Brady vs Kraft

rochrist said:

Why? Why on earth would Kraft care that the league loses a suite overturning a Brady suspension? That makes absolutely no sense.

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Because he is on the ownership side of that suit. He said so today.
He would rather Goodell win than Brady.
The NFLPA wants to use this case to set an example. Do you really thing Kraft would choose his commissioner losing power over Brady missing 4 games?

PatsWickedPissah said:

I hope Brady in Maximus' words goes "Unleash Hell" on Goodell, the league office and the league itself.
League discipline, league perception and anti-trust exemption are all in play.
Nothing would please me more than to see a court decision that reduces the value of 32 franchises.

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You know, just because we all mutter anti-trust exemption doesn't mean there's a way to work it into Brady's mess. All that's likely to happen is the league will be forced to rehear Brady's appeal via a neutral arbiter.

Rob0729 said:

They are never going to admit that whether they did or not. Bedard reported there is no deal for Brady and he also said that he doesn't necessarily believe it.

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Greg A. BedardVerified account‏@GregABedard
Greg A. Bedard retweeted bryan zukowski

I don't disagree, which is why, personally, I want to see how this ultimately plays out. Just passing info along

Joey007 said:

Seeing you right now in this state is painful, since I've seen you in the light of being one of the biggest Patriot homers on this board over the years.

If I were you I would just cool off and pump the brakes a bit. You have every right to be upset but I'd take a break from all of this to put it into more perspective.

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I am thinking perfectly clearly.
I told my son to expect we will not be going to any more games.
I will abandon this site soon, and pray that BB and Brady get out of this hell hole and move to a franchise that will treat them with respect.

AndyJohnson said:

Because he is on the ownership side of that suit. He said so today.
He would rather Goodell win than Brady.
The NFLPA wants to use this case to set an example. Do you really thing Kraft would choose his commissioner losing power over Brady missing 4 games?

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Again, why? The NFL loses nothing by Brady's appeal being overturned. What did they lose when the Saint's players appeals were overturned?

AndyJohnson said:

I am thinking perfectly clearly.
I told my son to expect we will not be going to any more games.
I will abandon this site soon, and pray that BB and Brady get out of this hell hole and move to a franchise that will treat them with respect.

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As soon as you let the rest of your steam out, right?

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Greg A. BedardVerified account‏@GregABedard
Greg A. Bedard retweeted bryan zukowski

I don't disagree, which is why, personally, I want to see how this ultimately plays out. Just passing info along

bryan zukowski @floes420
@GregABedard @RyanHannable Would an NFL official admit to a quid pro quo? Though given the NFLs record on leaks you would think so.​

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and there you have it.

Brady has a slam dunk case. So the league will let it leak that Kraft worked a deal and then Goodell will drop the suspension, and not everyone will say the fix was in, Kraft took one for the cheater,and Brady was never serious about suing because his phone proves his guilt, and Kraft covered for him.

Biggest loser in the Bob Kraft lack of testosterone challenge: Tom Brady's legacy

Rob0729 said:

I think if Kraft made a deal with Goodell to get Brady's suspension removed, they defacto kept this out of court unless Brady sues for defamation. If Goodell removes the suspension, what can Brady and the NFLPA so for other than defamation.

In fact, this might have been part of the plan to begin with for Goodell. Convince Kraft to fall on the sword for Brady and pull the rug out from under Brady and the NFLPA.

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This is what I first thought of when the report and subsequent penalties came out. Way too much of this had been made for nothing to come of it with the Wells report. The public response made it so Roger pretty much had to come down hard on them since they put so much money and time into the report. Easy over penalization then retract in an effort to appease both sides but in reality were the only ones getting ****ed.

rochrist said:

Again, why? The NFL loses nothing by Brady's appeal being overturned. What did they lose when the Saint's players appeals were overturned?

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Again, because it court the NFLPA will challenge Goodells authority. They want to use this case to cut his power off at the knees.
Kraft will slime over to Goodells side when that happens, and like he did today forget who Brady is.

Joey007 said:

As soon as you let the rest of your steam out, right?

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yup

rochrist said:

Why? Why on earth would Kraft care that the league loses a suite overturning a Brady suspension? That makes absolutely no sense.

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goodell and the owners are not out of the woods yet. first there's the matter of the NFLPA tearing this whole thing a new one because that's what happens every time......it's time to forget Kraft.

The NFLPA and Kessler have zero reasons to not hold back......their perspective is quite different......they will be out to prove that the process of handing out punishments to players is wrong and they're quite good at doing that.....it's a matter of how much of the truth gets out about Kensil and the sting and how much they can leverage the science to prove nothing was done wrong....I think they have everything the need to get that done.

