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    Highlights (lowlights maybe):

    No talk with the Pats since last year.

    Categorizes chances Givens stays with Pats as low.

    Talked about a guy like Givens who was a low pick, hasn't made big $, and who because of his age really only has 1 shot at a LT contract in his career isn't likely to leave a lot of $ on the table.

    Said he doesn't know what to believe on CBA but that without one it is not an ideal time to be a FA.
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    It seems really, really weird that they haven't even been talking . . .
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    Yes, yes it is. There must be some behind-the-scenes issues (work ethic), that we'll not know until another biography of BB comes out.
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    From all accounts that is absolutely not a problem although we can't know for sure. Maybe they just know what he'll want, know they won't pay it and aren't bothering. I don't know.
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    Bingo! You do know. Givens needs a big contract and the Pats know that their cap scheme does not allow big bucks for Givens AND The Twig. They've let Givens go on the market. I wish him well. This is his chance for career success.
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    Yeah, that was pure speculation, because I think there must be more to the story if they won't even make a phone call. It could be that BB is tired of Givens coming on late in the season and in the playoffs; he wants production in the early stages of the season too.
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    The impression I got is they just weren't close and that is why they aren't talking.

    If Blank and Givens are looking for 6 years 33 million and the Pats think he is worth 3 years 13 million that it doesn't make any sense to talk until they know what the market will bear.

    The numbers above are hypothetical but it was the sense i got for the interview that the Pats salary scale for their #2 WR spot simply isn't in the ballpark of what David wants.
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    I agree, they probably left it last year at "this is the ballpark we'll pay, if you want to talk about numbers like this you know where to reach us".
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    BB is all about value. Up til now, Givens has been excellent value. It sucks to lose him, but we got great performance out of a seventh-rounder for three years. I wish him well, and hope he cashes in. I know he'll play hard wherever he winds up.
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    I wish I had realized WEEI was actually going to have a total football show on Saturday afternoon.

    Blank did mention that David called him the moment he heard about Wayne's contract. Brad calmed him down and told him not to read too much into it as far as his situation is concerned. LOL I know David has been rumored to want a lot more than the Pats would even consider since the 2003 season and SB. The only dig I ever hear, and he's not alone in this, is that BB believes injuries are different than playing hurt - and we have a lot guys lately who can't or won't play if anything hurts. BB is pretty old school in that respect.

    I only heard snipets earlier but Blank had the best explanation of what is going on with the CBA that I've heard. He bumped into the Eagles GM at Logan on his way to the combine and they talked for half an hour about what was holding up the CBA and how to get around the poison pills contract structure wise. He also said that clauses may be incorporated into contracts that totally restructure the deal in the event of a new CBA. He said the management council has indicated such clauses would be approved.

    According to Blank the deal with the union is essentially done, as we have heard from some reports. The haves have agreed to share the wealth by opening up DGR to Total Revenue. The percentage the union gets has been agreed to. The hangup is the union wants to see how the owners agree to divide that total amongst themselves, and as the Philly GM said it's really none of their damn business.

    Brad says the union is now apparently concerned that the haves will not give enough of their excess of expanded revenue to the lower revenue teams to make it easy for them to keep up with expanded salary demands. I guess the union wants true socialism - pool it all and divide it equally. The haves are saying no way we hand more than half of our revenue over and let the underachievers of the league spend our money to beat us and sit back and count the left overs after the players are paid as their newfound unearned windfall profit.

    So now it is up to the owners to agree on a formula for revenue sharing that doesn't rape the haves to placate their underachieving billionaire and multi millionaire partners who will then have no incentive to manage or market their franchises any better going forward. And apparently it has to be one that pleases the union too. No wonder this deal isn't getting done.

    Blank actually agrees that the hardest working owners shouldn't be penalized for succeeding. He says he's seen how little marketing Bidwell does in AZ - talked about how they set up temporary kiosks on game day that sell like 1 hat and 1 shirt (their two top players), and disassemble them once the game is over. He mentioned all Kraft has done with the web site, PFW, programming, the pro shop, etc. Said he isn't sure why the union should care how the owners share revenue amongst themselves as long as the cap goes up including the cap floor.

