OLB for this team, I'm not even going to bother watching these games.
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    With Cunningham learning a new position and new stance in a complicated BB defense, I would think that he will not start game 1, unless he is talented, smart, and hard-working way beyond anyone's wildest expectations.

    To be honest, I hope that Spikes is ready but I fully expect him to be broken in a bit gradually as well, behind Guyton, and not start in week 1. He has the advantage of having had MLB responsibilities at UF that at least in principle related to the ILB role here. I hope that he does start day 1, since he is a talent upgrade IMO, but these things generally take some time.
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    They were more or less the starters for the majority of the games last year.

    The OLB spot opposite TBC is an open competition between Cunningham, Ninkovich, and Crable. I still think Crable will play a lot this year... assuming he can stay on the field. A big if. Dane Fletcher has an outside shot as well

    Spikes and Guyton give a lot of flexibility. Guyton's definitely best suited as a nickel linebacker in the Roman Phifer mold, while Spikes is a two-down thumper like Ted Johnson or Bryan Cox. Mayo isn't great in coverage but he's hopefully improving. It remains to be seen what McKenzie adds to the team, but he may be useful depth as well.

    I think Gerard Warren makes the team over Damione Lewis. Lewis is a complete liability against the run while Warren is at least stout at the point of attack. Lewis gives a little more in terms of the pass rush but Mike Wright fills a similar role and knows the scheme. I think a G.Warren/Wright/Pryor rotation is what you'll see at the one defensive end spot.

    At RB, I think a UDFA (Paschall?) will make the team over one of the vets. Maroney will stick around for another year. Not sure if it will be the younger, mediocre vet in BJGE or the good but aging guys in Taylor or Morris who will get the axe, but that's what camp is for.
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    The OLB's look extremely brutal. However, I will agree that there really wasn't anybody worthy of drafting with their picks. It's going to be very tough for the Pats to hang with the better passing teams in the NFL. Although it's getting better, I still don't think their defense will be able to get it done.

    No, Chung needs to start. He's had a year to learn the defense and now it's time to "take the diapers off". He was picked very early in the 2nd round so I'm sure the team has high expectations for him. If he can't start over Sanders or McGowan, that's a huge disappointment and may signal towards Chung being a bust.
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    here is my starting line up


    QB Tom Brady
    RB Laurence Maroney
    WR Randy Moss
    WR Torry Holt
    WR Julian Edelman
    TE Rob Gronkowski
    LT Matt Light
    LG Logan Mankins
    C Dan Koppen
    RG Stephen Neal
    RT Sebastian Vollmer

    i would also love to see a two WR two TE set with Aaron Hernandez lined up at FB with edelman, and moss, as the WR's


    LDE Ty Warren
    NT Vince Wilfork
    RDE Myron Pryor
    LOLB Tully Banta-Cain
    LILB Jerod Mayo
    RILB Brandon Spikes
    ROLB Jermaine Cunningham
    SS James Sanders
    FS Brandon Meriweather
    LCB Darius Butler
    RCB Leigh Bodden

    i don't see mike wright starting he is not good a nuff vs the run Pryor, has one more year in the system i give him the edge over Damione Lewis, with wright coming in on 3rd down


    i could also see Gary Guyton, keeping he's job at ILB or even playing a lil OLB on 3rd down


    Pat Chung, may make the jump to starting SS but IMO is in back of sanders and McGowan,


    over all brady, has lot's of weapons to work with IF the pats mix it up a lil not just throw 90% of the time out of shotgun they need to show a few different looks on offense in the passing game and the running game. if not they will have a hard time puting up points with a tougher schedule and no wes welker to start the season.



    on defense right now the secondary looks like the strength of the defense. at RDE it looks like it will take 3 guys to help replace seymour, ROLB right now is a ? Ninkovich, is noting more then dept IMO. woods can do a ok job vs the run guyton, can play the pass rushing roll on 3rd down. crable, and Cunningham, are the wild cards right now can crable, make the team and play in a real game ? and will Cunningham, pick up the system fast a nuff to make a impact this year.
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    I will give it a shot too.


