All-Overrated Team

[Aqua4Ever04]

Much as I think you are a moron Aqua , I can't dispute your list much.... I still think Rivers Starts at QB.

I added a 2nd team, Rivers is my man there. I don't think there's any way to over look Vince Young there. Anyone that thinks he's a good QB is a complete moron IMO.

 

[DFWChargerFan]

Gotta get P. Rivers in there.

PR is not overrated, he's just plain stinks this year. To be "overrated", people need to be saying he's better than he is. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone stating PR is a great QB this year, including us Bolt fans.

 

[DFWChargerFan]

Andy,

I would have to respectfully disagree with you regarding Jamal Williams. First of all, with the exception of the debacle against the Vikings (in which case our D was completely worn down because the O could not stay on the field), we have held most teams to minimal yards rushing.

I guess my question would be, who is better than Jamal Williams?

Kindest regards,

DFWChargerFan

 

[chrisfx811]

We should just consider the term 'overhyped'.
Vince Young fits that bill, as does P. Rivers.

 

[DFWChargerFan]

We should just consider the term 'overhyped'.
Vince Young fits that bill, as does P. Rivers.

Not so sure "overhyped" works either, at least in Rivers case. He's been continually blasted by our fans and the media for his horrendous play (fumbles, miscues, INT's, poor passing). Now, if you want to have a "Who Sucks" team, I would gladly nominate PR to the list.

 

[He Ban Me]

Now you are babbling.
There is nothing in this diatribe you have written that isn't part of being a DE (OK a a RIGHT DE). You are trying to argue that Freeney isn't overrated.
I say he is overrated because his 'rating' is that he is considered one of the top few DEs in the game, and is the highest paid defensive player in the league.

Here is my definition of what being properly rated as one of the top few DEs and the highest paid player would be.
1) EXTREMELY PRODUCTIVE
2) Clearly better than players at his position
3) A complete player
4) Consistent

Your criteria seems to be that if you can argue that"
1) People think he is good (This is how you become overrated)
2) There are 'other things' he does that makes his poor production equal to someone with good proudction----here you have not shown me the numbers of ANY of the players who get more sacks than him, in this dubious 'pressure' category. So anything you say about it is irrelevant until you can show how he compares to the other players
---In essence you are saying Freeney getting 9 sacks in 25 games is better than player X who got 19 sacks in 25 games, because Freeney has a certain number of pressures, but you don't know how many pressures player X got.
3) You feel you can argue how good he is by describing what a RDE is. If every other RDE deals with that, how is it pertinent to why he isnt overrated compared to other RDEs who are more producitive. Are you honestly trying to tell me that RDEs dont get sacks? I think you will find they are the ones getting the most. (Hint, the best Ts are LTs because defenses tend to oput their best pass rusher on that side)

To cap if off, you decide to personally attack me, as if I am a bad person because I think other players are better than Freeney, but common perception disagrees.

Lets try this:

Answer these questions:

1) Dwight Freeney is approximately the ____________th best DE in the NFL.
2) Is Dwight Freeney deserving of being the highest paid defensive player in the nfl, meaning he is the best defensive player in the NFL?

That will show that you probabyl actually agree he is overrated. (I'm sure you do, but dont like it, and thats why you can actually put your name on such a lame argument as the one above)

Do you have some guys on defense you are wanting to sign? Set the bar too high? PM isn't the highest paid QB in the league, but he's the best. I don't ebven know how you define "highest paid' anymore. It sure as hell won't last. My bottom line is that I don't think he's over rated. AND if he were not a COLT, I don't think you'd have him on your list.

 

[everlong]

PM isn't the highest paid QB in the league, but he's the best.

Second best, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[MrClutch]

Do you have some guys on defense you are wanting to sign? Set the bar too high? PM isn't the highest paid QB in the league, but he's the best. I don't ebven know how you define "highest paid' anymore. It sure as hell won't last. My bottom line is that I don't think he's over rated. AND if he were not a COLT, I don't think you'd have him on your list.

And that's why everyone has their own opinion.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Since I have critiqued your piece, I'll do mine as well.

