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  1. mgteich

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    In the nfl, teams look for their receivers to be defended one on one. This is a situation where teams have a high percentage chance for a big play. This happens even with average wide receivers.

    When Moss was here, Revis needed safety help against Moss most of the time. Cromartie need safety help also.

    In this game, the corners didn't need help (or not very much). So, when they were in a nickel back situations, they had 3 defensive backs ton defend the middle instead of 1 or 2.

    BOTTOM LINE
    Other teams cannot be allowed to be able to consistently cover our wide receivers one on one. We need better receivers or someone else developing schemes and calling plays. Or both. Tate is not the answer; perhaps Price is. But both wideouts should command a double team.
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    Calvin Johnson. I'll trade whatever for him. He can do it all.
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    The Jets rushed 4 for most of the game. We kept a TE or RB to block as well.

    That makes 4 receivers vs 7 DB's/LB's.

    With the time Tom had to throw early on, we had no chance.

    We got beat by a better defense than what played a few weeks back.

    Simple.
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    The coaching staff/everyone knew that was how were they going to play after it worked against the colts

    Surely you draw up some plays to counter that sort of coverage, slants, quick outs, bootlegs, the odd deep ball etc
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    The guys on the pregame were right if the refs called a tight game it would favor us, if not the advantage goes to the jets. Their DB's were man handling our WR's and TE's all game. There were plenty of plays that could and probably should have been flagged for at the very least holding.
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    Not buying it, Super Bowls were won with less receiving talent than the 2010 team had. It's gotta go back to the D. The Patriots haven't had a dominant defense since 2004, it's time to draft some guys to rebuild the front 7.
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    There are plenty of ways to get guys open, through formation and motion. If NY wanted to stack the middle of the field and press on the outside. We could have used bunch sets and motion to create open space. Our big TE's are good enough in space to be put on the outside as well. Which at bare minimum would take a body away from the middle and you would be asking a smaller player like a cb to do the rerouting before passing him off. What it comes down to is a poor coaching job by the staff and the qb. In game 2 TB always checked into the right play. I dont feel as though he checked or took what they gave him often enough. The result is a loss.
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    What's the trade value points #17 and #28 are worth? Just wondering, A.J Green is the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson.
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    I agree with you--except Revis didn't need safety help "most of the time" against Moss--pretty much shut him down as he has done before----exxcept for the play he pulled his muscle on.
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    Like I've been saying for a while now, Brandon Tate is not the answer, people kept saying all he needs is time, he's just a rookie. I mean if people aren't convinced now that he's nothing more than a #5 WR on any NFL team, then that his homerism at it's finest. He doesn't threaten anyone, on any defense, no one. This draft and off-season, we need a true, big, physical WR to keep safeties honest and a guy that TB can go to over the middle and deep. The blue print game plan was on full display last night against the dink and dunk, simply cheat everyone up and force the Pats to throw a ball deeper than 30 yards down the field.

    In addition with Tate, why is he still returning kicks for this team?
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    We sure could have used Randy Moss in this game.....let alone Wright, Warren, Bodden, McGowan etc......
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    If there's one good piece of news, it's that Brady and Belichick are going to obsess this entire off-season over what the Jets schemed. They'll draft and trade accordingly. And it won't work again, at least nearly as well.
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    Yeah, and it was made worse by the fact that the OC didn't seem to want to call any plays that would defeat this scheme. every ******* down the jets had everyone pressed up against the LOS and brady only went deep once (a pass that should have been complete).

    The mind boggles at how this team allowed this to happen. They knew what was coming from the Jets. And they had a letdown last year against the Ravens. I think Belichick is starting to turn into a playoff headcase.
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    Randy Moss disappears in every playoff game. I don't think his loss hurt that much.
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    Let's all hope BB moves on from the Brandon Invisible Tate experiment and gets a legimate WR threat in here either through the draft (yes in Round 1 or 2), not round 3 or lower. Or simply in FA. Tate is clearly not the answer.

    Julio Jones might be there for the taking late in round 1.
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    I would never trade our 1st rounders for WRs on other teams--but I would sign Vince Jackson to a big contract.

