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    Deion "Primetime" Sanders was always one hell of football player but not the brightest bulb...How can you defend Vick Deion? Yea, you're right he truly does those animals, I mean what puppy wouldn't want to be drowned, electrocuted or slammed onto the ground?
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    I think it is fair enough to say that Deion Sanders is a complete and utter moron, that Emmitt Smith is a stupid man, and that Michael Vick is an evil scumbag.

    Sanders slammed the door on his own credibility when he "interviewed" Pacman Jones and joked and laughed his way through the conversation. Here we see graphic evidence of the dumbing down of America. God help us all.
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    WOW!

    Not that I didn't see this coming or other posters didn't predict it after Emmitts assinine comments....but let me get his straight as it seems to be he crux of the Vick apologists arguement now..

    Unless he is the "ring leader" there is no reason to go ater Vick. Yes that is right just so you all know there is no reason to prosecute someone for a crime anymore unless they are the one that runs the whole thing nation wide.

    Are you kidding me? This crap is beyond belief. So Deion says he read up on the case and all he got out of the indictment is that Vick loves his dogs in a different way and in his opinion unless the Feds can prove he is the "ring leader" (WTF is a "ring leader" to PEION?) or that the prosecution of this case will end dog fighting in this country he shouldn't be prosecuted?

    I would also like to point out he writes, "I believe Vick had a passion for dogfighting. I know many athletes who share his passion." Really? I hope anyone inclined to hire this bozo now takes a pass and he never again gets a pulpit to spout his ignorance.
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    Deion and Emmet represent one facet of Michael's enablers, the guys who believe that talent (like theirs as elite football players) trumps character and any behavioral issues to the contrary merely require rationalization. Many of them have also probably spent a number of years looking the other way at a subculture they have long known about, perhaps grew up with and in some cases dabbled in or had (or have) friends and family who still do. Those who knew about this subculture and never said a word long ago convinced themselves on some level that even if illegal it was more misunderstood behavior than truly criminal or worse, evil.

    The other facet of the enabling group would be the folks in the Atlanta organization and the league and in business who saw Michael as a potential cash cow to be coddled and protected, including from himself if need be, who learned to look the other way becuse they didn't really want to know the potential depth of his pathological behavior because if they did it could be potentially impossible for them to rationalize it. They are the ones truly jammed up by all this. This is not merely abhorrent to them, it is to the vast majority of their demographic.

    Emmet says Michael 's only sin is not being smart enough to adapt his behavior to his employers standards. Deion realizes since he didn't the real problem now is to get the employers and their demographic to accept just sinking to Michael's behavioral level.

    Both will gain street cred for expressing these views. Trouble is the same guys who can't tolerate Vick's behavior are the one's who provide the means for networks to employ them. They can't save this brother, and if they aren't careful they will lose marketability along with him.

    Editing to add - we seem to be suddenly having an out of order post issue, much like Indy Star has has of late...
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    and i began to like him on the nfl network. Who the heck would let him submit that article??
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    I did NOT wish to start another Vick thread...but leave it to Deion to say some incredible dumb things.

    From PFT......(Just a few things...)http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm


    "Some people kiss their dogs on the mouth. Some people let their dogs eat from their plate. Some people dress their dogs in suits more expensive than mine, if you can believe that.

    "And some people enjoy proving they have the biggest, toughest dog on the street. You're probably not going to believe this, but I bet Vick loves the dogs that were the biggest and the baddest. Maybe, he identified with them in some way."

    So Deion essentially is saying that if Mike was subjecting his dogs to fighting (and likewise "euthanized" the ones who were destined to die in the pit), he only did it because he loved them so much.
    Deion then echoes some Emmitt-style words of wisdom regarding the situation, suggesting that Vick is being prosecuted not because he was the ringleader but simply because he is famous.
    Here's our attempt to take for your a tour into Deion's mind. First, he wants to be the guy who gets the first exclusive sit-down with Vick, for whichever network Deion might be working for if/when Vick ever decides to speak about the situation. Second, Deion is merely adhering to the time-honored pro athlete code that, even if you don't have anything good to say, you make up something good.