    QB Tom Brady
    RB Laurence Maroney
    WR Randy Moss
    WR Julian Edelman
    TE Rob Gronkowski
    TE Algee Crumpler
    LT Matt Light
    LG Logan Mankins
    C Dan Koppen
    RG Stephen Neal
    RT Sebastian Vollmer

    I went with a 2 TE set as I think this will be a primary set at least until Welker returns. I put Edelman as the 2 because I think the ceiling on this kid could be huge and I will call last years output the floor so IMO you have more to gain from Edelman than Holt at this point in his career though I think Holt is a great addition.


    LDE Ty Warren
    NT Vince Wilfork
    RDE Gerrard Warren
    LOLB Tully Banta-Cain
    LILB Jerod Mayo
    RILB Tyrone McKenzie
    ROLB TBD (Hoping for some sort of a move here but even without this is way to up in the air to predict)
    SS Chung
    FS Brandon Meriweather
    LCB Darius Butler
    RCB Leigh Bodden

    I will avoid commenting on the obvious.

    I went with Warren at RDE because he will be the run stopper and then Wright and Lewis will be the pass rushers from that spot (run downs come first so he starts)

    I went with McKenzie on the inside because I think we all agree Guyton is overpowered in there and I figured McKenzies year of learning might help him get the start initially though I think it will quickly switch to Spikes as he seems to compliment Mayo the best.

    ROLB I think we need to find someone for this position with some experience as a run stopper....I think we can use Cunningham as a pass rusher from this position but we need some Vets for run responsibilities and maybe someone who can cover too though yuo could use Guyton for this role (though it would be predictable).

    I gave Chung and Butler spots as starters as I think the strength of this D will come in part from how much these guys step up if they both start to reach the potential this year then the secondary could be nasty.
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    I am confident in the defense.

    Not so much the offense.
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    My thoughts:

    QB: Tom Brady
    RB: Laurence Maroney
    WR: Randy Moss
    WR: Brandon Tate/Torry Holt
    WR: Julian Edelman/Alge Crumpler
    TE: Rob Gronkowski
    LT: Matt Light
    LG: Logan Mankins
    C: Dan Koppen
    RG: Stephen Neal
    RT: Sebastian Vollmer

    LDE: Ty Warren
    NT: Vince Wilfork
    RDE: Mike Wright/Gerard Warren /Damione Lewis
    OLB: Tully Banta-Cain
    OLB: Rob Ninkovich Jermaine Cunningham
    ILB: Jerod Mayo
    ILB: Brandon Spikes
    CB: Leigh Bodden
    CB: Darius Butler
    S: Patrick Chung James Sanders
    S: Brandon Meriweather

    On offense:
    We've seen nothing from Tate so far to project him as a possible starter. Holt has the experience and hands. If the games were played today, I believe Holt would be in.
    And if you look at 'starters' as in the first play of the game, there's an equal chance of either three wide (Edelman) or two TE (Crumpler for blocking). So I put Edelman/Crumpler as options.

    On defense:
    Belichick was quoted on Gerard Warren as follows:"He can play anywhere from tackle in." So I assume 4-3 tackle or 3-4 nose, and at 330 pounds listed, I would be surprised if he has the agility to play end. Today, looks like a rotation between Wright and Damione Lewis.

    At OLB, God help the Patriots if Ninkovich is the starter at LOLB. I think Jermaine Cunningham has to be counted on at that position. TBC is not a three-down OLB, but that's the position they have put themselves in.

    At S, what did we see from Patrick Chung to inspire confidence? Can he make the second-year leap? Maybe. But today, I would guess Sanders for the value of his leadership, communication, and experience.
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    I don't really see the sense in doing this, because it will change from game to game based on who we are playing and what their weaknesses are on D.
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