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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.sieglo said:Denver is in for a rude awakening when they come to the Razor next year.
In fact, I think that the entire league is in for a rude awakening. Given the Pats talent, schedule, and the fact that after this debacle they will have a MAJOR CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER, I think they may even find themselves contending for a perfect season.
I'm fairly sure no-one has disputed that.Willie55 said:The Broncos won and the Pats didn't.
scott99 said:I don't think the better team coughs up the ball 5 times. BB is a deity to me, but I disagree with hime. The better team won, period. So many people are saying "Other than the 5 turnovers" and "We outgained them 420-286", big deal, The 5 turnovers were the reason for the loss, and unfortunately, they did happen, so we can't say "Other Than". The better team had 1 turnover.
CheerforTom said:I just don't understand how anyone (let alone dedicated Patriots fans) could think that 3 HUGE fumbles plus ONE huge pick leads to the winning team being superior... it's 4 plays people, even if they were 4 huge ones which decided the game. There's the whole rest of the game out there which had a relatively low effect on the score, especially in the first 3 quarters! How are those first 3 quarters not relevant to this discussion??
A good example of what I'm saying is this: Brady threw 2 picks, one of which was returned for a TD (in essence). Does that make Plummer the "better" quarterback? Maybe he played better in some aspects, but he also had to deal with a lot less. Anyone in their right mind knows that Brady is better. It's the same situation here when you compare Denver and New England on Saturday.
That's not sour grapes, whining, whatever. It's the truth.
JoeSixPat said:Because we as dedicated Patriots fans have watched as other teams have tried to convince themselves year after year that they were better teams than the Super Bowl Champions - and we're not about to do the same thing.
Were the 2001 Patriots the best team in football? Apparently not by your reasoning. They had quite a few balls bounce their way and recovered loose balls that could have just as easilly been recovered by the other team.
We're not playing best out of 3 here - its one and done and if you don't control the football and the other team does, its pretty tough to say you are the better team.
CheerforTom said:If teams outgained them in yardage and dominated them on defense, but surrendered the ball a lot which lead to Pats wins, then yeah, they WOULD be better teams. I don't agree at all that this was the case. It's reaching just as much as anyone to say that turnovers won the Patriots their first Super Bowl (which IS what you're implying).
CheerforTom said:It's true we're not playing the best of 3, and the Broncos are indisputably the ones moving on. What were debating here is that the Patriots are the better team despite losing the game to them. It's a question of it you even believe that's possible (as the original poster suggested). I certainly do, and this would be the textbook case of it: like I've already said, the Patriots lost this game on 3 plays. Why is what they did for the rest of the game irrelevant?
CheerforTom said:Also, what do you think of what I said about Brady and Plummer as example? Seriously, I'd like to know. According to my reasoning, you SHOULD think that Plummer is better...
ClosingTime said:2001 AFCC game. Steelers dominated the Pats in offensive an defensive categories.
If that's the case, then the better team did not win. Simple as that. The Steelers were probably the better team. Didn't mean they deserved to win, but they were still better. And you can quote me on that. Happy?
Pats fans hated hearing this from Steeler fans in 2001.
Oh and almost every game comes down to three or four plays.
Wow dude, if I had a nickel for every time I got blamed for being a generic "Pats fan" instead of who I am this week. I don't care what other fans did if they were wrong.
He most certainly was on Saturday. He scored TDs and didn't throw an INT for a 100 yard return.
Frankly, I think you're wrong there. Plummer had a very mediocre game (including a pick that admittedly wasn't as bad as Brady's), while Brady had a fine game with one huge mistake.
Now, it's fine for fans to get wrapped up in this "we're better, just unlucky, bad bounces, bad calls etc,...but we;re still the better team"
It's entirely different for a head coach of an NFL team to say this. Just say they played better than us, they deserve it, we should have played better and go play golf. But no, BB can't be a stand up guy. What a classless, disrespectful statement.
Belichick DID say a lot of good things about the Broncos in the post-game conference. I was actually surprised at how little he said about the Patriots. Just because he feels the better team didn't win doesn't make him classless, he just feels that way. He didn't say DENVER SUCKS LOL.
CheerforTom said:And I don't know if you're a Broncos fan or not, but if so, I wouldn't be tossing around the term 'classless'.