    Just incredible..I just do NOT get it.
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    Deion is dumb as his counterpart vick. how stupid does he think the public is?
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    Very odd...out of synch posts......and odd for Sanders...OK not that odd...I do not get it how he can be defended like that..it's silly..which is why I wanted to post it. It's bad enough Vick is oblivious to the seriousness of it..that he's in another world..and then there are these knuckleheads..who really do NOT make sense...good grief!!
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    For some reason the clock changed..I think before the clock was a number of hours ahead?? It's behind the East now..by about an hour...Where are the mods to look into this...
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    Just so we can all read and judge fairly.
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    Ok,
    Does this make anybody else think Deion attended a couple of m. Vicks' "dog parties" & wants to downplay it so he doesn't get implicated?



    are they friends?
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    no probably not.... well i guess there's a chance but i doubt it. Deion is an idiot but he doesn't strike me as that type of guy. I also think he's far too arrogant to be a spectator in something that stupid.

    I agree with PFT's thoughts on Deion's comments; Deion probably just wants to have the first sit down interview with Vick so he's sayign what he's saying now.

    that or he's just a moron.
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    Maybe Deion eats dogs. Or maybe he feels Vick should have stepped up his game to vehicular homicide or serial rape or drug dealing like back in the day. Maybe he's trying to outdo Emmitt Smith.
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    After I heard these comments on the radio, I realized that these guys may have went to college, but I doubt they have a college education under their belt. Do these guys think or are they even capable of thinking before they open their mouths? Do they come up with the most idiotic, jaw dropping crap to say and figure "why not"?

    First of all, Deion seems to want to lump dressing dogs up in outfits with fighting dogs. Last I checked, it wasn't a felony to dress up your dogs, but it was a felony to participate in dog fighting. I agree that people do crazy things with their pets, but fighting them, killing them and betting on it all is far to extreme to be put in that category.

    Second, does it matter if he is the ringleader or just a small level coordinator / financer of dog fighting? Seems some people want the law to work on a sliding scale. Moreso, it sounds like the government shouldn't punish people unless they were the top person. Let alone, let the government determine if he is or not.

    Third, the issues of being famous doesn't make Vick any more guilty than he might be. The thing is, the media covers it more because he is famous. He wasn't complaining when Nike was paying him for being famous and selling their shoes, but when the fame comes back to bite him, his "buddies" cry foul.

    Another thing, I don't know when Deion made these statements, but last I checked... there was a gambling scandal in the NBA and Barry Bonds is about to break the home run record. Sounds like more than nothing is going on in the world of sports. Maybe the guy should open a newspaper!

    Sorry, I don't see this as being a race issue or some personal vendetta against Vick. I do not and will not respect anyone that makes excuses for what Vick is accused of. Emmitt needs to keep his nose clean of problems that don't concern him. He is a like former player and unless he can testify to Vick having nothing to do with the dogfighting, he needs to stop claims of "injustice" or what not. Clinton Portis is an idiot for speaking out too soon about things he has nothing to do with. Deion needs to buy a brain with all that money and learn to use it.... and Michael Irvin (because I'm bashing) needs to stop being an apologist for Cowboy players and wide receivers around the league.

    ESPN.... Fox Sports.... NFL Network...

    Report the news and don't give me BS opinions from has been players.
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    You can take the jerk out of the 'hood but you can't take the 'hood out of the jerk.

    Sanders is nothing more than a glorified pimp for players.
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    Well said..and I agree NOT a race issue at all..they could be white, black, greem, brown, yellow, purple...abuse of animals IS BAD!! And I wouldn't care if it was Bobby Jim from East Bumfk..abuse is BAD no matter who is doing it...where. Allen Iverson also defended Vick and kept syaing that athletes have bull's eyes there..as one pointed out..who places them there??
    dumb athletes who do BAD things.
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    Love this thread -- Google accompanies it with ads for "Floor Sanders", "Wood Sanders" and "Drywall Sanders". :rolleyes:
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    I wonder what Dieon and other guys like Smith or Vilma think about the 67 corpes found on Vicks property.

    From what I heard only a small percent were pit bulls. The rest were other breeds that Vicks crew bought or stole to be use as "practice" dogs for their fighting pit bulls.

    Sick, evil bastards.
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    From the article,
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    The potential impact could be devastating.

    He could lose millions worth of endorsements. Nike has already suspended the release of his new shoe. He could lose millions he was supposed to get from the Atlanta Falcons, if the club decides to cut him. That’s unlikely, but it could happen if he’s convicted or makes a plea arrangement.

    Or his reputation might wind up so stained that he’s never forgiven in the court of public opinion. That would be too bad for the 27-year-old superstar."

