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AZ players a 3-4 so Jones could bulk up and be a 3-4 DE.

It would be funny if we see AZ in the super bowl and Cooper has turned it around and better than his rookie form. It would be Chandler vs Cooper lol

I would love to see that :D
 
Wow! This changes a rather boring FA season in a nanosecond. But here are the facts. Chandler Jones is a good football player, perhaps even a very good football player, but not a game changer in the way some DE's are. He was worth the $7+MM he was to make this year, but not the 8 figure deal /yr the market would have demanded in 2017.

However this deal is not without some risks. Sheard and Ninko both have to remain healthy..... again. Ninko has to defy father time....again. Either Flowers or Grissom have to become reliable rotational players at the position. A FA has to add reliable and quality depth. That is a lot of "has to's"

As far as the effect on the D, I'm more worried about the loss of Hicks than Jones to the overall. Easley is actually better than Hicks.....when healthy, and an Easley Brown DT pairing could be one of the better pairs in the league. But Hicks added depth at the position that is often needed in a top defense. If last season taught us one thing, it is never just about your starters.

Cooper has been a disappointment for the Cardinals, but there was no denying his talent coming into the NFL and most "experts" thought he was worth a top 10 pick. So with Cooper we have a case of unfulfilled talent at a position of need. I file it under worth a shot. IF he can develop into his full potential it will be a huge win. Most likely Scar can turn him into a decent NFL offensive lineman, and he can add depth and experience where it is sorely needed. But it most likely will send Ryan Wendell into retirement since Cooper adds size and athleticism at the 2 positions he can play.

As for the draft pick, I have mixed feelings that go beyond the bitterness and anger of losing our #1 pick so unjustly. Maybe I'm just so tired of picking in the bottom 4 of every friggin' round every friggin year. The 2nd round pick plus a good prospect is excellent value for Jones. Perhaps better that we could have expected. But now we have 11 draft picks in a year where we have a roster full of solid young players. It reminds me of our 2007 draft where we did have a #1 pick, but after that a boat load of 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks, which pretty much were wasted in the end because we had a loaded roster.

I can't help but think that the reason the NFL decided NOT to let teams trade comp picks until NEXT year has a lot to do with the fact they knew the Pats were going to have a lot of comp picks THIS year.

At any rate, I have no idea how deep this draft goes. But given the roster we already have, I'd rather go quality over quantity. I'd love to see us package one of the 2 second round picks with 2 of the lower picks to move up to mid forties, so we'd have 2 picks in the 2nd, and would likely come out of that scenario with at least one guy who would eventually become a starter.

BOTTOM LINE - I fully agree with the great majority of the people here. This was a fair deal for both teams. Initially AZ looks to be ahead right now, given they got a proven good player for a very talented player who hasn't met expectations and a draft pick in the 60's. If I'm a Cardinal fan, I'm loving this deal. But I'm a Pats fan and I'm "liking" this transaction. Hopefully over the next 12 months I will grow to love it
 
Someone go look at the stats for Jones in the second half of each of the last 4 seasons including the playoffs. They are mediocre at best.

My feeling is he's going to get busted for something as well.

Injury problems. He's been getting injured. But he is usually healthy for the playoffs. Someone put up his stats including hurries. He has a lot of hurries. He's the only one that seems to get doubled on our line.
 
You give no credit to the earlier year of the pick?

Well, yes, but how is that relevant at all? We're talking about USING Chandler on the Patriots line for a year, then getting the pick.

The poster I'm replying to is clearly talking about getting a pick now for fear of losing him. To me, the fear is that you ed up with ONLY a compensatory 3rd round pick when he leaves. But in the interim, you get a year out of him.
 
Me too, in a heartbeat. Cooper's been a borderline bust and Gordon's been a superstar, despite his foibles. But it's also possible Gordon wasn't involved, or if he was then a 2nd round pick was not involved.

Cleveland's second rounder, hell yeah!
 
Injury problems. He's been getting injured. But he is usually healthy for the playoffs. Someone put up his stats including hurries. He has a lot of hurries. He's the only one that seems to get doubled on our line.

That's such a false statement. Jones was never doubled.

Easley, Sheard, Collins, Hightower all produced more pressure than Jones
 
Well, yes, but how is that relevant at all? We're talking about USING Chandler on the Patriots line for a year, then getting the pick.

The poster I'm replying to is clearly talking about getting a pick now for fear of losing him. To me, the fear is that you ed up with ONLY a compensatory 3rd round pick when he leaves. But in the interim, you get a year out of him.

And you ignore the difference in when the return comes, which is the point of my post.
 
Cooper is a very good athlete who needs to hit the weight room and toughen up a bit. So this is really a late 2 and $5m in cap room for Jones, who had fewer sacks per play than Sheard. Of course, he was double-teamed on pass plays a lot and frequently drew the opposing team's best pass rusher.

I think we have to see how the rest of the offseason and the draft play out before we can assess this deal.
 
That's such a false statement. Jones was never doubled.

Easley, Sheard, Collins, Hightower all produced more pressure than Jones

Jones was never doubled.

And I'm the one accused of making "such a false statement."

Laughable.
 
Jones was never doubled.

And I'm the one accused of making "such a false statement."

Laughable.
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And BTW. That was the QB pressure production from week 1 to the Sunday night Texans game.
 
TB's timeline is short I would have kept Jones for at least 2016. I don't get this move. The best we could get for him was a 2nd rounder and a bench tackle? What am I missing?
 
Wonder what kind of input Scar had on this.
He was supposedly -very- high on Cooper the year he was drafted, as were the Pats.
 
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