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  1. Tunescribe

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    Um . . . Ick.
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    Gotta think that he'll be on a very, very, very short leash..
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    Holmgren is saving a fall guy for when it doesn't all get turned around in a season...or two. Besides which Ratboy probably has some pictures or information he was willing to exchange for consideration... And don't forget Lerner is being asked to hire a lot of new staffers on the eve of a lockout when he's still on the hook for the last HC and two GM's he canned.
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    I can't wait for the Browns game. I know we're playing them next year, I can't remember if it was home or away though...
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    Holmgren was smart to keep him...if Mangini fails, Mangini gets the blame and Holmgren brings in his own coach. If through some miracle Mangini gets the Browns to the playoffs, it's all Holmgren's doing.

    Win Win Win is what I believe Michael Scott would call this situation.
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    Called that one after the Pittsburgh victory. Shame on the one hand that Fredo is still employed, but at least it's one less AFC team to worry about.
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    Also, I wonder if Holgrem had any success recruiting any guys he had in mind for the job.
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    It could be he's waiting on someone. Pioli took Haley in KC because Kirk Firenz decided he wasn't ready to jump to the NFL with his son entering college and Denver tapped Josh (altough I don't thinnk Pioli or Josh wanted to poach the mothership as a sign of respect). If KC doesn't make a dramatic turnaround next season it's a lot more likely Haley hits the bricks and his OC or DC gets a shot...if we're playin, that is. Coordinator's don't generally get guaranteed deals like HC's do. Anyone who hires one this year may be paying them for nothing in 2011 while they can get out from under the rest of their staff or carry them through a lockout more reasonably...probably for less than it costs to carry one HC.
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    Smart move by Holmgren. Mangini had his team playing hard and improving at the end of the season. I don't know what he can do to fix the quarterback issue, though.
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    Well that's it... the Browns are dead to me for at least one more season.
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    I wonder if this makes the Pats/Browns game a primetime game now?
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    This.

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    A 4pm game at the least.
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    His boys arent available. Gruden wants another year off and Fox has 1 year left in Carolina before Cowher takes over. Thus fatboy gets 1 more year.
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    His boys may want to see what he does to stabilize the QB spot, too... The Browns have no offense past Cribbs...and he's winding up for a holdout.
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    I'm not overly surprised as I suppose it gives Holmgren a season to see how things shake out and bring in someone else if he needs or wants to after next year, as has been said already. The sweet part is that they apparently had quite the lengthy meeting yesterday, so I can only assume he was making Ratgini sweat and do a whole dog and pony show to "wow" him and beg for his job, all the while chuckling to himself knowing he was going to let him be his lame duck for a season, at most. Dance puppet! Dance! :singing:

    Okay, maybe it wasn't exactly like that, but I like to imagine it that way! :D
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    Whats the relationship b/t/w Fox and Holmgren? I looked at the Sid Gillman/Walsh coaching tree and I'm not seeing the direct connection..

    Are they in LinkedIn ;-)
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    I find this surprising as I figured Holmgren's reluctance to embrace Mangini meant he was gone. As a CYA approach by Holmgren, I guess it makes perfect sense. However, a 1 game improvement from the record that got the prior coach canned after a 10-6 season in a season when the team frequently looked abysmal doesn't seem enough to wait and see how things turn out in future years. Always good to be optimistic over a win streak, but Holmgren said he was looking at the entire body of work over the season (which again sounded bad for Mangini).

    And now I must continue to dislike the Browns.
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    True. Also could have been Lerner saying, "Can't afford to pay off another coach."

    Who knows.
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    Agreed.

    About the quarterback issue. They can go two ways with it. 1.) Keep Cribbs and start running the wildcat while also using Quinn in a backup role. 2.) Go for a QB in the later rounds. Someone like Jonathan Crompton or Dan LeFevour (personally I would go with Crompton). Then from there, you see what you can get from him.

    Or they could do both. The Browns will need to go defensive the first couple of round (S, CB, DE) but I think offensively, at WR, RB, and TE, they have talent and potential. Maybe another WR to help Massaquoi stretch the field. Add in Cribbs who is explosive out of the backfield and continues to develop as a WR, then you have a pretty good looking offense.
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    Well, Mangini had the team going in the right direction at the end of the season anyways so why not give him a chance?

    We hate Mangini for good reasons, but you can't deny he is a good coach.
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    Good coach, maybe. Good head coach though? All bias aside, the jury is still out on that one. He has one playoff appearence in 4 seasons and a career losing record. You are what your record is.
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    This.

    Anyone listen to Mike & Mike this morning? They were talking about naming your kids after athletes and Mangini's name came up. Apparently he has a kid named Brett after Lord Favre, one named Harrison after Rodney Harrison (which means Eric Mangini and I officially have something in common, blech) and a son named Bill.....for Bill Belichick?!!

    I didn't hear it myself but my brother called and told me.
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    Well he's going to need another kid and quickly.

    His/Her name will be Mike / Mikela ... could be a great career move.
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    i think the jury's out on "good coach." it's impossible to tell how much was bb and how much was the rat when he was DC here. he didn't leave too many friends behind in new york. and, i think holmgren kept him because of the finish this year, but i suspect he's on a very short leash next season. if there isn't a lot of improvement, he'll be gone, especially if there's a strike and holmgren has two years to fix things staffwise.
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    He can gameplan a good game and seems to have a good grasp at game management. He's not for every player (like BB) and can definitely rub people the wrong way.

    The players that buy into what he's selling aparently really like to play for him.

    Case in point: Laveranues Coles. He hated Mangini when Mangini first arrived at the Jets. Tried to undermine him but eventually got sold on what Eric was all about. Here's an interesting article about what Coles thinks of Mangini: CLEVELAND REBOOT: Laveranues Coles on Eric Mangini


    EDIT: For people not wanting to click on the article, here's some excerpts.

    Walking off the field with Coles, I quickly got the impression that I was talking to a very professional and incredibly rational player. Despite the wealth of negative material that orbits Mangini, Coles didn’t dwell in the personal, as he admitted that Mangini is “a really good coach”, however it takes players a while to “figure him out.”

    As for what’s in store for the Browns going through their first Camp Mangini, Coles reveals the entire experience will be an evaluation process, albeit one that is very physical and draining for all involved.

    “Mangini’s first camp, really, his first couple seasons is just him getting a feel for guys. The thing about Mangini is he wants to find out which players are with him, which guys are about his philosophy. His camp is about pushing, breaking guys down to their lowest point, then pushing you further. That’s how Mangini weeds guys out. He wants to find his core guys, then build his team around his guys.”


    Coles comparing Marvin Lewis with Eric:

    “The thing about Marvin is he takes care of his veterans. With Mangini, the vets have the same reps as the rookies. You can be a vet and it don’t matter, you’re in the same drills as everyone else. Everyone’s equal up there.”
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    I thought Bill was the kid's middle name. It was the kid in the famous picture of BB and Mangenius on the Gillette practice field, IIRC. I may have that picture on my comp at home.
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    Wikipedia has the answer..
    Anyway I don't care about the Browns or Ratgini but this is probably a decent decision for now.
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    Thanks for the Wikipedia link! So it's only middle names. My Harrison is a first name with a middle name of Brady.

    I feel a little better now. And yeah, he did name a kid for BB. And then to go all Fredo on him. Man.
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