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  1. AndyJohnson

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    Here is my all-overrated team. Off the top of my head, so apologies to the stiffs I forgot.

    QB- McNabb. Least accurate passer that anyone tries to call good, with the possible exception of his backup on the AOT, Vince Young (POSSIBLE exception because I think anyone daring to call him good would say he throws like a girl in their next breath)
    RB- Willis McGahee. Perfectly set up for the AOT. Great potential, had career threatening injury, came back, so everyone assumes he has now fulfilled that potential. Goes on to have accomplished next to nothing, and show a 3rd grade level of maturity.
    WR- TO. He's a good receiver, but not as good as many think he is, and his personality and mouth by themselves, and how they hurt a team, would make him overrated even if he was Jerry Rice.
    Chris Chambers. He makes plays, but the opinion of his is as if he makes 10 times more than he does. In Miami, with the players around him, he should have caught 100 passes a year if he was a top WR, but he didnt even lead his team last year, Welker did, playing about 40% as many snaps.
    Hon Mention. Santana Moss, only HM because everyone has figured out he sucks by now.
    TE- Shockey. You would think listening to commentators on Giants game that he had WR speed, agility and skills. Then you watch him and see a slow, bull in a china shop guy. He looks uncoordinated to me. And he cant block at all.
    OL- Marcus McNeil. Had a good rookie year, but is nowhere near as good as he was last year, nor close to what many people think he is. Kevin Mawae. Thug. Chris Snee. A pretty decent OL, but is being called all-pro caliber. I see him screw up a lot. Seems to have penalties at the worst times, and fans on his blocks too much for my liking. (Caveat: his penalties may seem more frequent because every time he has one it is pointed out he's married to his coaches daughter) Olin Kreutz. Good center, but he has more fumbled snaps that anyone in the league. Cant all be the QB.
    DE- Freeney. Ive wrote volumes lately on this. But when all you are asked to do is rush the QB, and you get 9 sacks in 25 games, basically, you stink.
    Michael Strahan. Way, way too past his prime to still be talked about as a good player.
    DT- Corey Redding. Keep hearing how great this guy is. He isn't. He was a OLB/DE hybrid who couldn't cut it there and bulked up and moved inside. Gets some sacks because of the system, but is a liability against the run.
    J Williams. Yes he is a good NT. But when John Madden and everyone else says "You cannot run on the Chargers because of him" that makes him overrated. Until I see a DL who can make plays at the l.o.s. in 8 different gaps, I will consider any comment that one player stops the run by himself the greatest example of overrated there is.
    LB- Zack Thomas. A good player, but very overrated. I have a very hard time considering a guy who makes tackles when no blocker comes near him, because of the system, a special player. The Dolphin D has always been about occupying blockers so Thomas can run free, so he makes a bunch of tackles. However, when offenses are able to get a blocker to him, he cannot shed the block (even of a FB). Any MLB can make tackles when no one blocks them. A great MLB makes plays then, and also when he isn't running free.
    Jonathan Vilma. See Thomas.
    Ray Lewis. Once a great LB, he is now just a mouth with a football players body attached. At this point he is firmly below average for his postion.
    Cato June. Its great when a LB gets some Ints, but getting Ints does not make up for being weak at the point of attack in the running game.
    CB- Dre Bly. Never understood why he was highly regarded to begin with. Mediocre corner, but all of sudden, he hits FA and is being called a great corner. I don't think any pre-2008 publiciations will be making that claim.
    Ronde Barber. Perhaps not overrated for the system he is in, because he is very good at cover2 responsiblities, but to think he could succeed in a system that asked him to play man, or not have consistent help over the top is foolish.
    S- Bob Sanders. He may be a pro-bowl caliber guy if he could ever stay healthy. But the commentary on him is ridiculous. There is no a safety EVER BORN that can shut down the run. There have been many safeties over the years that have played in systems that have them up at the l.o.s. (usually not lined up there but coming up after the snap) where they go unblocked to the point of attack, and those safeties make a lot of plays. They make none however if the players at the point of attack dont do their job. Safeties making the tackles in the running game is a result of SCHEME. Any competant safety would have as much impact as Sanders in the Colt run D (as long as he doesnt miss a bunch of tackles) if given the same assignment. Sanders perhaps does better in this than an average safety, but common perception is that he is doing something extraordinary and he isn't.
    Roy Williams. I think that if you could take your Fullback, split him out and get one on one coverage with Roy Williams, 75% of the teams in the NFL would throw for 150 yards to him.
    HC- Norv is easy, but if you stink and everyone knows it are you really overrated? Jeff Fisher gets a lot of mention as a top HC, but his record shows mediocrity. I think you have to go with someone here who has won a SB, because when rating coaches that usually separates opinions, so I would nominate Jon Gruden. He couldn't win the big game with a very good Raider team (and IMO, he had good enough talent to do so, but his gameplanning and system prevented it.....i.e. throwing the ball 45 times a game with Rich Gannon behind a great OL while Charlie Garner averaged 5 yards a carry) and since winning the SB his first year in TB, that team has consistently gotten worse. But the winner of the HC of the AOT has to be Brian Billick. "Offensive genius" who hasn't had even an average offense in almost 10 years of trying, he also has figured out how to have what many people consider a great defense (Ravens D would definitely be the winner in the all-Overated unit list) and have it not be able to win a big game for him. Tough call between Billick and Gruden because Billick won his SB mostly because Grudens team choked in the AFCC against him, but Gruden won his only by beating the team he taught how to not win the big one. I'll go with Billick, primarily because he gets close enough to big games to get overrated and then to choke in them, while Gruden just avoids even reaching the playoffs to mitigated his overratedness by not being rated well anyway.
     