    It seems to me Upshaw's time would be better spent wagging his finger at the underschievers, or in the mirror. If Upshaw cares so much about parity, his threats of an upcapped future must be pretty hollow. Either that or he's just using the owners disagreement about revenue sharing amongst themselves as a blame cover to get to an uncapped future. Wouldn't be the first time a "players union" killed or permanently disabled the the vehicle that provides for it's members very existence in the quest for unlimited contract potential and then tried to blame ownership for the mess left in it's wake.

    Ted did say later that Upshaw has always told them there can never be guaranteed contracts in football because of the physicality. They would bankrupt the league. Ted is scratching his head that just getting more money doesn't seem to be enough to avoid potentially killing this golden goose. He mentioned the same relationship between Tags and Upshaw that Dr. Z questioned this week - guys who have been in bed together for so many moons it is tough to believe they still aren't somehow in this together. Maybe it is somewhat contrived - sure is elevating drama and interest in the NFL at a time of year that is usually the dead zone. If so, I hope they don't take the drama too far and get all caught up in character.
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    Ch-Ch-Ch-Chaanges 2006 will be vasly different

    Next years Patriots are going to be significantly different than the past couple of years... the uncertainty of the cap is throwing everything out of whack. BB has already said it is impossible to work on free agents without knowing what they have to work with. If ever there was a year to hope and pray for a great draft, this is the one.

    Here is the way things are shaking out:

    A) Going, going...as good as gone!

    Givens
    Vinatieri

    B) Will they stay or will they go, (10 of 17 FA's that matter)?

    Neal
    Ashworth
    Willie Mcginest - not a free agent, but will be unless 3.5MM bonus is paid.
    Fauria
    Brown
    Chatam
    Andre Davis
    Dwight
    Hawkins
    Scott


    C) Already gone.

    Starks

    D) Possible holdout.

    Seymour - do not overlook the fact that he could holdout this year.

    E) Players in last year of deals: Once upon a time, this would be the time the patriots would address players in the last year of contracts - cannot do that now:

    Seymour, Branch, Koppen, Assante Samuels, Dan Graham

    F) Injury concerns:

    Harrison - we need him back badly.
    Brady - I am not really worried


    What a weird and wild offseason this one is shaping up to be.
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    I heard that interview this afternoon. Totally unexpected. Perfect time of year for a Saturday afternoon Manny gripefest and they throw Bill Burt and Ted Johnson on for some great football talk. That Blank interview was fantastic. It was great to get the player/agent side of things in terms of contract negotiations, CBA, etc. Blank was very professional. He represents Givens, but completely understands how the Pats do business and why they might opt to let Givens go. No shots at Belichick for not paying players. Just a great all around interview and one of the best I've heard on WEEI in a long time.
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    One thing that might concern Upshaw is that as the salary cap goes up, the teams that aren't doing so hot will not spend. We'll have a lot more teams like Cincy going forward. As the salary cap escalates, you can expect the NFL will begin to look more and more like the NHL, with some teams not coming anywhere near the cap. It just stands to reason that they'll reach a certain point when the cap has risen beyond the abilities of some smaller market teams. I assume this is why Upshaw is making this argument. I think he's wrong, but there it is. More money to the smaller market teams would mean more teams spending right up to the cap, which equals more $$ for players.
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    I first said it on this messageboard on January 18th.
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...thread.php?p=27186&highlight=insult#post27186

    I will say it again now. The Patriots will not make an offer to Givens at all. Why???Because they can not make Givens an offer that they will have a reasonable expectation of him accepting the offer. Why offer him a 2 million per year deal when you know that it will be rejected??
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    Superlative report, Mo! I read the thread expressly hoping that someone would write up the significant contents, if any. Never imagined such a jam-packed account. (I even agree with your editorial stance.)

    You also said (about Givens):
    The only dig I ever hear, and he's not alone in this, is that BB believes injuries are different than playing hurt - and we have a lot guys lately who can't or won't play if anything hurts. BB is pretty old school in that respect.

    Funny, i had begun wondering about that. If there is anything to it ... that's a fairly important matter.
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    Look at Givens this way.... He was late round pick that was given plenty of time to develop and DID. Good for him and good for the team. Now he's an UFA and can get his one big payday he deserves for all that effort and production. Obviously the Patriots don't seem interested in being that team. Both sides move on, thanks for the memories....Both sides are winners here. I can't MAKE the front office want to resign him..... :rocker:

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