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  1. oldrover

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    It's tough to see how the Pats spend to the cap this year, at the rate they're going. I'm not saying they should make big FA splashes, but I certainly hope they lock up some guys... Seymour, Branch... and I really think the front office needs a course in PR. Letting all these guys go and giving the perception (true or not) that it's all just business is not helping their image. I know, image doesn't win games... but it certainly makes a difference in how Pats players and others around the league view the team. And not a good one. JMHO.
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    I agree but I'm cautiously optimistic that BB and Pioli have a Master Plan...I just hope it doesn't involve Chad Brown/Monty Biesel/Duane Starks type of players again. :eek:
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    Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the message board.......

    We are one week into free agency. Can you hold this thought until training camp? If we are in the same position then as we are today, then feel free to re-post and I will be the first one to back you up!
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    Being one week into free agency has nothing to do with the PR style of letting popular players go.
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    Who the heck cares who's popular or not? You pay a player for their production Givens is over payed for a #2 guy, and Willie got old. **** happens, deal with it and move on.
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    A course in PR...explain that..what you would do if you were the Patriots??? WHat have the Patriots not done?? Have you heard anything at all from them regarding Givens or McGinest other than good words????
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    Last years free agent aquisitions were a total disaster. Fans have the right to be a little concerned as we watch cornerstone players leave the organization with out a hint of activity ,unless you count signing an unproductive cast off wide receiver. With that being said management deserves a pass for last year based on their success. Football must be played and managed for the now. With cap issues and injuries you cant count on sh** , even 2 or 3 years from now. We have a nucleus to win now if we add the right free agents and draft picks. I am tired of the blind following that managemnt gets. I appreciate their past success as much as anyone, but would like to know they are still awake at the wheel!!! Lets be bold and win now.
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    It certainly does. What PR work do they have to do right now?

    Givens got more $$$ than most people here thought that the Patriots should have paid him. Willie got more $$$ than most people here thought that the Patriots should have paid him.

    Bob Kraft and BB called Willie after he was released. It just wasn't the call that he wanted to get. We haven't heard directly from Troy Brown that he is unhappy. Someone told someone who told someone is not a statement from Troy.

    Please tell us exactly what you want them to do for PR. Just don't throw a bomb.
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    Are we playing tomorrow??? I didn't know we had a game scheduled..what time is it???
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    I haven't heard anything out of them. That's the problem. Hell, they could have had a big press conference when they released Willie, with BB reiterating what he's meant to the franchise and saying he hoped they could still come to an agreement, but that regardless, Willie was a great player, yadda yadda yadda. Is that so hard? Doesn't compromise negotiating position at all, but shows the players and the fans that the team appreciates the man.

    I'm just sayin'... :D
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    Given the cap space available I would have made Willie an offer damn close to what he got in Cleveland!

    This was not a good week for the Pats front office.

    A new contract with Branch AND Seymore would go a long ways in cheering me up. But I don't think anyone will blame me if I have my doubts on that ever happening.

    This attached picture is something we should have never had to see!

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    You don't think the organization appreciates all that he's done??? Why a big press connference then?? Would that eb good PR?? Sometimes saying nothing is the best thing at the time. WHy is being quiet a problem?? Maybe you should look back on the last few years and see how they have done things.
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    Wow, where would this forum be without your keen insight!!!!
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    So if you say ONCE that you appreciate someone, you never have to say it again? I guess you're not married. :D
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    That was touching. 2003 season, SB Champions, 2004 season SB Champions,2005 Season playoff team in spite of devastating injuries.

    And, they need to prove it to you in 2006, after 1 week of FA? They may be asleep the wheel and they need "fans" like you to keep them awake?:eek:

    Sorry, but you are a moron.
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    A lot further than with your myopia.
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    Most of last year's FAs were lost to injury, especially in the secondary with Chad and Duane.

    EDIT: However, they definitely miscalculated with the LBs (Chad and Monty)
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    Part of that miscalculation also had to do with Ted Johnson's retirement which happened way after both were signed. That kind of changes the situation a lot...but many fail to understand that or politely overlook that that had any impact.
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    Seems to me the players leaving for the money are the ones that have an image problem. After all their talk of team and togetherness, they scramble for the extra dollars faster than duck finding water.