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    When I hear overated I immediately think of

    a)Michael Vick

    b)Daunte Culpepper

    c)Steve McNair

    d) Vince Young
     
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    #50 Jersey

    Gotta get P. Rivers in there.
     
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    Even though he's a Colt, I feel like I have to defend Sanders. They probably won't miss Freeney, but there's a considerable difference between when Sanders is playing and when he's not.
     
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    well then...maybe Dungy should instruct Mister Sanders to STOP making helmet to helmet spearing tackles and maybe he'll stick around a full season
     
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    I stopped reading at McNabb... I mean c'mon. There are numerous other current quarterbacks that are 1/2 the QB McNabb is and twice as over-hyped. Young, Rivers, Vick and Eli Manning immediately come to mind. McNabb may not even be in my top 10 most overrated QBs.
     
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    "DE- Freeney. Ive wrote volumes lately on this. But when all you are asked to do is rush the QB, and you get 9 sacks in 25 games, basically, you stink."

    No. Go pick up a copy of Pro Football Prospectus 2007, and read the Beyond Sacks chapter. Sacks aren't the best way to judge pass rushers. Dwight Freeney led the NFL with 33 QB hurries last year.

    in addition, he occupies blockers
     
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    Hi Indy troll masquerading as "objective Patriot fan".
     
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    bradmahn In the Starting Line-Up

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    How do they define a quarterback hurry?
     
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    I'm a huge Pats fan, but thanks for trolling!
     
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    5 Rings for Brady!! In the Starting Line-Up

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    Definition: A stat often used by insecure Indy trolls. :D
     
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    they mark hurries when the QB clearly has to rush his motion, or leaves the pocket after originally setting up in the pocket to throw
     
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    I have a better one than Marcus McNeill at left tackle, the Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson!
     
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    it is a sad board when objectively discussing opposing players automatically makes you a troll fan from an opposing team
     
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    Could not agree more on Sanders being on the list. One of those stories that gained some steam in the media as the Colts played some good D against 3 historically inept offenses in the Playoffs - KC, Baltimore, and Chicago- and nothing I have seen this year makes me rethink that statement - and the has now spiraled out of control where the taking heads have him as the NFL defensive MVP. Are you kidding me?? Guy makes one play a game if unblocked on a blitz. Colts are a better D with him in the line up granted, a good player, but all the glory going to this guy is just getting to be too much. Think teams need to scheme to prevent Bob Sanders from wrecking havoc on the offense? Media are a bunch of lemmings

    Sean Taylor gets some consideration, physical freak who whiffed on way too many tackles last season, not to mention the Skins got burned on a lot of deep balls and long runs last season, but he is having a better year so I’ll take him off my last. Still gets too many props for being great, when to this point he is a great talent who hasn’t put it all together, but Skins scheme of keeping him 20 yards deep in the secondary has cut done on his miscues. Will throw Chris Samuels in there however – pretty good, not the perennial All-Pro he has become.

    And as long as we are talking Chargers – Shawn Merriman. Needs to get back on the juice fast..
     
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    no it's not....we find it odd when someone just suddenly appears and uses a long involved string of pseudologic to promote some arcane point and uses a player like Dwight Freeney,rattling off all these stats about him like we're supposed to KNOW THIS? Why not use Richard Seymour??? That's what I and every other Pats fan I know would probably do. I really don't pay ANY attention to what a Freeney's performance means one way or the other.
     
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    that makes you an awesome Patriots homer and a bad football fan
     
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    it does?...and YOU are the arbiter of what constitutes a "good" fan and a "bad" one?

    well...one thing I can surely attest to...you are an expert on ARROGANCE
     
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    We will find out how much Dwight Freeney means to the Colts defense now that he was placed on injured reserve.
     
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    And who would have ever guessed - not a single Pats player mentioned :eek:
     
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