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    Round One Trade-up Targets: These are potential franchise players I project as good fits in the Patriots' system. They are ranked by best value.

    - Adam Carriker, DE/OLB, Nebraska
    - Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh

    Round One value targets: These are players with first round grades who project as good value/fit for the Pats should they be there when they pick. They are listed in Alphabetical order.

    - Jamaal Anderson, DE/OLB, Arkansas
    - Alan Branch, DE/NT, Michigan
    - Ben Grubbs, OG, Auburn
    - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
    - Justin Harrell, DE/NT, Tennessee
    - Ryan Kalil, C, Southern Cal
    - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee
    - Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan

    Round Two priority targets: Targeted value/fits at positions of need, listed alphabetically.

    - Stewart Bradley, ILB/OLB, Nebraska
    - David Harris, ILB, Michigan
    - Josh Gattis, FS, Wake Forest
    - Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers
    - Sabby Piscitelli, SS, Oregon State
    - Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee
    - Eric Weddle, SS, Utah
    - Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland
    - Lamarr Woodley, OLB, Michigan

    Round Two value targets: These are players with second round grades who project as good value/fit for the Pats, listed alphabetically.

    - Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame
    - Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE/OLB, Hawaii
    - John Beck, QB, BYU
    - Justin Durant, SS, Hampton
    - Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford
    - Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois
    - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State
    - Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, Texas-El Paso
    - Jason Hill, WR, Washington State
    - Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
    - Kevin Kolb, QB, Houston
    - Claude "Turk" McBride, OLB, Tennessee
    - Ray McDonald, DE, Florida
    - Antonio Pittman, RB, Ohio State
    - Steve Smith, WR, Southern Cal
    - Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas

    Round Three priority players: Targeted value/fits at positions of need, listed alphabetically.

    - Kevin Boss, TE, Western Oregon
    - Michael Coe, CB, Alabama State
    - A.J. Davis, CB, NC State
    - Brandon Jackson, RB, Nebraska
    - Jay Moore, DE/OLB, Nebraska
    - Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech
    - Paul Soliai, NT/DE, Utah
    - Mike Walker, WR/CB, Central Florida
    - Anthony Waters, ILB, Clemson
    - Usama Young, CB, Kent State

    Round Three value targets: These are players with third round grades who project as good value/fit for the Pats, listed alphabetically.

    - Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina
    - Dan Bazuin, OLB, Central Michigan
    - Josh Beekman, OG, BC
    - Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina
    - Lorenzo Booker, RB, Florida State
    - Courtney Brown, CB, Cal Poly
    - Scott Chandler, TE, Iowa
    - David Clowney, WR, Virginia Tech
    - Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown
    - Leroy Harris, OC, NC State
    - Michael Johnson, SS, Arizona
    - Quinn Pitc ock, DE, Ohio State
    - Aaron Rouse, SS, Virginia Tech
    - Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

    Round Four priority players: Targeted value/fits at positions of need, listed alphabetically.

    - Dallas Baker, WR, Florida
    - Chris Davis, WR, Florida State
    - Mike Otto, OT, Purdue
    - Kevin Payne, FS, Louisiana-Monroe
    - Brian Robison, ILB/OLB, Texas
    - John Wendling, FS, Wyoming

    Round Four value targets: These are players with Fourth round grades who project as good value/fit for the Pats, listed alphabetically.

    - Gerald Alexander, FS, Boise State
    - Jay Alford, DE/NT, Penn State
    - Allan Barbre, OT, Missouri Southern State
    - Doug Datish, OL, Ohio State
    - Clark Harris, TE, Rutgers
    - Chris Henry, RB, Arizona
    - Antonio Johnson, DE/NT, Mississippi State
    - Mike Jones, OG, Iowa
    - Adam Koets, OT, Oregon State
    - Toby Korrodi, QB, Central Missouri State
    - Rhema McKnight, WR, Notre Dame
    - Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia
    - Joe Newton, TE, Oregon State
    - Laurent Robinson, WR, Illinois State
    - Chansi Stuckey, WR, Clemson
    - Robert Turner, OG, New Mexico
    - Darius Walker, RB, Notre Dame
    - Marshall Yanda, OG, Iowa

    Round Five priority players: Targeted value/fits at positions of need, listed alphabetically.

    - Corey Graham, CB, New Hampshire
    - Gabe Hall, OT, Texas Tech
    - DeAndre Jackson, CB, Iowa State
    - Brandon McDonald, CB, Memphis
    - Daren Stone, SS, Maine
    - Herb Taylor, OT, TCU

    Round Five value targets: These are players with Fifth round grades who project as good value/fit for the Pats, listed alphabetically.