    Our pass rush is awful.

    We need a OLB and a DE.

    Plain and simple.

    Ninkovich and Banta-Cain should be watching most of the game from the sidelines.
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    Hate to beat a dead horse and I know it's all spilled milk now, but every time I watch Clay Matthews I want to pull a BP and "throw up in my mouth". Upstater, what was that trade again that BB made on passing on Clay Matthews for the trade down? I forgot the details.
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    Uh, you don't hate to beat a dead horse, obviously. The fact is, looking back on a draft makes you look foolish. If a majority of Patriots fans hate the Patriots for passing up a player like Matthews because of a draft day screwup, then we have to give back Seymour, McCourty, Ty Law, Mankins, and many others who were all universally panned by Patriots' fans.

    Your draft record simply has to be better than other teams, that's it. It doesn't have to be perfect... and by the way, trading down is what has netted the Patriots last year's draft class and this year's.

    How in the world can you complain?
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    I am only bringing it back up in light of what alot of us have been discussing, which is the pass rush and lack thereof. So it does sound like you would rather have the guys we netted in that trade instead of the potential DPOY and the ultimate game changer known has Clay Matthews. All is good, I know you've been trying to justify that trade for a while now and your sticking by your guns on this one that BB in the end made the right move, I was just double-checking.
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    all of this, especially the bolded, IMO neither would start on most teams.
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    I just hope we don't go into next season with Branch as the starter opposite Welker. Branch is on the wrong side of 30 and he's just not that good. It was nice to see him resurrected and playing with Tom again but let's move significantly upwards from Deion Branch next year please.
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    You're reading too much into it, man. It's obvious to anyone who read what I wrote that I think the sort of second-guessing you're doing is pointless. For fun, a friend and I geeked out on time and redrafted players from the last 3 drafts to see what mistakes were made. it was as interesting as cutting my toenails.

    I mean, if you follow me on draftday, I would pick:

    2010: Dez Bryant over McCourty
    2009: Michael Oher over both Matthews and Pat Chung
    2008: Dominick Rodgers-Cromartie over Jerod Mayo
    2007: Posluszny over Merriweather
    2006: Matthias Kiwanuka over Laurence Maroney

    2010: Also would have taken Daryl Washington over Jermain Cunningham, Sergio Kindle over Rob Gronkowski, Brandon LaFell over Brandon Spikes.

    Some of my picks are defensible, others not, but when I go back and say, obviously Oher is more valuable than Chung, it leaves out the part that I had never even heard of Sebastian Vollmer before the Patriots picked him.
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    This is incorrect. The problem is not the "dink and dunk" offense. The problem is that the team is missing a David Givens (hell, even a Bethel Johnson) component to that offense.
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    Obviously we could to spend resources on having a top 5 defense instead of spending money to be a top 5 offense. Given that we have Tom Brady, it makes sense to emphasize the offense while he's here.

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    I don't know what happened to Banta-Cain.
    Tate is fine. Brady just doesn't throw to him because he is in love with Branch and Welk. Yes he drops a few balls but he is a essentially rookie.
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    If Tate was fine, Brady would throw him the ball.
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    Yea because Brady is perfect. Tate was very open once but brady didn't throw to him. He took a sack.
    Then he overthrew him deep. (yes it was a difficult throw)
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    Brady's not perfect. However, there's a reason that Tate only caught 24 passes the entire regular season, and it's not because Brady's completely blind about Tate. It's because Tate wasn't getting the job done.

    I can understand the "One full season!" argument, but to pretend the guy's been getting it done to this point takes a willingness to ignore what the eye sees on Sundays.
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    I saw enough in the meaningless dolphins game. Price should have played over Tate the whole year. His routes are crisper, and you can tell he will be a good WR.

    He better hop Tate next year.

    In a perfect world it would be: FA #1 WR, welker, price, edelman. (with branch and tate gone)
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    Tate is not fine. If he's one of our starting WRs next season, that would be alarming to be honest. At this point, he's not even a good KR, for the lat 8-10 weeks, this guy has done squat in the KR game. That also needs a serious upgrade in the offseason.
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