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    Do you see Seau or Brown coming into the middle of camp if they do not rejoin the team in 5 days at training camp?

    I think its a done deal with Brown who I am 99.9% sure that will announce his retirement within the week and I say if Seau is not here in 5 days at the start of camp he does the same - With Seau's work ethics and attitude I cannot see him just wait on his decision and miss camp,I think if he is going to go into another season he will either do it by thursday or finally hang it up.

    Ty Law apparently has no interest anywhere as well, especially with his salary demands, so maybe its a retirement trifecta we see in a few days - Although of the 3, I think Law gets signed late by a team desperate for some DB depth.

    I have not heard anything about these 3 guys so I guess its 5 days or bust for them.
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    Definitely not so with Seau.
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    Should the Pats retire Troy's number?
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    Love Troy but... No.
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    The NFL is currently discouraging teams from retiring numbers. The only current Pat who's likely to receive that honor is Brady.
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    We all love Troy but he doesn't even come close to that level of player. He only had 1,000 yards in a season once. Sure he brought a lot of intangibles - and he's a lot of people's favorite player - but this is an easy NO.
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    Ok, I'm biased because he's my favorite, but I'll try to sell it. He's the second longest playing Patriot (15 seasons) behind only Grogan, he has the most receptions of any Patriots player ever, the second most receiving yards, and is the all time leading punt returner. If you add on the fact that he's been incredibly clutch, coming through single handedly with post season plays that won games for us and has played just about every position possible (was even the 4th string QB) I think he has a shot. Before last year Brady didn't have the stats either don't forget. I think he's the second most important player on the Pats in the last 10 years behind only Brady.
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    Your point though is basically because Troy Brown was a great Patriot, he should have his number retired. But in reality, there are a ton of receivers who are better than Troy Brown who don't have their numbers retired.

    Should the standard apply to the team, or should the standard apply to the league? IE, should the 5th (and I'm just throwing that number out there) best player in any team's history get his number retired, or do you have to be in the top 150 in the league history?

    Personally, if you're not a Hall of Famer you should not have your number retired, no matter what team you were on. That's the starting point for any retired number discussion. And even that shouldn't guarantee you anything.

    So, as others have said, this is an easy no.
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    I'm talking about the team retiring his number, not the league. A team retiring a number should reflect how important he was to that franchise, not the league, and certainly not in comparison to other receivers. In the era of Fantasy it's easy to plug in his numbers and see that he's never been a top 5 receiver in the NFL, but he's been an invaluable part of the Patriots which you can't really quantify. Many franchises have retired numbers of players that weren't League-wide leaders but were invaluable to the franchise.
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    I know the league isnt retiring his or any number. But my point is that the retiring number standard should apply to the league, not the individual teams. Again, if you're not a Hall of Fame player, I don't feel your number should be retired.
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    I'll buy what you are selling. Troy Brown is very important in the history of the Patriots. Steve Nelson's # is retired, and you are going to have a hard time convincing me the reasons are any different at all than the reasons to retire Browns.
    Brown is one of the faces, and one of the top contributors to 3 Champions (granted he contributed much less to the last 2 than the first one). What better critieria can there be to retire a number?

    I would add Wille McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Richard Seymour, Matt Light and of course Brady to the list of #s that deserve to be retired to honor the dynasty so far.
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    Retired numbers of Patriot Players not in the NFL HOF:

    40 Mike Haynes
    56 Andre Tippett
    57 Steve Nelson
    79 Jim Hunt
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    Exactly, though I'd argue Mcginest and Bruschi yes, Seymour and Light no. At least not yet for the last two. The difference being the tenure and the intanglible leadership/inspiration role of the first two. We shouldn't forget that this has been the most important era in Patriots history, and most likely the future too.
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    Its easier to think in those terms with players near the end of their careers, but Light and Seymour have contributed more to those 3 titles, arguably than anyone not named Brady.
    When they end their 12-15 year careers as multiple time probowlers and you look back at the run of X number of SB starting with them starting as rookies, and continuing with them having huge roles in the dynasty, it will be an absolute no brainer. MORE than McGinest or Bruschi.
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    I'll agree that it's too early to determine, and you very well could be right. But I think that Bruschi and Mcginest have had a larger impact on other players on the team than Light and to an even lesser extent Seymour have had. I obviously don't know for sure, but from what I've seen and heard, not as many players look up to Light and Seymour as Bruschi and the Godfather. And to add onto the idea that it's not just skill/personal performance, Seymour is probably the most talented player out of the whole group.
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    Brady, Brushi and the Hoodie are what should be retired IMO. Brady is obvious and no coach should wear the Hoodie after Bill. I add Brushi because he was both a great player and went above and beyond what anyone could imagine with his comeback - although he wasn't the same player again. That's it for me, The Patriots are an amazing amalgamation of the pieces and no other player stands out head and shoulders IMO.
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    Jim Lee Hunt's number is retired? haha.

    I imagine that's because he was one of the two best tackles in AFL history.:rolleyes:
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    I hope Brown, Seau, and Law all come back for one more run at it. That was another one of the things that sucked about losing the SB, Brown and Seau could have gone out on top
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    There are too many Patriot numbers retired already. They need to unretire all of them, have a ceremony honoring them all again and grandfathering them into the new HOF to take the sting out of that, induct all the previously mentioned dynasty era players and Bill/Scott into the new Patiots HOF within a year or two of their retirements, have the players who wear that number going forward wear a patch signifying a former wearer is now enshrined in the Patriots HOF, and only retire the number of players who are in both the Foxboro and Canton HOF going forward.

    As for Seau, Troy and Ty I do think it's 5 days and counting although Ty could get the call most anywhere a week or two into camp if the $$$ is dangled. I think Seau will surface here unless his body has said enough, but I don't think Troy will. And I think any other team who envisioned him as a veteran presence would have wanted him on their roster in May to learn their offense and mentor youngsters. So I do expect a retirement announcement from him soon unless he decides to hedge his bets as a NE shadow roster candidate for one last season. And I am not worried about the team doing the right thing by him when he does make an announcement.
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    Troy is done. A great contributor in character AND clutch production. A fav, but no to retiring his #.

    Seau's possible presence here is also a function of Pats LB corps health and demonstrated rook potential.

    Once CBs around the league start getting injured in training camp, we may see Ty Law signed. He will have to trim his $ expectations. Will he?
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