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  1. TriplecHamp

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    I was watching Patriots Today on Patriots.com and Nick Caserio said that with all the picks New England has they have the amunition to trade up and get that player that they really want. Who do you think this player is if the Pats trade Up if at all? Raji, Orakpo, Oher?
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    I would not be surprised to see them stay put at 23 and then trade up from 34 into those mid to late twenties. Of course, they will probably fall in love with someone who is not on my radar, trade up and take the guy 15th overall. That'll learn me.
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    I would be really surprised if they traded up to get Oher. He's a great physical specimen, but given his background (read the book the Blindside by Michael Lewis for more detail, but basically Oher has had real struggles understanding game plans and stuff like that) I don't think he's the kind of player that Bill Belichick will target.
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    I think BB will actually prefer him because of his background. He is a came from nothing type player who overcame obstacles to get where he is today.
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    I don't it happening but a couple Belichick MIGHT like enough are Brown and Jackson.

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    I don't either, if it id the couple I'd vote for BB liking enough would be Raji and Barwin. :D
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    I read the book. I agree with the other guy.

    Oher has issues, but none that will keep him from being a great player as long as the team knows what he needs, and NE will.
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    To get Jackson, how high do you think they need to go and what do see them giving up to get there?
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    I used the draft calc to come up with these:

    simple up trade: #23 + #124 = #20


    Very complex series of 3 trades:

    --- #23 + #58 to Cards for: #31, #63, #95

    --- then #89 + #95 + #124 to Viks for #54

    --- then #31 + #63 and our 6th (about 202) to the Browns for #36 and #50

    final picks in top 100: 34, 36, 47, 50, 54, 97; why? Avoid 1st round salary issues, and hit the 2nd round which is full of value with 5 picks.
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    Your lucky this site protects your right to be wrong. Because your way off. With all that value in the end of the first and into the second, wouldnt the logical senario be to trade up from 58 to the end of the first early second. And steal the players BB is high on, that will be studs. That would only make sense to me, rather than take a chance that they wont be there.
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    I agree 100%. I only see moving up from 23 if one or two specific players that BB covets fall to within reach and are certain to be gone at 23. Otherwise, moving up from 47 or 58 offers much more value.
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    they might have to go to #11. I like him a lot, but wouldn't do it. Better to trade #23 down to about #28-35 range and grab Jarron Gilbert, Evander Hood, Ron Brace.

    Unless, he really likes an OLB that is still on the board at #23 that will be gone by 30.

    I can see a draft order of: OLB (Maybin), DL (Gilbert), OT (Beatty), CB (A. Smith), OG (Levitre), S (Martin), ILB (McKilliop)

    but just as easily: Gilbert (trade down), Barwin (or Sintim), Beatty (trade up), Duke Robinson, Chip Vaughn, Munnerlyn or Asher Allen

    BB is the true master...
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    I could see Jenkins sliding and the Pats trading up to 14 to nab him.
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    I'm not sure I'd trade up for a guy to sit on the bench
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    I just dont see Jenkins in the future. The Pats are pretty well set at corner. Maybe a flyer late in the draft to see if they can make the team.

    A Safety at the end of the first or early second i can see. Maybe a Moore or a Chung.

    Package 48 and other picks to move up and nab a safety before they are gone.
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    He would be tempting at 16 (34 plus 47) if he Belichick's man. We could then sign him to a six year contract.

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    If they trade up for Raji, I will throw up. I could understand if the Pats were running a 4-3 and needed an upgrade at DT, but they don't. They already have Wilfork and they will have no problem re-signing him if next year is uncapped. Seriously, if drafted by the Pats, what impact does Raji make this season? I'm sorry, the reason why the Pats haven't been able to win a super bowl for the last 4 years is because they have lacked impact players at the LB, CB and S position. Sometimes, you can't keep drafting "best available" and have to bite the bullet and take a player based on "need". If the Pats fail to upgrade their pass rush, they will once again miss out on the Lombardi trophy.
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    Hmmm. Imagine Wilfork and Raji playing together as DTs in a 4-3.