QB Vince Young- Most over rated player in the league, averages a combination of fumbles or interceptions twice per game. No credit is given to his defense and VY is the most inaccurate thrower in the league.
Runner up- Phillip Rivers

RB Joseph Addai- Faces nickel and dime packages all the time and then when Manning was going last week against San Diego, we all saw the real Addai. Shifty and quick runner, but nothing stands out about Addai the way Westbrook and Parker do in speed and the way Ronnie Brown and Steven Jackson do in power.
Runner up- Reggie Bush

WR Marques Colston- So many people said he was a top 10 WR after his good rookie season but he hasn't done anything this year. Had a great year in 2006, but he was a 7th round pick for a reason.
Runner up- Javon Walker

TE Randy McMichael- When in Miami he was often touted as a top 10 TE. He dropped so many huge passes and had terrible ball security when running with it.
Runner up- Ben Watson

OT D'brickashaw Ferguson- Supposed to be one of the best OLmen to ever come out and has done nothing with the Jets.
Runner up- Levi Jones

OG Robert Gallery- He's played every position except center in his less then impressive career in Oakland after being a top 3 pick. He's found some comfort level recently but no where near worth a top 3 pick.
Runner up- Leonard Davis

C Kevin Mawae- The cheap shot artist is old and is still a good center, but doesn't belong with Kruetz, Saturday and Birk like many say he does.
Runner up- Nick Mangold

DE John Abraham- Hasn't really done anything in Atlanta because of an injury but hasn't shown any spark since becoming healthy either.
Runner up- Will Smith

DT Albert Haynesworth- Yes, he's having an awesome year but I have to believe it's due to a contract year. When Haynesworth gets paid, he'll go back to being average.
Runner up- Kris Jenkins

OLB Joey Porter- Gets a ton of air time because of his mouth and has done a whole lot of nothing in Miami. He has played better recently but is not worth the money they gave him.
Runner up- Ian Gold

MLB Jonathan Vilma- Doesn't fit the system well in NYJ and has really fluttered after a pretty good rookie season.
Runner up- Will Witherspoon

CB Nate Clements- Any time you receive a contract like Clements did you're going to struggle to live up to it. Is not making plays and isn't a top 5 cover corner yet he gets paid like he is.
Close runner up- Asante Samuel.

S Roy Williams- Plenty of better safeties in the league yet his image makes some believe he's something he's not. Dawkins, Sanders, Reed, Polumalu, Taylor, Wilson and Rhodes are all better safties.
Runner up- Darren Sharper

Keep in mind this is still a pretty damn good team, they just don't live up to the hype the receive.

 

[Lampshade]

WR Marques Colston- So many people said he was a top 10 WR after his good rookie season but he hasn't done anything this year. Had a great year in 2006, but he was a 7th round pick for a reason.
Runner up- Javon Walker

Saying someone on pace for 92 catches, 1100 yards, and 9 TDs "hasn't done anything" is a bit harsh, no?

 

[jman924]

Saying someone on pace for 92 catches, 1100 yards, and 9 TDs "hasn't done anything" is a bit harsh, no?

I keep forgetting how important draft position is. Nobody drafted below the 5 has ever done anything worth talking about.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Saying someone on pace for 92 catches, 1100 yards, and 9 TDs "hasn't done anything" is a bit harsh, no?

When I saw them play the Seahawks, Colts and Titans he did a whole lot of nothing. Perhaps he is piling up garbage stats because I saw a reciever who did absolutely nothing to show me he is the elite WR everyone suggest he is.

 

[DaBruinz]

2002 Ted Johnson says hi

This has got to be the most idiotic comeback you've ever had.

1) the 2002 Ted Johnson started off playing ILB not MLB you dimwit.
2) in the 3-4, the NT is the most important person for stopping the run. In 2002, the Pats tried to use Steve Martin and he was pathetic. So much so they dumped him before Thanksgiving that year. The Pats then switched back to the 4-3 because they didn't have a choice....
3) Johnson wasn't very good as a MLB because he'd already started losing a step in 2002. It was only the transition to ILB and coming off the field in Nickle and Dime situations that prolonged Johnson's time with the Patriots.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think the over-rated Patriots question is an interesting one.

For past Pats, I'd have to say:

Deon Branch

I wouldn't have considered him a top 20 WR when he was with the Patriots, but the media and other NFL teams thought he might be top 10. /boggle​

Daniel Graham

I can't begin to describe how overrated this guy was. He was a really good blocking TE, but couldn't hold onto the ball at all. Kyle Brady is an even swap for him, IMO.​

I think you could make an argument for some of the OL's that have left, but it's hard to judge them on an individual basis in another system, but let's say there's definitely been a few.

People like yourself really don't know WTF you are talking about when it comes to Graham's hands. The fact is that only his 1st 2 years were bad. After that, he only had 1 or 2 drops a season. Many times, the Pats used him to help shore up the tackle situation because guys like Gorin and Ashworth weren't all that great and regularly needed help.

 

[DaBruinz]

Can you disprove my arguments.

You're arguments are pure garbage. Just like you are. There is no need to disprove them when they are coming out of a welching hypocritical piece of turd like yourself.

BTW, I have torn your arguments apart more times than I can count. You just keep rehashing them thinking that the outcome is going to change.

