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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Obviously, injuries can happen, but this roster is looking as strong as any, other the 2004 roster. And I do expect another free agent or two to further improve the roster.

    MG’s ROSTER AS OF MAY 4

    OFFENSE (24)
    QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Gutierrez/Edleman/Hoyer/fa
    RB/FB (5) Taylor, Faulk, Morris, Maroney, BJGE/fa
    WR (4) Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis
    TE (3) Watson, Baker, Smith
    OT (4) Light, Kaczur, LeVoir/O’Callaghan/Britt, Vollmer
    OG/C (5) Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein/Yates, Ohrnberger/Bussey

    DEFENSE (23)
    DL (6) Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace
    OLB (4) Thomas, Crable, Banta-Cain, Woods
    ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, McKenzie
    CB (5) Butler, Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite
    S (3) Meriweather, Sanders, Chung
    DB (1) Williams/Spann/Richardson

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K (1) Gostkowski
    P (1) Hanson
    LS (1) Ingram/Hodel

    COMPETING FOR THE LAST 3 ROSTER SPOTS (3)
    Smith, Aiken, Ventrone, Slater, Alexander, Redd, Pryor, Richard, fa

    STARTING THE SEASON ON THE PUP LIST
    WR (1) Tate
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    Good stuff - I think you've identified some of the fiercest camp battles, QB spot #3, and depth at the OG, OT, OLB & DB positions. I'd still give Dave Thomas a chance to make the roster though.

    It is going to be another interesting camp, I just hope that all the guys who don't stick wind up on the PS (if eligible) and not on the Chiefs or Broncos roster.
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    Watson is done
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    It's going to be real hard for him unless he becomes a special teams demon. I think Watson is as good a receiver as him (in an offense that doesn't rely on the TE to be a receiver) and clearly a better blocker. The other guys they brought in through FA or trade for a reason. Unless we want to carry 4 TEs or move him to WR, he's a longshot IMO.
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    In the Levoir, Britt, O'Callaghan derby my bet is on Levoir. He's a Charlie Weiss Notre Dame guy I believe, so he should be familiar with the system. The fact that he started back to back wins for us at tackle in 2008 may also give him a leg up.
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    OLB - that position still looks needy when laid out this way. That said, I think Redd has a shot. Game-action means a lot, and he got a bit last year.
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    I think that either OLB or TE might get an extra roster spot over the three QB this year. It seems that the QB's are young enough that they could stash one away on the practice squad and just keep two on the 53 man. Of course there may also be a veteran QB brought in to blow that up, so who knows.
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    So, to take MG’s ROSTER AS OF MAY 4 a step further, here is who appears to be in, who appears to be out, and who appears to be on the bubble as of right now.

    OFFENSE (24)
    QB (3)
    - In (2): Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell
    - ?? (1): Matt Gutierrez, Julian Edleman, Brian Hoyer
    RB/FB (5)
    - In (4): Fred Taylor, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris, Laurence Maroney
    - ?? (1): BenJarvis Green-Ellis
    WR (4)
    - In (4): Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Joey Galloway, Lewis
    - Out: Sam Aiken, Edelman
    TE (3)
    - In (1): Chris Baker
    - ?? (2): Ben Watson, Alex Smith, David Thomas
    - Out: Tyson DeVree, Brad Listorti
    OT (4)
    - In (3): Matt Light, Nick Kaczur, Sebastian Vollmer
    - ?? (1): Mark LeVoir, Ryan O’Callaghan, Wesley Britt
    - Out: Damane Duckett
    OG/C (5)
    - In (3): Logan Mankins, Dan Koppen, Stephen Neal
    - ?? (2): Russ Hochstein, Billy Yates, Rich Ohrnberger, George Bussey
    - Out: Al Johnson, Dan Connolly, Ryan Wendell, Jermail Porter

    DEFENSE (23)
    DL (6)
    - In (6): Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, Mike Wright, Ron Brace
    - Out: Le Kevin Smith, Kenny Smith, Titus Adams, Myron Pryor, Darryl Richard, Porter
    OLB (4)
    - In (4): Adalius Thomas, Shawn Crable, Tully Banta-Cain, Pierre Woods
    - Out: Vince Redd, Angelo Craig
    ILB (4)
    - In (4): Jerod Mayo, Gary Guyton, Tedy Bruschi, Tyrone McKenzie
    - Out: Eric Alexander, Antonio Appleby
    CB (5)
    - In (5): Darius Butler, Leigh Bodden, Shawn Springs, Terrance Wheatley, Jonathan Wilhite
    - Out: Mike Richardson
    S (3)
    - In (3): Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders, Patrick Chung
    - Out: Raymond Ventrone, Antwain Spann, Marcus McClinton
    DB (1)
    - ?? (1): Tank Williams, Spann, Richardson
    - Out: Jamar Love