    - David Ball, WR, New Hampshire
    - Jacob Bender, OT, Nicholls State
    - Melvin Bullitt, SS, Texas A&M
    - Craig Dahl, SS, North Dakota State
    - Tala Esera, OG/OT, Hawaii
    - Mike Jones, OG, Iowa
    - Uche Nwaneri, OG, Purdue
    - Tucker Peterson, OG, New Hampshire
    - Dallas Sartz, OLB, Southern Cal
    - Andrew Shanle, FS, Nebraska
    - Ryan Smith, CB, Florida
    - C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor


    Sixth/Seventh Round priority:

    - Desmond Bishop, ILB, California
    - Prescott Burgess, OLB, Michigan
    - Daniel Coats, TE, BYU
    - Cullen Finnerty, QB, Grand Valley State
    - Jonny Harline, TE, BYU
    - Will Herring, SS, Auburn
    - Justin Hickman, OLB, UCLA
    - David Lofton, FS, Stanford
    - Tim Mixon, CB, California
    - Matt Moore, QB, Oregon State
    - Dan Mozes, OC, West Virginia
    - Dante Rosario, TE, Oregon
    - Jeff Rowe, QB, Nevada
    - Darnell Stapleton, OC, Rutgers
    - John Talley, CB, Duke
    - Dwayne Wright, RB, Fresno State
    - Zac Taylor, QB, Nebraska

    UDFA priority:

    - Larry Anam, CB, Boston College
    - Bryan Andrews, OLB, Wake Forest
    - Alan Ball, CB, Illinois
    - Geoff Bean, SS, Colgate
    - Kody Bliss, P, Auburn
    - John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati
    - Clifton Dawson, RB, Harvard
    - Ryan Dougherty, P, East Carolina
    - William Gay, CB, Louisville
    - Justise Hairston, RB, Central Connecticut State
    - Roy Hall, WR, Ohio State
    - Matt King, OLB, Maine
    - Lane Kelly, LS, Nebraska
    - Enoka Luca, OC, Oregon
    - Vincent Marshall, WR, Houston
    - Darren McCaleb, K, Southern Miss
    - J.J. Milan, OLB, Nevada
    - Madison Miller, OLB, Indiana State
    - Dan Murray, TE, Connecticut
    - Chad Nkang, SS, Elon
    - Ola Dagunduro, NT, Nebraska
    - Ramzee Robinson, CB, Alabama
    - Justin Rogers, DE, Southern Methodist
    - Syndric Steptoe, WR, Arizona
    - Jason Trusnik, OLB, Ohio Northern
    - Turner Booth, LS, Michigan
    - Justin Warren, ILB, Texas A&M
    - Brian Wingert, K, Northern Iowa

    Additional UDFA values:

