Eagles trade WR Lewis to Patriots

[JackBauer]

He used to be a pretty good kick returner. I think he led the league in KR yardage one year.

Ah. My memory of him has all but faded.

I'd say Lewis has more potential here as a WR than Johnson, so I think you could project more upside than if we had merely re-signed Bethel.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Ah. My memory of him has all but faded.

I'd say Lewis has more potential here as a WR than Johnson, so I think you could project more upside than if we had merely re-signed Bethel.

Well Bethel just got cut by his CFL team, so it's safe to say that his career in football is pretty much over.

 

[spacecrime]

Being up about a 7th round draft pick is hardly a steal in my book, that's just dross to even out the trade based on both teams' valuations.

Are you kidding? Seventh round picks are highly valued by NFL personnel men.

According to the NFL,

Full round-by-round order for 2009 NFL Draft

the patriots pick 25th in round 7. As you can see by the below draft value chart, that pick, the 217th in the draft, is worth 4.6 trade points.

If we could just get 100 more of those 7th round picks, we could trade them all for a fourth round pick! And if we could get 600 or 700 of them, we could trade them for the first pick in the entire draft. Don't underestimate the trade value of the 217th pick in the draft.


Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2
2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2

source:
Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

Depth fodder competition. YAWN.

Someone wake me up when we draft someone like Robiskie or sign a receiver with hands who'll get some yards after the catch as the #3.

 

[The_Riddler]

He's a solid 4th wideout, again, I'll take it. But I hope BB isn't done on the 3rd WR hunt, because Lewis isn't that guy.

How were the Jets able to send a 5th to the Eagles for Lito Shepard and we end up with Greg Lewis for the same 5th?

 

[pats1]

There are WRs in the 5th round of the draft that are upgrades over those three too. If you see Lewis as a #3, you're nuts. #4 MAYBE.

I don't. Just sayin' that there's almost nothing behind Moss and Welker right now; we aren't in 2007 anymore, so the belief that the Pats don't need anymore WRs is false.

 

[JackBauer]

He's a solid 4th wideout, again, I'll take it. But I hope BB isn't done on the 3rd WR hunt, because Lewis isn't that guy.

How were the Jets able to send a 5th to the Eagles for Lito Shepard and we end up with Greg Lewis for the same 5th?

Probably because Lito Sheppard isn't the player he once was.

 

[DaBruinz]

But they're also relatively easily attained. Also, remember that the context here is whether we evaluating the trade a steal or not. My point is not that a 7th round pick is nothing, my point is that when evaluating this trade the 7th does little to make it more, or less, a steal. I mean, we gave up a 5th.

Edit: just for kicks, some recent 7th rounders that didn't make your list

Oscar Lua
Mike Elgin
Andy Stokes
Christian Morton
Spencer Nead
T.J. Turner

It's not nothing, but it's a lot more lottery ticket than cash.

I'd hardly call Turner RECENT. Considering it was 8 years ago. As for Elgin, you do know that he's still in the league, yes? So is Morton.

Even not taking those two into consideration, I think that the Pats having six of fifteen 7th round picks work out and contribute since 2000 is a pretty good stat. Can you look at other teams and find out how they have fared?

 

[chrisfx811]

Probably because Lito Sheppard isn't the player he once was.

Well, would we rather have Lito for a 5th or this Lewis guy? Personally, I'm in the Lito camp. It's not like our secondary is scaring any opposing QBs.

 

[PatsFan37]

Well, would we rather have Lito for a 5th or this Lewis guy? Personally, I'm in the Lito camp. It's not like our secondary is scaring any opposing QBs.

You have to look at the whole package. Lito was a 5th rounder plus $3 million for the first year and a $10 million option bonus in 2010.

Lewis was a 5th rounder minus a future conditional, for short money for 3 years. So that 5th bought the Patriots 3 years at low money. The Jets fifth bought them one year.