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K (1)
    - In (1): Stephen Gostkowski
    P (1)
    - In (1): Chris Hanson
    - Out: Tom Malone
    LS (1)
    - ?? (1): Jake Ingram, Nathan Hodel

    COMPETING FOR THE LAST 3 ROSTER SPOTS
    - ?? (3): DT Le Kevin Smith, WR Sam Aiken, S Raymond Ventrone, WR Matt Slater, ILB Eric Alexander, OLB Redd, DT Myron Pryor, DT Darryl Richard, and the odd men out of the OT, OG/C, and DB roster battles.

    STARTING THE SEASON ON THE PUP LIST
    - ??: WR/KR Brandon Tate


    Players slated to not make the roster (unless they make one of those last three spots) that are also currently among the top 51 on Miguel's cap page: Al Johnson, Sam Aiken, David Thomas, Eric Alexander, Le Kevin Smith, Damane Duckett, Dan Connolly, and Russ Hochstein or Billy Yates. They would be repalced by Gary Guyton, BJGE, Patrick Chung, Ron Brace, Darius Butler, Sebastian Vollmer, Tyrone McKenzie, Rich Ohrnberger or George Bussey, and two additional players to reach a total of 53.


    In regards to possible candidates for the Practice Squad, I believe that would be limited to the twelve draftees (Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer, Tate, McKenzie, Ohrnberger, Bussey, Ingram, Pryor, Edelman, Richard), five recently signed undrafted free agents (Appleby, Hoyer, Love, McClinton, Porter) and Wendell, Malone and Craig. As far as I know the rest, such as Listorti, DeVree and Adams are not eligible - but perhaps somebody else can verify.
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    I agree that Thomas is likely out, but not a slam-dunk. He's certainly got as much of a chance as, say, Britt, and would note him as Alex Smith/Dave Thomas.

    I would guess that in the "last three spots" competition, there is some categorization.

    LeKevin Smith/Pryor/Richard are presumably looking at the seventh DL spot. Hard to imagine an eighth, and given injuries and the level of talent on the 80-man, probably want a seventh. I give Smith the big edge.

    There are usually nine LB's, so Redd/Alexander/Appleby is another good competition. Don't forget Appleby, who as a college 3-4 ILB has a decent shot here. Also, I'm not so sure Crable & TBC are clearly above Redd, given a year in. Crable has a better college resume, but Redd is bigger and faster, played ST, and back-up OLB last year. Redd is bigger, faster, and younger than TBC. I wouldn't be shocked to see Thomas/Woods/Crable/Redd on the roster, with Alexander and TBC competing for the 9th LB/ST spot. Of course, I'd be delighted with Thomas/Taylor/Woods/Crable/Redd, losing TBC & Alexander.

    Aiken/Ventrone/Slater sets up a competition for the last spot, an almost solely-ST role, like Je'Rod Cherry and others. That's wide open.
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    Do you prefer Wendy? or DeVree? or Listorti? Why?

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    I agree with your assessment of LeVoir. LeVoir and Vollmer could very well be our tackles of the future.

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    Redd might get one of the last three positions, one of which is usually the 5th OLB.

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    Similarly LeKevin Smith.
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    Redd might get one of the last three positions, one of which is usually the 5th OLB.

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    I would like to look a the offensive line depth with some discussion

    First the tackles. Th incumbent starters are Light at LOT and Kaczur at ROT. Reserve starters have been O'Callaghan a former 5th at ROT and Levoir a UDFA by ST Louis at ROT. The backup starters are Wesley Britt a 5th round pick, and Levoir as well.

    Now we add Volmer and Duckett to the mix in the off season. I expect that Vollmer a second round pick will be groomed as a ROT. I would guess that Duckett, and O 'Callaghan are in danger of losing a job. The competition to backup Light, are Levoir and Britt. If SeaBass captures Kaczur 's job than Kaczur becomes a wild card and a backup at LOT as well as inside at Guard. At the end of the day I expect that Kaczur and Vollmer are the ROT candidates and Light and Britt/Levoir battle it out as LOT backup. O'Callaghan and Duckett lose out.

    Inside at Guard, The starters are Mankins, a first rounder, Neal a UDFA but a champion NCAA wrestler, and Koppen with the prime backup Hochstein. Two of the three have made the Pro bowl and Neal is the most mobile G in the league. No one is better as a pulling Guard. The guys in battle are Hochstein, Yates, Orhnberger, Johnson and Bussey, Connolly, and Wendell. Bussey, Ohrnberger, Connolly, Wendell have PS possibilities. When all is said and done, I think Yates has been shown to be unsatisfactory and replaceable. Hochstein remains as the prime backup, Ohrnberger may win the second backup. Bussey, Connolly, and perhaps Wendel survive on PS. Johnson and Connolly lose out. If Seabass beats out Kaczur at ROT, Kaczur leaps to the head of the class as a reserve Guard too.