    What is interesting, is not what Sanders said, but what he didn't say. At no point does he acknowledge that Michael Vick could go to jail! He discusses the financial implications but not the major implications, the loss of freedom.
    Just my $0.02,
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    Or the fact that he committed a FELONY! None of these guys have lived in the real world, that's it in a nutshell.
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    Deion bends over backwards to defends his race. He doesn't care what the issue or the evidence. Deion always tries to shed a favorable light on the his race in sports. It's his right to do so, but it's obvious he cares more about making his race look good then he is about what's right and wrong. He reminds me of Jim Brown, Rev Al Sharpton. I think we all know Vick hasn't been convicted of anything and I'm not saying he's guilty, but to defend dog fighting is idiotic and I'll bet if it were a white football player in the same position, Deions view would be different....GUARANTEED!!!!!!!!
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    Deion's article isn't quite as bad as I thought, but it is still an effort to help Vick, a misguided effort, and a fairly clever and well-written effort at that.

    But it is dead wrong.

    As to what role Vick had in the whole affair, let's leave that to the law. All we have are news reports, which may be right or wrong, complete or incomplete.

    As for using Vick to get to the "ringleaders" -- if he isn't the ringleader-- that's a time-tested police procedure and it often works. They could be doing exactly the same thing if he wasn't a famous athlete.

    As for the "many athletes who share his passion," I'm dismayed to hear it. Would Deion care to tell us who he's talking about? Could he be called by a Grand Jury to reveal these names?

    Dogfighting is despicable. Any human beings who "share this passion" diminish themselves. Any human beings who knowingly tolerate this activity are reprehensible.

    In my opinion, this is a crime that, like child abuse, reveals something missing in the psyche of the perpetrator.

    Bringing up the murder of Darant Williams or the robbery of Antoine Walker is phony baloney. The fact that the perpetrators in these cases haven't been caught has nothing to do with the Vick case. All three should have been caught.

    Comparing a dogfighting ring to a MySpace page is equally invalid. What he's saying, I think, is that the law's pursuit of the dogfighting case is disproportional to the crime, in the same way a teen's passion for MySpace is out of whack. The metaphor doesn't fly. In fact, it doesn't even taxi down the runway. It is a doomed attempt to softpedal the crime.

    In fact, much of what Deion has written here is an attempt to soft-pedal the crime. Wouldn't we like to ask Deion how he personally feels about dogfighting and how often, if ever, he's attended a dogfight?

    The simple fact is, if Vick has committed this crime, there is no way to stick up for him without getting yourself dirty.

    And one more thing: I am verrrry uncomfortable bringing race into this issue. I don't doubt that plenty of whites enjoy dogfighting as well, and that some of them have committed crimes of the Vick variety. I would never defend them. I think Deion's defense of Vick is much more easily explained by fellow-player camaraderie, admiration of his skills, personal acquaintance and, perhaps, shared pleasures.
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    Foolish comments by Sanders. He just can't stay out of controversy.
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    I really think that is exactly what all of these stations are going after. A personality that will provide some "harmless" controversy. It makes people tune in whether they agree with him or not because they want to see what that controversial analyst is going to say next, which equals ratings. I call it the Howard Stern Syndrome in broadcasting.
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    Couldn't agree more!:rocker:
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    If you read the article he said:
    -Vick could lose millions financially from this. (Agree and hope so)
    -Vick's reputation could end up destroyed from this to the point no NFL team would take a chance on him. (Agree, and again hope so)
    -What a dog means to Vick may be a lot different than what he means to us and him. (Agree and damn sure hope so)
    -Vick enjoyed proving he had the toughest dog on the street and loved his dogs that were the biggest and the baddest. (No idea)
    -Vick was wrong, stupid, immature, and may or may not have been the ringleader. (Agree 100% on the first 3, no idea on the last)
    -Deion is more concerned with bringing to justice someone who killed a human than someone that killed a dog. (Agree, and think both should be concerns)
    -We should monitor our kids activities (Agree)
    -Joey Harrington sucks (Whole heartedly agree)

    He did NOT say:
    -Dog fighting is okay and Michael Vick didn't do anything wrong
    -This is only happening because Michael Vick is black

    I recommend reading what he actually wrote before just passing judgment. If from reading this you think Deion went to his dog fights, well, I think you are crazy. He used allegedly and apparently multiple times, but it's called due process, and as a journalist it's Deion's responsibility to phrase things like this. From reading the indictment, I believe and hope that Michael Vick will be convicted of these heinous crimes.