    Respect is all they want until they get a better offer. I have no problem with Givens or Willie Mac taking the money - but please, don't whine about being disrespected because we did not feel you were worth the money you found. DGIV where is the appreciatoin for all that you were taught by the Patriots? F where is the realization that they tool you from a lowly 2nd day choice and molded you into a number two. Yes, you worked hard, but you learned from the best. Willie Mac - shame on you, all those years, all the love, all the 55 jerseys, all the talk about respect, you sir, disrespected the Krafts and the area by the comments you made on the way out as you grabbed your 12MM goldmine. Your comments this afternoon may be to little to late for my liking.

    I can only imagine what we will hear from the "disprespected idiot kicker" if he leaves. How can he embrace Gino one year and leave the area that idolized him the next? Is he nuts? Is his agent on drugs? He could have years of endorsements, appearances, radio & TV spots for years to come. I cannot believe he will leave for what may amount to but a few more million over 3 or 4 years.

    Please, Mr. modern athelete, do not bite the hand that fed you and do not disrespect the game.
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    Just who would you have preferred they signed last year? It was a weak draft for LB's and they got the best available.
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    Lets hope we don't Wiff this year in free agency or maybe even your rose colored glasses may fade. I will never forget the great run, but I think we still have the best core and are capable of more with the right aquisitions!!!!!! Lets go after SB 41.
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    I think BB cares about wins and losses, not PR.

    Thing is I'm guessing he has a plan to optimize the roster for this year and the next few years. Maybe if we sign some of the fan faves, we may not be able to sign others (Seymour, Branch). If I have to choose between fan board mavens and BB, based on BB track record I think I'll stick with him.

    Injuries were the issue, from Tedy's medical issues to T Johnson's retirement to all the in season injuries. In particular, Beisel & Brown were asked to fulfill roles last year they were never intended to fill.

    BTW it is remarkable the injuries the team overcame in the SB 38 & 39. Getting where they got in the playoffs after losing the 2 coordinators and all the injuries may have been more impressive.

    This offseason may be seen, in the future as a transistion year between part 1 & 2 of the Patriots dynasty, the Brady era.
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    I don't fault the players who left. They were either cut or not resigned or got offered more money elsewhere and I don't fault them for taking it. There's no real loyalty from either side except when a player is on the team with a contract. It isn't easy as fans to see popular players who have had good to great careers here leave no matter what the circumstances are. Willie was a fan favorite. Adam was a fan favorite. If Troy Brown goes to another team, who didn't like Troy Brown? We got bingo !! BB has a history and track record of cutting popular players and it started in Cleveland with Bernie Kosar. I read a statement somewhere of BB's where he praised Willie's play for him. The others I'm not so sure. I don't think they need to have a press conference about it. The Patriots have cut popular players, or they left for more money if thier deals ran out, just about every year. Some years the Patriots brought in players that made the team just as good, or better, so it was largely forgotten. Some years they've missed on the players they brought in. It IS early for anyone to be slitting thier throats yet, but today, on March 17th, the player brought in doesn't match what went out. Doesn't mean there won't be good additions and it can't just be assumed there will be good additions.
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    I think that this happens when willie retires from the game and if he chooses to come back and retire as a patriot. That seems like the more appropriate time to have a press conference. When someone leaves for another team, all the Press conferences and the like should be left to the acquiring team and the player himself.
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    Personally I'd rather win Super Bowls.

    But there is presidence for keeping popular players past their prime and over their value for the fans.
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    On the general topic of the thread - I have a tough time understanding why BB or SP or SOMEONE from the organization doesn't just give Troy a call and tell him where things are.

    I have no problem with the team making an unemotional decision to let him go, but there's no reason they need to make their job tougher if indeed they want to re-sign him for short money

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    No matter how bad the "Old Guard" hates on you. I agree with you 100% If the quality Free Agents out there get the perception that the Pats are an Ice Cold buisness machine. They will stay away. Believe it or not.

    In Bill I trust, sometime
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    Don't be ridiculous. You can have good PR and win Super Bowls while properly valuing players (which I think they do very well). The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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    now thats what im talking about.
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    I an quite sure the Patriots FO has a "master plan". I would think that ALL NFL have a plan. Since there are so many variables involved, to have our plan translate into 3 out of 4 SB's is incredibly fortunate. I'm on the bandwagon. When I see a mass exodus of players leaving and not wanting to be part of the NE Patriots team I'll think about about not paying as much attention to the team as I do now. My hunch is that's gonna be a long frikkin time from now. :rocker:

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