I still think that when this is all done, there is going to be a definitive sting operation in the evidence, and that's the moment where owners will start asking questions......does the league want the teams ratting each other out? because as of right now, if I was BB, I'd be adding 2 things to my agenda.....first, how to catch teams cheating at home.......2nd, how to catch teams cheating on the road.

football inflation is NOTHING in the grand scheme

I bet Gisele is wicked pissed they sold their CA mansion and built a new one in Bob Kraft's neighborhood.

AndyJohnson said:

Again, because it court the NFLPA will challenge Goodells authority. They want to use this case to cut his power off at the knees.
Kraft will slime over to Goodells side when that happens, and like he did today forget who Brady is.

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well.......the coach is still there......I'm sure he will figure out a way to turn this into an advantage

Rob0729 said:

It is a common belief that Kraft traded Brady's suspension for the team's punishment.

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If he did, that's a bad deal. 1st and 4th round draft picks are more valuable than four games with Brady instead of JG. It's also a bad deal because it's unnecessary.

AndyJohnson said:

yup

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That's the shortest response I've ever heard from you.

AndyJohnson said:

Crying like a baby? I believe I said that we should not make it personal because the board, and Ian want that to stop.
Of course you are making something up. Multiple sources have denied there was any deal for Brady.


Speculating is, in fact, making something up.
It has been reported by numerous sources that there was no deal on Brady.
How can that mean there is a common belief there is?



There would be no need for Kraft to accept these ridiculous punishments in order to cut Brady a deal that he doesn't need.

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Whether or not there is a deal for Brady, they will never admit it. So all we can do is speculate. There is zero chance that anyone in the NFL will admit it.

And there are no guarantees in federal court for Brady. Even rational legal experts (leaving bone heads like Lester Munson out of this) think this is not a slam dunk for Brady to get Goodell's appeal overturned and given to a truly independent arbitrator and that arbitrator actually overturning the suspension. He may or may not have a great case, but there are no guarantees when you are talking about the court system.

Rob0729 said:

Whether or not there is a deal for Brady, they will never admit it. So all we can do is speculate. There is zero chance that anyone in the NFL will admit it.

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That doesn't make it true.
What it does do is destroy Bradys legacy because this will go down as Kraft taking one for the Cheater.
He didn't need to, because, remember, THEY DID NOTHING WRONG.

And there are no guarantees in federal court for Brady. Even rational legal experts (leaving bone heads like Lester Munson out of this) think this is not a slam dunk for Brady to get Goodell's appeal overturned and given to a truly independent arbitrator and that arbitrator actually overturning the suspension. He may or may not have a great case, but there are no guarantees when you are talking about the court system.

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This is as good as it gets.
Ultimately it will come down to a court deciding if the evidence against Brady is sufficient to deny a unionized worker the right to work. Its not about the NFL or football, or the CBA. Its about Joe the Pipefitter needing protection from his employer creating trumped up charges to suspend or fire him because they don't like his politics, or who he sleeps with, etc.
Courts rule on the law, not the people involved.

Rob0729 said:

Whether or not there is a deal for Brady, they will never admit it. So all we can do is speculate. There is zero chance that anyone in the NFL will admit it.

And there are no guarantees in federal court for Brady. Even rational legal experts (leaving bone heads like Lester Munson out of this) think this is not a slam dunk for Brady to get Goodell's appeal overturned and given to a truly independent arbitrator and that arbitrator actually overturning the suspension. He may or may not have a great case, but there are no guarantees when you are talking about the court system.

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But hey, I'm just going to put you on ignore, because I'm pretty much done here, and don't want to end up fighting and that's what will happen if we continue, so best of luck to you.

AndyJohnson said:

That doesn't make it true.
What it does do is destroy Bradys legacy because this will go down as Kraft taking one for the Cheater.
He didn't need to, because, remember, THEY DID NOTHING WRONG.


This is as good as it gets.
Ultimately it will come down to a court deciding if the evidence against Brady is sufficient to deny a unionized worker the right to work. Its not about the NFL or football, or the CBA. Its about Joe the Pipefitter needing protection from his employer creating trumped up charges to suspend or fire him because they don't like his politics, or who he sleeps with, etc.
Courts rule on the law, not the people involved.

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Not really, Adrian Peterson had a more compelling case and the League are appealing that decision.

You thought yesterday that Goodell would see the error in his ways and realize how bad the Wells report is and overturn the penalties. Quite obviously, Goodell did the opposite by convincing Kraft to stop challenging the content of the report and fall in line.

So you may be wrong about how slam dunk of a case Brady has. From an outsider's point of view, he looks to have a strong case, but many legal experts felt there was no way Aaron Hernandez was going to be convicted for killing Odin Lloyd because the prosecutor's case just wasn't strong enough.

AndyJohnson said:

But hey, I'm just going to put you on ignore, because I'm pretty much done here, and don't want to end up fighting and that's what will happen if we continue, so best of luck to you.

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See you. I think I may have a Patsfan.com record. Have the most combative and inflexible posters on this board on both ends of the spectrum (you and Deus) blocking me.