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    Shula Sr.'s also probably ticked off that Saban takes over the Bama job his son was just fired from.


    Updated:2007-01-05 10:55:11
    As Saban Leaves, Don Shula Talks of ‘Lies’
    The New York Times
    As Nick Saban was introduced as football coach at Alabama yesterday, Don Shula, who coached the Miami Dolphins to two Super Bowl titles, criticized Saban, saying he had “run away from the challenge” in leaving Miami with three years left on his contract.

    “There were four or five direct statements that were blatant lies,” Shula told The Miami Herald, referring to denials from Saban that he had an interest in the Alabama job. “That tells you a bit about the guy.”

    Shula added, “The guy likes to hear himself talk and then doesn’t follow up on what he says.”

    Shula’s son Mike was fired as Alabama’s coach on Nov. 27. The Tide went 6-7 this season.

    At his introduction in Tuscaloosa, Saban spoke of his championship aspirations and cited his love of college football as a reason for taking a pay cut to leave the Dolphins after 9-7 and 6-10 seasons, The Associated Press reported.

    “My heart’s here; I love it here,” said Saban, who was making $4.5 million a year with Miami and reportedly has agreed to an eight-year, $30 million deal. “I like to affect people, and that’s why I’m here. This is obviously one of the best places in the country to have an opportunity to do that.”


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    Pete Holiday Says: "The bottom line is that it means more wins immediately. ... But the whole process has shown us something else, too. The national media has made it a point to say as often as possible that the Tide was washed up. ... Instead, national sports media basically stopped in their tracks this morning waiting for the announcement." -- Alabama Blogger Reacts Taking over a program that won five national titles under Bear Bryant, Saban refused to dwell in the past.

    “It’s what you do now,” he said.

    His résumé features the one thing Alabama fans hunger for: a national title.

    “I know there’s tremendous expectations here,” Saban said. “I can tell you that, however you feel about it, I have even higher expectations for what we want to accomplish. I want to win every game we play.”

    Saban led Alabama’s divisional rival Louisiana State to a national title in 2003 and two Southeastern Conference championships before joining Miami in late 2004.

    Alabama has not won the conference or even the Western Division since 1999 under Mike DuBose. The Crimson Tide’s latest national title — its sixth — came in 1992 under Gene Stallings. Alabama has had four losing seasons since 1997.

    “His teams always play with confidence and pride and I know that in order to win a national championship, a team has to be mentally as well as physically tough,” said Alabama’s athletic director, Mel Moore, who played and coached under Bryant.

    As for the salary, Moore said, “I just think it was a very crucial hire for us in this time in our history.”
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    Obviously. For Don Shula it was a double whammy: Not only was his son canned for the sake of luring Saban, but Saban also leaves the team that Don made his legacy with in shambles. No doubt he hates the guy.
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    Leave it to the New York Times to find absolutely the most bias person (about this particular subject) on the face of the planet to talk.

    Gee Shula isn't happy that the Head Coach of the team that he is employed by, is leaving to take the job that his son was just fired from.

    WOW who would have thunk it!
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    Shula is just an overated bittter old man. He stakes his glory on a different league from decades ago. He coached his last 22 years without winning a Super Bowl. Maybe he can get the Dolphins to hire Mike :)
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    Yea name me one coach who said during the season, Im leaving after the season to go back to college.
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    Maybe even get Nick Bonticonti and Larry Czonka involved as coaches. Are those guys still alive? 35 years ago and still counting. :)
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    :yeahthat:

    Bada-BINGO!! If you hit the nail on the head any cleaner you'd have to hire a secretary to keep track of all your job offers.

    As to the facts themselves, Don Shula has enough integrity to probably say only what he knows is true. But no doubt this subject couldn't be more personally painful for a man in his position to discuss, twice whacked.


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    Additionally, Saban wasn't actually lying he was just wrong. As I have outlined on the other thread, his friend Chris Landry talked to him the night before the announcement and he was undecided. When he denied it before HE DIDN'T KNOW. And Landry went on to rip his decision on the radio, he wasn't just protecting his friend. Saban was wrong when he said he wasn't leaving but it's not lying if you think it's the truth.
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    He did lie. I think he even implied that he wasn't sure he really wanted the job two years ago. Does he actually expect anyone to believe that? I feel badly for those fans and especially those players. They had a good team before he got there and he just tore it apart and made them less than what they were. Jason Taylor, Zack Thomas, Sammy Knight, Sam Madison, they were the one team that I feared playing in 03. Then Williams bailed on them in 04, and they went down the tubes because of that, but IMO, they were still a good team before Saban got there.

    Supposedly, he told the owner "I really don't want this job, but if you want me to, I'll take it". Say what??? Right, he didn't want to be the coach of the Dolphins. Give me a break.

    IMO, he lied all along. He knew he wanted out in mid-season, and he should have just left the team as soon as he knew. As it is, he stayed and they went 6 - 10 anyway.
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    yea thats one of reasons he was fired.
    Now he has no job.
    Unless he gets Radiers job which still is no job
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    Lying requires intent. If you say something incorrect that you believe to be correct, that's being wrong. If you say something incorrect that you believe to be incorrect that's lying.

    He didn't lie; he was wrong.
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    question for you guys .i didnt know much abt football in 1995 but what i heard about parcells courting the jets during the SB, how was that any better or different ? Why are people so surprised when saban did it . ?
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    :p
    He intended to take the Dolphins job and he intended to tell everyone that he didn't want the job. He believed he was correct because he was forced to take the job, by that very persuasive owner. He believed to be correct not to tell his players he was leaving. He intended to be correct, but his actions intended to be incorrect, just like my actions are correct, but the intent was incorrect. Correct?? Wait. I'm confused. Nevermind.:p
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    Saban said he was not leaving the Dolphins to coach Alabama one week before he left to coach Alabama. It was a definitive quote - I will not be the head coach of Alabama.

    At best, you can say he knew that Alabama wanted him, he knew that it was going to be a monster contract offer, and that he was going to seriously consider it.

    You can say technically it wasn't a lie because he didn't know it wasn't true.

    You can't deny it was anything but a completely disingenuous statement because he certainly knew there was a strong possibility it was going to turn out the way it did.
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    Screw Shula and the Doofins; enough bad things can't happen to them. He was on the rules committee for years and still pisses and moans about the snowplow game, hangs his hat on the undefeated team of 1972 and as others in this thread pointed out, did squat for over 20 years as a coach other than get blown out of Super Bowls..........
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    And, as my alter ego as SabanFan, that's the story I'm sticking with. He was wrong, he didn't lie :D
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    No. It is a lie, for the following reason. When Saban said "I will not be head coach of Alabama" he wasn't making a prediction (about which his honest belief could be wrong) but affirming an intention (like when you say "I will not go along with this").

    I have some sympathy for Saban's situation (if you're not a hundred per cent happy in your job, surely you have a right to consider alternatives, even if you have a contract, and it is hard to do that when there is a public spotlight on you) but he has not handled it well, to put it mildly.
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    All that Saban the liar needed to say was "I'm busy coaching the Dolphins now. Just trying to win a game. Talk to me about post season plans in the post season. Any career questions will end the interview."
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    Sometimes things change. You can affirm your intention honestly and then have a change of heart.

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