Amendola's Hit on Fleming

Silver Blue&Red said:

While I was "WTF was that?", a suspension would be complete, overblown punishment. Plays like that happen in every game, by some of the "cleanest" players. I think he deserved the penalty flag and a fine should be expected. DA is not a repeat offender, and should tone it down a bit so he doesn't become one. A suspension would piss me off a bit. I do like his toughness tho. Gotta have a little bit of fear from the opponents. I bet that guy calls a fair catch next time.

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He CAN'T call a fair catch. They were NOT the receiving team!!

Another CB who doesn't like getting hit? Aww

BingoBrown said:

Not only did Fleming not give a "fair catch signal" but you can see him
extending his arms to make a catch.

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Why is this difficult? Fleming CAN'T give a fair catch signal, they we're the kicking team. BB was talking about the PATS and DA not giving a fair catch signal which meant he was allowed to block players away from the ball.

pencilneckgeek said:

Mike Carey gets most calls wrong. It's a running joke in my family.

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Can't stand him. He was the ref in the first Super Bowl vs the Giants. He missed some ridiculous holding calls happening right under his nose. When an OL has a hand under the DL's face mask and on his face, how is that legal? IIRC, there were a half dozen other blatant holds on that final drive.

rochrist said:

Why is this difficult? Fleming CAN'T give a fair catch signal, they we're the kicking team. BB was talking about the PATS and DA not giving a fair catch signal which meant he was allowed to block players away from the ball.

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I know the kicking team cannot call a fair catch signal.I'm talking about
the chiefs player DA nailed, thought his name was Fleming

Silver Blue&Red said:

I'm talking about Dola

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You bet Amendola calls a fair catch next time? Why? I'd expect him to do pretty much exactly the same thing, possibly toning it down slightly in hopes avoiding the penalty.

BingoBrown said:

I know the kicking team cannot call a fair catch signal.I'm talking about
the chiefs player DA nailed, thought his name was Fleming

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The Chiefs were the kicking team on that play. That's the whole point. Fleming couldn't call fair catch because he was on the kicking team not the receiving team.

rochrist said:

He CAN'T call a fair catch. They were NOT the receiving team!!

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You are correct. But if he did....

Silver Blue&Red said:

You are correct. But if he did....

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It would have either been meaningless, or a penalty. Probably just meaningless.

Comparisons to Burfict are stupid. Burfict had a history of head hunting. Amendola's reputation involves being injury prone.

Yes, he tried to lead with his shoulder, but intent doesn't matter. Helmet to helmet, even if it is just accidental, is a penalty and probably a fine.

And, Yes, it was the definition of "Unnecessary" in unnecessary roughness. The guy did not see him and even a hit in the chest would've done the same.

upstater1 said:

There was also a helmet to helmet hit on the series before when J White got alligator arms on a pass between his hands. No call

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And helmet to helmet to the back of Brady's head at the pylon that wasn't called.

rochrist said:

The Chiefs were the kicking team on that play. That's the whole point. Fleming couldn't call fair catch because he was on the kicking team not the receiving team.

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WOW Seriously! I got to stop drinking.

JMC00 said:

Maybe in slow motion replay it seemed long, but in normal motion it wasn't long. Hightower realized he was out of bounds and let go and never forcefully threw him to the ground.

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No, I thought it was a penalty in real time and was surprised (and happy) they didn't call it.

SLGDEV said:

No, I thought it was a penalty in real time and was surprised (and happy) they didn't call it.

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There was absolutely no question that he first grabbed him when he was in bounds. There was also no question that he eased up and /didn't/ slam him into the ground.

pencilneckgeek said:

Mike Carey gets most calls wrong. It's a running joke in my family. Even my wife and kids, who aren't serious fans, know and point it out when he makes a judgment that it will probably go the other way. He said that the call should be overturned when Brady made his scramble to the pylon, and he later focused on the technicalities of the defenseless receiver rule, when the penalty was for a blindside block. (The announcers relayed this information, which I assume came from the Ever Equanimous Dean Blandino, soon after the fact.)

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Actually, he was right on the Brady run. I did not see it as a TD until Carey played it in slow-motion. Touchdown.

rochrist said:

There was absolutely no question that he first grabbed him when he was in bounds. There was also no question that he eased up and /didn't/ slam him into the ground.

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I already agreed he grabbed him when in-bounds. Also, at the VERY end he did ease up. As for the in-between, just like beauty, it lies in the eyes of the beholder.

O.K. So Pats were the receiving team AD didn't bother going for it because it was to close to the end zone.Chiefs player tries to catch it
so he can down it AD nails player Patriots ball with a personal foul added.

Correct,

if so I can drink again yay

rochrist said:

Eh? It happens literally ALL the time.

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Eh? The play that happens ALL the time is the kicking team surrounding the ball to down it at the most advantageous spot. I have never seen the receiving team block anyone to let the ball roll into the end zone. Now that it has been established that it is legal why doesn't blocking the people trying to down the happen ALL the time? The only thing that I can think of is that it is too risky to have the ball touch a member of the receiving team while they are in the act of blocking.

The penalty in this case was that Fleming was considered to be in a defenseless position when DA blasted him. The fact that it was a high hit only made it more obvious.

As I said in another thread, my problem with the play wasn't so much the hit, but the fact that Amendola was really close to the ball and a bad bounce could have had it hit him making it a live ball and allowing the Chiefs to recover within feet of the Patriots' end zone.

So the NFL is all in on the "illegal blindside block" explanation. That would be cool if, you know, it had been a blindside block. This penalty had originally been defined as a block by a player "moving toward, or parallel to, his own end line" (which Amendola was) AND "approaches the opponent from behind or from the side." Apparently Blandino's attention span isn't long enough for this job, because he has conveniently decided that the second part doesn't apply anymore.

Unnecessary? Sure. Dirty? Arguable. Illegal? Only if you're the idiot named Dean Blandino.