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    He's 100% right, so what's the big deal?
     
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    This may sound like an unnecessary jab at our celebrity obsessed culture but... any athlete who thinks that his fans (who don't actually know him) should "love" him needs to have his head shrunk.

    And vice versa, any fan who thinks they love an athlete or celebrity needs to re-evaluate their priorities. Love someone you know, not someone who can throw a football.
     
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    That's fine, but the part about the athlete thinking his fans 'should' love him is not the context of the comment:

     
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    So if I follow this right...somebody claims to adore you. You jerk them around and trample on their affection for years. Eventually they turn against you. So then you say that proves they "never loved you to begin with"?

    That's a little creepy.

    :scared:
     
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    Not really. Even though he was an INT machine even with Green Bay, Favre was one of my favorite quarterbacks in the league. I had a ton of respect for the guy... up until about 2006 when he continued jerking the media and the rest of us around with his, "well should I or shouldn't I. Yeah, I'll retire. Wait! No I won't" BS. He did it again the next year only he actually RETIRED then came back. It's amazing that I actually began to despise the guy when he was still technically in Green Bay. His move to the Jest only sealed it for me.
     
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    Then you weren't really a Favre fan. That's his whole point.

    And he's right. When the Patriots make a move that leaves you pissed off or confused, you don't stop being a fan. Same rules apply.
     
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    I guess I wasn't really a Johnny Damon fan either when I got pissed off over him signing with the Evil Empire...
     
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    That is creepy. He is one of the most self absorbed athletes ever! He is so full of himself, and has been his whole career, that it's just that - creepy!
     
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    "Love" is a multi-faceted word, so I have no idea what Brett Favre means when he talks about fans who do or do not, did or did not, "love" him. And, to be honest, after the last two years, I just, flat-out, don't care.

    But, I strongly agree with your second comment. It's a little weird when fans seem to invest too much in their feelings for a celebrity or athlete, or especially for a celebrity athlete like Tom Brady. Even the very best and most decent of these folks (and I would put Brady in that category, without a doubt) are presenting us with a carefully crafted persona. That's not to say that there isn't sincerity and truth in that persona, but folks sometimes can burden these people with their own expectations and needs.
     
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    Oh, there are some unforgivable sins. Vick and the dogs, Stallworth and the DUI.... these can have understandably significant impacts. But considering it an unforgivable thing because your 'hero' waffles about playing the game or retiring when he's over 35??

    Come on. We've got Seau right here in New England. I didn't notice too many people refusing to follow him because he had 'graduated'.
     
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    They're working on cold fusion now. After that they can attempt to build a machine capable of shrinking Lord Farve's head.
     
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    Over the the years Favre has alwys be portraited as an every day man, the guy next door that happens to play football. I doubt if anyone knew he was this Narcissitic.
     
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    Personally I have trouble believing Favre's comments regarding his motivation to play:

    "For people who'd question why I did this, I didn't do it for any other reason than to try to play football for a team [Minnesota] I really wanted to play for. It had nothing to do with revenge against the Packers. Nothing. It wasn't about getting back at [Green Bay GM] Ted Thompson. How much more clear can I make it?"

    Sorry, but I just don't buy it. After all these years the one and only team he wants to play for is the Vikings? Revenge has nothing to do with it and the fact they are considered to be favorites to win the division that your former team plays in is strictly a coincidence?



    As far as the fans who "loved" Favre in Wisconsin, what does he expect? They're Packer fans too and his actions essentially forced them to choose one or the other, the Packers or Favre. This is more extreme than the analogy to Johnny Damon because you can at least rationalize that Damon simply took the highest offer to play for the Yankees. Favre only wants to play for one team: his former team's biggest rival. Whether he acknowledges it or not, in so doing he is figuratively flipping the bird to his former employer, teammates and fans. It's as if beating Thompson's team is not enough; it's almost as if Favre also wants all those Packer fans to become Viking fans if and when he plays for Minnesota.
     
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    Actually, he's clearly wrong.

    Deus, are you seriously suggesting that people's feelings can't reasonably change over time? That's what Brett Farve is essentially saying.

    It's been widely reported that many people in Green Bay feel very differently about Farve now than they did 5 years ago - and not because his skills as a football player have diminished.

    It's hardly even debatable that Brett Favre brought this on himself.
     
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    Obviously, it's debatable that he brought it on himself. Frankly, I find that notion laughable. However, he's not 'clearly wrong', he's 100% correct. As for feelings changing over time, I'll say it again in a slightly different manner: If you stop being a fan of an NFL player because he waffles about retirement when he's more than 35 years old, you are the problem, not the player. Furthermore, if you're silly enough to get caught up in the media hype about it, that's on you as well.
     
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    Sorry, but Favre has a warped view of the world. If he can't see how a certain part of his fanbase could feel betrayed by him, he really is a narcissist. He left Packer fans on the hook on the offseason three seasons in a row because of his indecisiveness. Pure Favre fans went on their fourth year. His indecisiveness hurts Green Bay's ability to make offseason moves. His public feuds with Ted Thompson criticizing him over not going after Randy Moss or hiring Steve Mariuchi only hurt the team and really wasn't his call in the first place.

    Favre seems to feel everything revolves around him and he originally won his fans by being a down to Earth guy who easily be one of their buds as much as a HOF QB. He shattered that image in the last few years. I can see why people would be betrayed. Sorry, hero worship is a two way street and if the hero does things to betray his image, his fans can turn on him.

    Hopefully for everyone, he will just go away.
     
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    So you are saying that Favre could not have handled things any better to reduce the media circus? I find that hard to believe. Obviously the media is going to feast on a story like this, but Favre was definitely a contributor to just how big the frenzy got.

    Look at Seau, he has waffled on retirement a few times now, and media circus was miniscule compared to Favre.
     
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    Handling it better and brought it on himself are two different things.
     
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    +1 I agree 100% on this response and for what it's worth, Favre made the Packers in this era. Those who think he overstepped his boundry by publicly calling out Ted Thompson on Randy Moss or Mariuci, I say, he had every right to. If it wasn't for him, they( the Pack) would've been bottom dwellers.

    I have always like Favre and respected his toughness and the fact that he waffled on retirement tells me he was torn. He didn't really want to retire but most likely, his wife and his body were telling him it's time. So what..... if the guy thought he could play another season, he should play.
     
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