    $40 million garaunteed? No problem! ;)
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    I'll get you an emesis basin. Personally, I'll dance in the streets if we get Raji (especially if we still get a good pass rusher as well). Aside from Wilfork not be signed long term (which I very much hope will happen, but is a non-trivial deal). I think what BB could do with both Wilfork and Raji would be unbelievable, and would have more value to the overall performance of the defense than any other option, including a pass rusher.
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    I can see it happening in a case like last year with Mayo if BB sees a player who warrants it. Otherwise, from what I've read and heard, there is going to be strong value in the second round of this draft, so I see them taking at least two picks there. I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade one of their seconds for a higher pick next year however.
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    If you do not mind me asking, what exactly would BB do with both Wilfork and Raji that would be so amazing? Are you envisioning some sort of NT rotation or are you projecting a transition to 4-3 and then who would be playing DE? I do not think Warren and Seymour are well suited for 4-3 DE status.
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    There isn't a glaring talent gap among players past the first 6-8 (not counting the QB's which i assume we have no interest in) so I'd guess "moving up" would mean a few spots to nail someone they want who's come close enough to go after instead of waiting, as opposed to a major move for Curry or Crabtree.

    My bet would be on Matthews or Cushing sliding into the high teens and BB shipping our first rounder and last 2nd to cover the move to nab one of them. Matthews, probably smarter than any other high end LB and with more upside to go with a ridiculous pedigree(father, uncle, granddad all pro football players with 18 probowls between them) would be like getting Bruschi and Vrabel repackaged as one new player. If he's as good as I think then what a rebuilding job BB would have done on the supposedly critical mass LB Patriot's LB corps. Imagine if Crable can be a third down force what a young bunch of studs we'd have for the second half of Brady's SB runs.
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    Understand that but at this point in his career Springs is a year-to-year player, Bodden is only signed for 1 yr and Jenkins is compared by many scouts to Springs both in his style of play and versatility. Jenkins can play CB and S and as BB says you can never have enough DBs.
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    Raji is over-hyped iMO. He is over-rated. ok flame away :)
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    Sorry, I thought my views on Raji have been well enough documented to not require further explanation. See http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/13/209694-bj-raji-hypothetical.html.

    As I said over 2 months ago, "Raji is a major disruptor against both the run and the pass. He blows up plays, and has excellent penetrating ability for a man his size. Pairing Raji and Wilfork would create an 'unbreakable wall' kind of like what the 2000 Ravens had with Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams. I could see BB using a lot of this situationally along with a base 3-4 set. In the base 3-4 he could spell Wilfork, provide injury insurance, and keep both of them fresh. Plus it would give us insurance if we couldn't resign Wilfork after 2009. We might also be able to use him at DE the way Baltimore has used 340# Haloti Ngata. Raji seems to have demonstrated almost Ngata-like athleticism this week."

    I would see BB moving Raji around - sometimes using him to spell Wilfork or instead of Wilfork to get more of a penetrating DT, sometimes using him along with Wilfork running different variations of a 4-3, sometimes moving him outside to DE. I think that moving Raji around and using him in different formations and schemes would maximize his best asset, which is as a disruptor. It would keep a lot of offenses off balance.

    Baltimore won the SB in 2000 with a "big" 4-3 scheme using Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams at DT. No one could run against their defense. Even today they tend to run a big 4-3 with Haloti Ngata and Kelly Gregg inside and 290# Trevor Price and 270# Jarrett Johnson outside. That's not exactly the same kind of 4-3 as the Colts. They've also moved Ngata to NT (especially with Gregg injured) and moved him outside to DE because of his extraordinary athleticism.

    I could see doing much of the same with Raji. I could see plays where Raji and Wilfork were both inside and Seymour and Warren outside in a big 4-3. I could see plays where Adalius Thomas (or Jason Taylor or Julius Peppers, if we got them) moved up to DE to provide more pass rush, with Warren or Seymour playing the other end. I could see plays where Wilfork stayed inside and Raji moved outside to replace one of Warren or Seymour. And that's not counting the value of resting your DTs and of insurance in case of injury or not being able to extend both Seymour and Wilfork.

    Anyway, that's my view, sane or not.
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    I just don't think he shows up against lesser opponents. He has maturity issues and I wouldn't mind having him but he would need a good kick in the arse.
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