    - Calvin Bannister, CB, Hampton
    - Rashad Barksdale, SS, Albany (NY)
    - Willis Barringer, FS, Michigan
    - Mike Barrow, K, Idaho
    - Steve Baylark, RB, Massachusetts
    - Kyle Bessinger, OLB, UAB
    - Mark Bihl, OC, Michigan
    - Steve Breaston, WR, Michigan
    - John Broussard, WR, San Jose State
    - Abe Brown, ILB, Louisville
    - Tristan Burge, SS, Eastern Illinois
    - Dan Burks, RB, UAB
    - Zach Catanese, FS, Arizona State
    - Drew Clardy, LS, Rice
    - Anton Clarkson, QB, Hofstra
    - Brannon Condren, SS, Troy
    - Marquice Cole, CB, Northwestern
    - Alonzo Coleman, RB, Hampton
    - Jon Corto, SS, Sacred Heart
    - Brian Daniels, OG, Colorado
    - Jessie Daniels, SS, LSU
    - Damarcus Davis, WR, Tulane
    - Mike D'Andrea, ILB, Ohio State
    - Michael DePriest, WR, TCU
    - John Deraney, K, North Carolina State
    - Eric Deslauriers, WR, Eastern Michigan
    - Kent DeVinney, LS, Southern Illinois
    - Mike DeVito, DE, Maine
    - Brad Ekwerekwu, WR, Missouri
    - Aaron Fairooz, WR, Central Arkansas
    - Joe Fernandez, WR, Fresno State
    - Jacob Ford, OLB, Central Arkansas
    - Roman Fry, OG, Clemson
    - Brandon Frye, OT, Virginia Tech
    - Joe Garcia, CB, Nevada
    - Luke Getsy, QB, Akron
    - Patrick Ghee, SS, Wake Forest
    - Ryan Glasper, SS, Boston College
    - Will Gulley, FS, Houston
    - Matt Gutierrez, QB, Idaho State
    - Marcus Hamilton, CB, Virginia
    - Ded Harrington, ILB, Missouri
    - Tuff Harris, CB, Montana
    - Adam Hayward, SS/OLB, Portland State
    - Matt Herian, TE, Nebraska
    - Nate Ilaoa, RB, Hawaii
    - Derrick Jones, DE, Grand Valley State
    - Chase Johnson, OT, Wyoming
    - Eddie Keele, OT, BYU
    - Ryan Keenan, OG, Northwestern
    - Andre Kirkland, SS, Kent State
    - Rayshaun Kizer, CB, Walsh
    - Christian Koegel, P, Massachusetts
    - Billy Latsko, FB, Florida
    - Louis Leonard, NT, Fresno State
    - Brandon London, WR, Massachusetts
    - Kurt Mann, OC, Nebraska
    - Trumaine McBride, CB, Mississippi
    - Ed McCarthy, OT, Yale
    - Le'Ron McClain, FB, Alabama
    - Ronnie McGill, RB, North Carolina
    - Dan McGrath, OC, VA Tech
    - Kevin "Boo" McLee, ILB, West Virginia
    - Daniel Muir, NT, Kent State
    - Matt Muncy, SS/ILB, Ohio
    - Legedu Naanee, WR, Boise State
    - Cory Niblock, OG/OT, Florida State
    - Brandon Pace, K, Virginia Tech
    - Perry Patterson, QB, Syracuse
    - Leonard Peters, FS, Hawaii
    - Greg Peterson, DE, North Carolina Central
    - Blair Phillips, ILB, Oregon
    - Chase Pittman, DE, LSU
    - Maurice Price, WR, Charleston Southern
    - Anthony Pudewell, TE, Nevada
    - Mel Purcell, DE, Hawaii
    - Kurt Quarterman, OG, Louisville
    - Kerry Reed, WR, Michigan State
    - Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
    - Mike Richardson, CB, Notre Dame
    - Nick Roach, ILB, NorthWestern
    - Gijon Robinson, FB/TE, Missouri Western State
    - Darius Sanders, DE, Oregon
    - Dan Santucci, OG, Notre Dame
    - Derek Schouman, FB/TE, Boise State
    - Nic Schmitt, P, Virginia Tech
    - Antonio Smith, CB, Ohio State
    - Jeff Smith, QB, Georgetown (KY)
    - Tre Smith, RB, Auburn
    - Jay Staggs, SS, UNLV
    - Derek Stanley, WR, Wisconsin - Whitewater
    - Kyle Steffes, RB, North Dakota State
    - Scott Stephenson, OC, Iowa State
    - Josh Swogger, QB, Montana
    - Kelly Talavou, NT, Utah
    - Marco Thomas, WR, Western Illinois
    - Matt Toeaina, DT, Oregon
    - Steve Vallos, OT, Wake Forest
    - Thaddaeus Washington, ILB, Colorado
    - Andrew Wellock, K, Eastern Michigan
    - Anthony Wollschlager, OC, Miam
    - Abraham Wright, OLB, Colorado
    - Marshall Yanda, OT/OG, Iowa
    - Selvin Young, RB, Texas
    - Justin Zwick, QB, Ohio State
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    BOR you and others never cease to amaze me at all the work you do on the draft, this is not my passion cannot keep track of all of the players and all the other stuff involved. Thanks for making the draft easier, not sure if it is more manageable after all this the NEP.. but makes more sense in this context.
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    Box, as always, I am humbled by you efforts. I can't get my draft board past 45 (of which you have 44), though I keep reconsidering some, I keep discarding others.
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    #12 Jersey

    Box, does this mean that you wouldn't be surprised if the first round delivered us with (for example) Ben Grubbs and Justin Harrell? For my part, that would be a throw the TV out the window scenario.

    What was it about Griffin that took him off your board? His highlight tape and his interviews and writeups all look great to me, without exception.
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    I guess that it's unsurprising that the names on our boards look the same, if the value attached is somewhat different. Fine job indeed.
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    rook,

    will you posting your board (or re-posting) in the next couple of days?


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    I have some opinions, but it's interesting how uncertain I am after years of being utterly confident and utterly wrong. I still think Larry Johnson, Chris Snee, Corey Webster and Bobby Carpenter should be on this team.

    I'll try to pull my thoughts together and get my first round board up for debate, if only to have BB disprove it later.