    A lot has changed from the 90s Deion, to the man who found Christ in 1997. Deion is a hell of a guy, whether or not he was a flashy player. After the horror of Hurricane Katrina he challenged all professional athletes in the four major sports donate $1,000 each in relief efforts. He's also one of the few athletes that offers both money and his time. He has 7 adopted children who were left parentless living in his home, ages 3-18, and not all of them are African-American.
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    Read whatever you like, I've seen enough of Deion to know what he stands for and what his motives are. If you believe he's not defending Vick because he's black, thats your choice, but like I said if this was Brett Favre or Carson Palmer Deion wouldn't be making this situation seem as if it's less then what it is.
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    What crap.

    "Can I ask you a question? Where did AIDS come from? Have they caught -- or even posthumously identified -- Jack the Ripper? Why is our natural lifespan around 70 instead of 150? That's like taking a whole nother lifetime away from every one of us the moment we're born. I think these things are more important than Michael Vick staging dog fights."

    Uh, yah. The guy also states Vick's dogfighting reminds him of trying to wear the flashiest bling, etc.... basically admitting they're both immature pricks. But we're supposed to read and think "after all, everybody either engages in animal deathsports, or carries enough gold on his person to recognize the combined lifetime achievements of Olga Korbut, Nadia Comenietzi (sp?), and Mark Spitz."

    Hey, news flash: that's dumb too Deion. Not criminal, though at the time, all the rage among criminals. But dumb, just on GPs.

    I think he's equating the culture of ego and machismo which leads to "thug style" conspicuous consumption, with culture of machismo and ego of Vick's animal treatment. He's right, but still finds a way to be dumb. The point isn't that this is all harmless stuff everybody does. The point is that 99% of people don't do either of these things, because they're infantile personal statements most of us grew out of by the 8th grade.

    Americans are famously violent toward one another. We constantly have ex jocks lined up on the Sunday jock shows defending present criminal jocks. Big surprise there.

    Well, Deion, you're right in a way.

    If Vick has a meth lab on his property, and he is going to a party where they are selling meth, and he is doing meth, and somebody at the party yells his name and his thugs "dissuade" him from such behavior... I would say a number of things:

    1) If he is not the ringleader, he is an impressive mid level guy. He has his own entourage, he owns the means of production (the property, and the meth lab or dog, depending.)

    2) He is definitely guilty of criminal wrongdoing. It is a tool at the DA's disposal, if in fact there even is a "ringleader," to cut a plea bargain, in exchange for a higher level in the operation. This assumes as yet unproven higher levels in the Vick organization.

    3) Best way to get Vick to think about turning over some "dogfighting king," some Ray Crock or Colonel Sanders of dogfighting, is to make it hurt if Vick does not turn him over. Then you give him six months in prison, and tell him don't do it again. And then you seriously take down the "ringleader." (After all, this guy must have "shows" open all over the region or the country. This "ringleader" must be electrocuting, hanging, and shooting dogs in the millions... this guy is bad news.) That's your plea-bargain.

    4) By the way, the reason he's guilty of criminal behavior is that he committed crimes [allegedly - obviously this is pending the trial, but I don't think he even argues this.]

    We can therefore surmise that the root cause of people looking at vick like he's some kind of criminal, is that he's some kind of criminal (not that he's famous.)

    The reason we recognize Vick on the street as some kind of criminal, is that he is famous. These are two different things.

    Anybody who believes that the famous are victims of society-wide persecution need only talk to the women Paris Hilton was supposed to be locked away with, prior to the machinations that landed her in an "alternative" arrangement. I'm sure the very famous disagree, but the incidence of arrest and incarceration, shockingly, might be even higher among the non-famous of America.

    By the way, I expect Vick's admittence to re-hab, finding of Jesus, and signing of a book deal within the next couple of years, but only if he actually does time or is otherwise made to not play multimilliondollar football for a significant period of time.

    PFnV
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    And so, the two gods of the culture of the jock, and of the culture of the ghetto, are revealed: Money and Rep. What a shock.

    P.S.: I'm sure that dog-fighting existed long before hip-hop infected this country; therefore the racial components within it are probably not as one-sided as one may be led to believe. Imagine that: rednecks and gangstas with something in common.

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