    Age is not really a question yet but Neal is 32 and Light is 31, both in their prime, but perhaps its time to groom successors.

    What say you?
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    I listed LeKevin Smith as having a chance at one of the final three roster spots. Two of the three are usually a 5th WR and a 5th OLB. The last could be, and has been, at almost any position. Personally, I would like to carry a 7th DL this year.

    I just don't see Dave Thomas making the squad unless Watson is traded, or there is an injury.

    If I were to choose the final three now. I would choose Smith, Alexander and Slater. Of course, I would like to see us upgrade the LB's with an addition.

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    Missed that. Sorry.

    I agree that this is a year for 7+ DL. It's unlikely that more than one of Wilfork, Seymour, or Green will be re-signed this offseason, or that more than two will eventually stay with the team, so depth is desirable.
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    With Pioli in KC and McDaniels in Denver, the Pats may have some decent trade bait at the bottom of the roster. With both those clubs looking for 3-4 defensive players, I can see several of the players in the front seven potentially traded away for conditional draft picks.
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    Don't rule out Vollmer as a left tackle. He is extremely athletic. His measurables ( 6'7" 312, 5.08 40 yard dash, 37 inch vertical, ) are as good as the tackles drafted in the top 10 picks of the first round. Vollmer allowed exactly one sack in over 600 pass attempts last season while playing at left tackle.
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    For comparison sake Jason Smith 5.09 40 yard / 34 inch verticle, Eugene Monroe, is 5.18 40 yard / 28 1/2 vertical and Oher 5.34 40 yard / 30 1/2 vertical. Andre Smith 5.25, 5.33 40 yard, 25 inch vertical.
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    Don't hold your breath for a rational answer to that one.
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    I don't like 4 WR's at all. We need a 5th.....whoever it is from wherever. Use Watson's spot.....seems like the best fit for me.
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    Edelman will make it at WR (5) and due to the versality he brings to the roster. Wildcat as a change of pace a package could be developed for him.

    Redd I think has the tools to be a contributor at OLB. If McKenzie isn't seriously injured I think he will stick at ILB. IO Alexander & Appleby don't make it 9 LB's will be on the roster.
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    Doubt it on Edelman; he has practice squad written all over him.
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    Aiken, Slater, and Ventrone were our #5, #6 and #7 WR last year. I listed all three competing for the last three roster spots. I expect one of them to make it, giving us 5 receivers on the 53 man roster. Also Tate will be on the PUP list.

    Three TE's are absolutely required, given Belichick's greater emphasis on the run game. I think four is more likely than two, although I don't expect four.

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    I'd argue Aiken was a clear #4 on the depth chart last season. I personally don't think Lewis is a lock.

    Can't argue with any of the other choices on your roster.
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    Why so many have Slater being on the bubble puzzles me...He was one of their better special teamers last year on both coverage and returns, hard to see him not as one of the leading candidates to replace Hobbs as the kick returner this year.
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    For the same reason Hobbs is hated by so many of the same folks, one mistake, or perceived mistake, and that player must be a failure and cut from the team.

    I'll want to see how well Slater does on returns in preseason. For now I'd prefer to list Maroney as the primary returner with Slater as his up man and lead blocker, something he excelled at last season. The lead blocker's role may also be affected by the impact of the new wedge rules, a lead blocker may not be as important as he has been in the past.

    Tate's progress will also decide who gets worked out as returner. Shun White is another excellent returner now on the roster. Wheatley was pretty good in college, but I suspect he won't get used there. Butler might though.
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    What about Faulk being used in the role again? He was the primary returner for a couple of years and has gotten kicks every year since he was drafted, any chance he takes it over while Slater readies for the role?

    That's assuming White can make the team or is even allowed to play in the pros(for another thread...)...Tate I can see taking over in 2010 once he's fully recovered. I don't think Wheatley would be the right choice, I'd rather see him blocking than receiving.
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    Faulk is an emergency return man, he or Morris should have been the guys getting the call last Fall against Pittsburgh. He won't get you much more than 20 yds, but he's a good mudder. Like I said earlier, I'd like to see Slater work as a return man, he may settle down and be good at it, we'll see.
    Wheatley as a blocker? No thanks, I'm counting on him challenging for a starter's job at CB. I can see trying him as a return man to build depth, but with his injury history to date I'd be hesitant about taking him from his primary job.
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