    I'm totally jazzed about Saturday.
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    Grubbs and Harrell are first round values where the Pats are picking. Harrell appears capable of playing either NT or DE, with a year to develop he is ready to step into Mike Wright's shoes should someone sign Mike to an RFA offer sheet. Grubbs is considered to be one of the more mobile Guards in the draft. I'd be surprised if he was selected, given both the success the Pats have had with Hochstein and Yates, and the depth concerns at other positions, but he would appear to be a good value.

    Griffin's a consensus first round Safety, I personally don't think the best Safety values are in the first round. My Safety focus is a round later with Weddle, Piscitelli, and Gattis. All ballhawks equivalent to Griffin if not a smidgeon better at getting their hands on the ball. All good in run support and coverage.
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    This answers part of my question, but I have to ask the rest. Besides Griffin, you also omitted Nelson and Merriweather. Would your answer be the same for them. Also other picks widely associated with the Pats in the first round like Harris, Woodly, Spencer, Moses, etc are not mentioned or put in the second round. I would find your reasoning worth listening to.

    As with the rest, my kudos for the effort....and thanks
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    Lots of good stuff, thanks! I'm trying to fill the last few slots on my pick-10 list right now, and this is a useful reference. My thought process of the moment: of the players slotted on your board, which are likely to be worth more to the Patriots than to other teams? Justin Harrell, for instance, would be a nice addition to the Pats but much more than that to the many teams desperate for a DT. So while he's on my round-1 list, I think he's an unlikely pick; he'll either go higher or the Pats will dangle him as bait for a trading partner with a high 2nd.

    Oh, one more thing...I have to ask about your Ryan Kalil slot. I like the player a lot, but can he possibly improve the team enough to be worth a 1st-round pick? Where do they play a pure center when they already have a very good young pure center signed long-term?
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    If I knew for sure and certain that Meriweather is not a character risk, then I'd consider him for CB, I want a little more size at Safety after watching Antonio Gates put Gus Scott on IR and Mike Anderson put James Sanders on sick, lame, & lazy in 2005. Nelson reportedly has trouble with playbooks, he is also another small FS who I'd prefer to see at CB.

    Harris is a priority second rounder, as is Woodley, should the Pats be unable to trade back I'd be comfortable with taking one of those lower ranked players for their value/fit for the Pats (as opposed to their generic NFL value). I don't consider Spencer a good fit at OLB, I think he's a better 4-3 DE in the Dwight Freeney mode. Moses just has too many question marks, he also looked stiff and uncomfortable watching him doing LB drills at the Combine and did not impress me in the Senior Bowl.
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    Kalil is considered the best technician as an OL in this draft (Mankins was considered the best technician at LT in his draft), he bulked up from the Senior Bowl and weighed in at 299 when he put on that athletic display at the Combine. That puts him 11 pounds lighter than Mankins and 6 pounds lighter than Neal. I believe Koppen could slide over and play Guard, so Kalil playing Guard isn't that much of a stretch for me. Does he make the team that much better? Perhaps not, I'd more likely "reach" down for a "need" player, but he is a good value at the end of round one and would appear to be an upgrade over Hochstein, Yates, and Mruczkowski with his mobility. I can live with that.
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    Excellent job, Box. Needless to say we disagree on many of the players but who knows who is right or wrong (I'm right)

    Now, tuck yourself in and get rested for the big day. I have finished racking my brain on this and on my way to play 9 holes.

    I did conclude last night that if the Patriots stay where they are, they will take McCauley and Harris. Maybe not in that order.




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    Carriker is a 6-6 296lb OLB? Sounds like a steal.
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    My boy Rodney Hannah didn't make the cut? :bricks:
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    A few comments Box:

    Wendling will never make it to round 4

    Where are the punters? Sepulveda and the other guy.


    These UDFA values will almost certainly be drafted in rounds 5-7 according to all the data I've been able to find. Why do you rank them so low?

    Steve Breaston

    Jacob Ford

    Nate Ilaoa

    Le'Ron McClain

    Marshall Yanda

    Chad Nkang

    Enoka Lucas

    Justise Hairston
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    He made it to round four in our interactive mock draft, so it's certainly possible.
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    BOR, no love for Dwayne Bowe or James Marten?
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    I'm curious as to why you don't have any 'priority targets' or 'priority players' listed in round one, yet you have those categories in later rounds.

    Posluszny -- missing because he's undersized? Doesn't fit the defense?

    You list 25 round two prospects. Do you get a sense we'll somehow acquire a second-rounder?
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