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WR - Even if the Pats count Moss their all time WR list as far as depth of stars pales in comparison to others. The Pats have had maybe 2 great WRs... maybe. Other teams have had 4 or 5.
I think there is an argument. Depending on how many years you need to be here to be considered an all time Patriots a real argument.
QB - Brady
RB - Cunningham, Martin, Faulk (3rd down)
TE - Gronk, Coates
WR - Moss, Morgan, Fryer, Edelman
OL - Holloway Hannah Morris Mankins, Armstrong
DL - Seymour, Wilfork, Houston Antwine, Bob D, Jim Hunt
LB - Tippett, Buoniconti, Hightower, Bruschi, Nelson, McGinest(swing man)
CB - Haynes, Law, Butler
S - McCourty, Harrison, Milloy
K - Adam V.
All rounder for back up duty - Gino Cappelletti
Coach - BB
I didn't fill out a full 53 but the guys who would see the field the most and the reason so many DL and LBs was to have the 3-4 or 4-3 option.
We can debate guys over other guys but I am trying to imagine this team vs others.
Pats Edge
QB - advantage over any team period
TE - advantage over any team period
Those 2 spots are clear where the all time Pats have the edge with a devastating 1-2 combo in pass catching and run blocking TEs and the best QB. A big reason the Pats might be the best all time team is the fact I don't think any other all time team has the edge in 2 spots. That is huge.
In the mix with the best units.
DBs - as good as anyone - Maybe a few teams are as good but I don't know if I would consider any as having better DBs.
OL - as good as anyone - Maybe I would give all time Broncos or Dallas an edge but is is very close and close enough to put this group against the other elite squads.
K - Adam V is clutch within 50 but the distance means a few guys could be argued to be just as good. In certain situations he is the best. Kicking it out the back of the end zone? Nope. But as good as any kicker.
Lacking
WR - Even if the Pats count Moss their all time WR list as far as depth of stars pales in comparison to others. The Pats have had maybe 2 great WRs... maybe. Other teams have had 4 or 5.
RB - The Pats have had a lot of good RBs but no Jim Brown or Payton or Sanders transcendent player. They can't compete in that area.
LB - Tippett is a top 10 all time guy but other teams with 10 top guys have more talent behind them.
DL - The Pats have never been a team with amazing pass rushers. Their best is probably Tippett and that doesn't bode well.
STs? Who knows it is hard to say. But i like the Pats. They have had some good returners and coverage guys and punters. I will not go into all of that but the unit all time is fairly solid.
While other teams may boast more HOFers and some sexier names this all time Pats team might be the best particularly with modern NFL rules that make it a passing game.
This team certainly has the potential to be one of the greatest, but they haven't even gone through TC yet, let alone played any games.
I will expect the usual 12-4 type of record as long as they're healthy, with a good shot at securing HFA and making a strong postseason push. For those expectations, I am insanely grateful.
I'm not sure about Edelman over Welker considering the rest of the WR corps. Obviously he had the better career and we'd probably take Edelman over Welker but I think we forget how lethal Wes was; his play out of the slot with Moss and Morgan would be insane. Wouldn't be opposed to Troy Brown either
I think in the sense of "Patriots lore" most fans would take Edelman over Welker, that's really what I meant. He's the Tom Brady to Welker's Peyton Manning when it comes to the playoffs, though that might be a bit harsh. Huge factor in many key wins like Baltimore in 2014. But in this specific composition of an all-time Patriots offense I would take Welker. Edelman seems a bit "redundant" compared to what Welker would bring with this hypothetical offenseIm confused, are you saying Edelman has had a better career than Wes?
In 6 years here Wes had 672 receptions (franchise record) and 7,459 yards. Receptions per year were 112, 111, 123, 86 (in 11 games), 122, 118. In 10 less games as a Patriot, Wes has 230 more receptions and 2,200 more yards than Edelman. Wes had 5 100 rec seasons and 5 1000yd seasons here. Edelman has 1 100 rec season and 2 1000yd seasons.
Now, if we are talking about who you take in a playoff game? Sure, I'll take Edelman there (really would take Amendola over both of them)
Only if you include everyone who ever was on the Patriots.
QB - Brady
RB - Martin, Dillon, S.Jackson, Faulk
TE - Gronk, Coates, Francis
WR - Moss, Wayne, Holt, Welker, Morgan
OL - Armstrong, Hannah, Morris, Mankins, Light
DL - Seymour, Wilfork, McGinest, Washington
LB - Tippett, Buoniconti, Seau, Bruschi, Hightower
CB - Haynes, Law, Butler
S - Lynch, Harrison, A.Wilson
K - Vinatieri
going with your rules, Revis over Butler and it isnt remotely close
This Cowboys team would be mighty tough. Is there any position besides QB and TE where the Patriots have the clear edge?
QB: Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman
RB: Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith
WR: Michael Irvin, Drew Pearson, Bob Hayes, Dez Bryant
TE: Jason Witten, Jay Novacek
OL: Rayfield Wright, Larry Allen, Mark Stepnowski, Nate Newton, Ralph Neely
DT: Randy White, Bob Lilly, Charles Haley, Harvey Martin, Too Tall Jones
LB: DeMarcus Ware, Chuck Howley, Lee Roy Jordan, Ken Norton Jr.
CB: Deion Sanders, Everson Walls, Mel Renfro
S: Darren Woodson, Cliff Harris
They'd be tough for sure.
I would say
QB: Pats
RB: Cowboys
WR: Depends (if we count Moss... Pats if not Dallas)
TE: Pats
OL: Cowboys (close)
DL: Cowboys
LB: Pats (kind of surprising Dallas doesn't have a better LB history)
CB: Cowboys (close)
S: Pats (close)
Coaching: Pats
I think it be a great game.
We need to remember though the starters will play most of the snaps so these rosters are top heavy. When you look at just starters and a few key backups the Pats are up there with Dallas and if it gets into a passing game have the edge. Great job putting that list of players together by the way.