Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by Pessimistic Pete, Aug 4, 2012.
and what's the point of this?
Eli's Giants have beaten the Pats the last 3x they've played, and twice ended our Super Bowl dreams. Eli's a goofy looking guy, but in the clutch no one has been better the last few years.
I love these. Found this one a long time ago.
I hate these.
I know not what game you are referring to:nooo:
While you guys are posting these, you should walk around town just kicking Patriots fans in the balls to add to the laughs. :bricks:
I think we've lost our right to say anything about the NYG.
Why can't we laugh at ourselves every once in a while?
I agree with the point of this thread. There is a fine line between "elite" and being on the right side of luck. Obviously I'm biased, but to me Eli has done nothing to show that he's not the latter. When he wins the Super Bowl without an impossible catch on a game-winning drive, I may reconsider. Alternately, if he puts up elite numbers for the first time in his career that may work for me too.
But you wouldn't be saying that if Samuel had not dropped the ball. The throw was atrocious. He threw a stink bomb in the biggest drive of his life and he got away with it.
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
It's not the topic but the content. A no point did I even consider laughing or making the comment "hey, that was very clever".
To say that Eli's sucess is attributed to being on the right side of luck is silly. Its ok to be bitter but look at the big picture.
Eli is not a statistically elite QB but hes had not one but TWO game winning championship drives.
Brady was not a statistically elite QB when he won 3 SBs and had two GW drives.
I couldn't care less about statically elite QBs. Lombardi's are all that matter. Big plays at the right time.
If my team was down 21-17 in the SB, I would feel pretty good with Eli as my QB over 28 other QBs.
Thats all that matters.
i have more reason to hate eli than anyone here, but i simply stopped doing it when he proved he belonged , and when he proved how clutch he was
sure he hasn't always looked great, or even good in his career, and his lifetime numbers aren't stellar
but he turned a corner very rappidly from middle of the pack to elite, and for that, i gotta recognize him as such, and as much as i truely want to hate him, aside from his piece of **** father, he seems like a decent fellow, and a good team leader, not a vocal leader or a rah rah brees type, but he seems like he has a quiet determination about him and he seems like he no longer gets ruffled
i used to think of him as an emotionless robot who looked like he didn't even enjoy playing the game, but i think that's just how he is, and now it's surely working for him
he's not the model of consistency over his career that others have been, but he has turned that ******* corner big time, and the season he had last year was pretty amazing
oh and to throw the obvious out there, i would still trust a guy like brady to do more with less, but then we're also getting into comparisons where you've gotta recognize the greatness that brady has had in belichik
that's not an unfair point, but go back and watch the sb where the 49ers put a last second drive on the bengals, and montana throws a game winner to john taylor
go watch the final drive, because montana throws a pass right into the chest of a bengals LB and the bengals LB drops it.......
luck is a big part of any sport.....believe that!
When it comes to head-to-head matchups you can't possibly deny that Eli>Brady and Coughlin>Belichick.
sure I can...just like YOU deny being a Jets fan troll...
Eli Manning has proven he's a great Quarterback by winning two Superbowls. Once is a fluke twice is a trend. I'm not going to budge on that.
What an idiotic statement. Go away and stay there. Same goes for the OP.
I'm glad you pointed that out about the IMperfect Montana. I don't recall it but I do believe it is very possible. The legacy can outstrip the reality, which is my problem with Eli.
I do believe in luck's legitimacy. Abso-effing-lootly. I would never doubt its value or existence, I do think it's part of the game, part of life, and I won't complain about it going against our team. But it's still important to assign proper cause to an action, and to me that SB42 drive was due to luck, not perfect execution. I'm not saying he did everything wrong but I am saying he never would have finished if luck had not intervened. And I'm speaking of the Samuel drop. Everything after that was just a continuation of the Twilight Zone.
I don't consider two games to be a mandate. Those games were last minute drive games. How could there possibly be a mandate from one vote elections? Besides that look at the way the Giants won those games. In one game Eli threw a pick to Samuel. Dropped by divine intervention. Then came Super Glue time. Divine intervention again.
In the second game the Giants fumbled four times and each bounced back to them one way or the other, only half a Gronk played, and Wes dropped a ball that he normally catches. Divine intervention all over the place.
They deserve the wins but not these conclusions that they are some superior team in head to head matchups.
I agree, it would be like us saying we owned the Raiders after the tuck rule game.
Look, you guys can hate on Eli all you want but the fact is he's going to the Hall of Fame (IIRC almost all QBs with multiple Super Bowl victories are in Canton) and will go down as one of the best clutch quarterbacks of all time.
Not only that, regardless of whether you think it's fair or not, while Eli will perhaps never be considered the greatest QB ever, he'll always be remembered as the guy that had Brady's number.
that's like saying that the Pats O>the Rams O in 2001. You are ignoring the elephant in the room which is that matchup wise, the Giants D was vastly superior to the Pats and is the most suited to deal with the Pats O in the entire league. Also despite this, had Gronk been healthy the Pats win.
Yeah, you're a Pats Fan alright. If you want to be taken seriously, then own up.
Playing like you're all fair and balanced isn't working. You can remember Eli that way if you want, but don't expect to get much agreement around these parts. Go over to the Jets board if you want high fives and fist bumps. All we're starting to hear from you is blah, blah, blah.
Ever hear of the ignore list?
Exactly. It doesn't matter how you win. Its as long as you win. Whether the Pats own the Raiders or if the Giants own the Pats is irrelevent.
Pats won 3 SBs by a total of 9 points. A seldom used rule and hard work propelled them to a dynasty and they deserve it.
Eli's boys win two SBs by 7 points on two last minute drives, great bounces, sticky helmets and Asante's slippery hands.
Both teams deserved to be champions. They worked hard and executed when they absolutely had to. Thats all that matters.
Hate on Eli has nothing to do with it. Its looking at the entire body of work objectively.
With a few more good years Eli may very well be a HoF QB. There are worse QBs in the HoF for sure.
But have Brady's number? Upper-hand maybe as he's had a better defense and running game to work with. He does have two championships but not sure that he owns him. If TB had the ball for more than 22 minutes, Gronk plays, gets some help from Asante and Eli is in the grasp things may go much differently.
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