 

[DaBruinz]

atrocious enough that he still got more tackles than Tedy Bruschi

he was still in the prime of his career in 2002

Hey SFBs, Johnson had more tackles because Bruschi was injured and missed 5 games, where Johnson only missed 2 games.

You also have to remember that Bruschi had just started the switch from OLB to ILB in 2002. So, Bruschi was learning a new position.

The least you could do is know what you are talking about when you attempt to post.

 

[jarnhestur]

DaBruinz,

I'm not sure what player you were watching, but Graham was/is very overrated. He wasn't a bust by any stretch, but definately overrated. Not only did he have balls bounce off his hands there were some absolutely awful "lack of effort" attempts at catching the ball. Brady made him look a lot better then he actually was.

How's he doing with Cutler?

Exactly.

 

[He Ban Me]

Since I have critiqued your piece, I'll do mine as well.

QB Vince Young- Most over rated player in the league, averages a combination of fumbles or interceptions twice per game. No credit is given to his defense and VY is the most inaccurate thrower in the league.
Runner up- Phillip Rivers

RB Joseph Addai- Faces nickel and dime packages all the time and then when Manning was going last week against San Diego, we all saw the real Addai. Shifty and quick runner, but nothing stands out about Addai the way Westbrook and Parker do in speed and the way Ronnie Brown and Steven Jackson do in power.
Runner up- Reggie Bush

WR Marques Colston- So many people said he was a top 10 WR after his good rookie season but he hasn't done anything this year. Had a great year in 2006, but he was a 7th round pick for a reason.
Runner up- Javon Walker

TE Randy McMichael- When in Miami he was often touted as a top 10 TE. He dropped so many huge passes and had terrible ball security when running with it.
Runner up- Ben Watson

OT D'brickashaw Ferguson- Supposed to be one of the best OLmen to ever come out and has done nothing with the Jets.
Runner up- Levi Jones

OG Robert Gallery- He's played every position except center in his less then impressive career in Oakland after being a top 3 pick. He's found some comfort level recently but no where near worth a top 3 pick.
Runner up- Leonard Davis

C Kevin Mawae- The cheap shot artist is old and is still a good center, but doesn't belong with Kruetz, Saturday and Birk like many say he does.
Runner up- Nick Mangold

DE John Abraham- Hasn't really done anything in Atlanta because of an injury but hasn't shown any spark since becoming healthy either.
Runner up- Will Smith

DT Albert Haynesworth- Yes, he's having an awesome year but I have to believe it's due to a contract year. When Haynesworth gets paid, he'll go back to being average.
Runner up- Kris Jenkins

OLB Joey Porter- Gets a ton of air time because of his mouth and has done a whole lot of nothing in Miami. He has played better recently but is not worth the money they gave him.
Runner up- Ian Gold

MLB Jonathan Vilma- Doesn't fit the system well in NYJ and has really fluttered after a pretty good rookie season.
Runner up- Will Witherspoon

CB Nate Clements- Any time you receive a contract like Clements did you're going to struggle to live up to it. Is not making plays and isn't a top 5 cover corner yet he gets paid like he is.
Close runner up- Asante Samuel.

S Roy Williams- Plenty of better safeties in the league yet his image makes some believe he's something he's not. Dawkins, Sanders, Reed, Polumalu, Taylor, Wilson and Rhodes are all better safties.
Runner up- Darren Sharper

I guess for a second year player to be mentioned in the samer breath with the likes of Parker, Westbrook, Jackson, and Brown is pretty damn good. Addai has some sweet moves, quick on his feet. I was surprised when some mentioned Barry Sanders a few weeks ago, but he had a very nice spin and juke yesterday that was reminiscent of Barry. Now, he's NO BARRY, but occassionally, he runs like him. Just don't see where he could be considered "over rated"

 

[makewayhomer]

This has got to be the most idiotic comeback you've ever had.

1) the 2002 Ted Johnson started off playing ILB not MLB you dimwit.
2) in the 3-4, the NT is the most important person for stopping the run. In 2002, the Pats tried to use Steve Martin and he was pathetic. So much so they dumped him before Thanksgiving that year. The Pats then switched back to the 4-3 because they didn't have a choice....
3) Johnson wasn't very good as a MLB because he'd already started losing a step in 2002. It was only the transition to ILB and coming off the field in Nickle and Dime situations that prolonged Johnson's time with the Patriots.

The 2 ILBs in a 3-4 are equivalent to the MLB and WLB in a 4-3, so gets your facts straight before you start insulting others.

 

[NEBG]

When I hear overated I immediately think of

a)Michael Vick

b)Daunte Culpepper

c)Steve McNair

d) Vince Young

Interesting that you pick 4 black QBs. I'm not saying or insinuating that that means anything, just find it interesting.