When comparing fifths, it pays to look past the label to the contents inside. :eat3:

 

[patman52]

Well, would we rather have Lito for a 5th or this Lewis guy? Personally, I'm in the Lito camp. It's not like our secondary is scaring any opposing QBs.

if Lito starts for the jets, the eagles get a 2nd next year, Lito also reworked his contract to 4 years 27 mill if the jets keep him past this year.

 

[chrisfx811]

We could have gotten Lito for a 5th, the released him if he couldn't be worked into a cap friendly situation correct?
Heck, Donte Stallworth was here for a cheap year then gone.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Get back in your cage curmudgeon! :beatingcoming:

Are you kidding? Seventh round picks are highly valued by NFL personnel men.

According to the NFL,

Full round-by-round order for 2009 NFL Draft

the patriots pick 25th in round 7. As you can see by the below draft value chart, that pick, the 217th in the draft, is worth 4.6 trade points.

If we could just get 100 more of those 7th round picks, we could trade them all for a fourth round pick! And if we could get 600 or 700 of them, we could trade them for the first pick in the entire draft. Don't underestimate the trade value of the 217th pick in the draft.


Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2
2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2

source:
Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

 

[Mogamedogz]

Just dont get why we are trading for a guy that Philly would have probably cut anyway.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

But they're also relatively easily attained. Also, remember that the context here is whether we evaluating the trade a steal or not. My point is not that a 7th round pick is nothing, my point is that when evaluating this trade the 7th does little to make it more, or less, a steal. I mean, we gave up a 5th.

Edit: just for kicks, some recent 7th rounders that didn't make your list

Oscar Lua
Mike Elgin
Andy Stokes
Christian Morton
Spencer Nead
T.J. Turner

It's not nothing, but it's a lot more lottery ticket than cash.

Well, I believe I addressed that, but since you chose to characterize a 7th as "dross" when refuting my "steal," it only seemed fair to point out how quickly that definition became unworkable when evaluating the value of those picks that did hit. Heck, as spacecrime so cunningly proved, those 'wasted' picks you list above, taken together, don't even add up to a low 4th round pick...the comp picks for D-Giv and TBC would have matched that easily enough. NE still used a 5th round pick to add a quality STer and got change back, something they did not get in the 2008 draft. The Pats are already ahead of the game, if Lewis blossoms as a WR with Brady as his QB...we might need shades to gaze upon Andy Reid's rosey cheeks.

 

[muslimman]

Im just happy we are making some moves... sure Lewis has some pretty underwhelming stats but Im not going to second guess the Patriots staff.

 

[pats63]

I like the trade....3 years at low cost....most thing is WHO is throwing to Lewis....TB can make any WO look good....Fellas trust the Bill...he knows...GO PATS!!!

 

[Metaphors]

Just dont get why we are trading for a guy that Philly would have probably cut anyway.

If he is cut, he might sign with someone else. Also the amazingly cap-friendly contract would be voided and the Pats would have to negotiate a deal with him as a free agent.

When you take into account the contract that comes along with him and the fact that Belichick obviously thinks he can be a contributor...a 5th seems like a reasonable price to pay in a year when the Pats likely have a dozen picks in the bank.

 

[mgteich]

The bottom line is that about 1/3 of the players picked in Rounds 5-7 have been contributers for the patriots. That doesn't count players who contributed elsewhere, but in a sense that doesn't matter. We picked them to help us, and they were the wrong choice. Many of the players were injured and were good prospectsbefore their injury. It seems that the team is almost 50% at getting contributers from the bottom of the draft.

2002 Givens
2003 Koppen, Banta-Cain
2004
2005 Cassel
2006 O'Callaghan, Smith, Andrews
2007 Richardson
2008 Slater

I would note that about as many, perhaps more have contributed after coming to the teams as UDFA's. Woods, Wright, BJGE, Guyton and Redd come to mind.
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[denverpatsfan]

Didn't we just cut Chad Jackson? Same player.

Another non-move. I guess the team will be built by the draft. I thought last season was supposed to be the "rebuilding" year. Certainly looks like this year will be. I guess the Steelers will take it yet again. Too bad.