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Did anyone else here have dreams about this last night? :bricks:

Didn't dream about it, but have been thinking about it quite a bit. Also, wondering when it will be safe to watch ESPN or NFL Network again without having to see that disgrace wearing a Patriots uniform.
 
I can't remember if I dreamed about it but I woke up feeling unrested and unsettled so maybe.
 
So this guy took out a loan of $35k and bought 1000 bitcoins. Everyone called him stupid.

The price of bitcoins soared to $250 each a few months later, so his $35k became 2.5m.

He ignored proven investment logic, gambled bigtime on an unproven currency and got rich.

That's not being smart, that's not being right that's being lucky. It's very similar to the crowing going on now from the 'knew he was a thug all along' dudes. When it comes to media ****storms the axiom 'where there is smoke there is fire' does not always hold true. Again - look at the security guard who found the bomb at the Atlanta olympics. The media put him in their sights and destroyed his life. He was innocent and he's dead now.

Anyone who thought Aaron Hernandez was a guilty and a thug before yesterday was basing this on an entertainment medium - not an information medium. You were right, but for all the wrong reasons.

I get your point but comparing AH to Richard Jewell is like comparing Apples to Moonrocks. Jewell was targeted because of a theory that dissolved when there was no evidence to back it up. As outlined at his arraignment there is evidence against AH and there is likely much more that will come out in the subsequent indictment and trial.

You are 100% correct that while some may've thought AH was troubled NO ONE was predicting he'd murder someone prior to last week. I have been vocal against people lame blaming the media but no one has a crystal ball and truly knows everything that goes on in someone's personal life.
 
So this double homicide thing, if true, helps this whole thing make a lot more sense. The motive has never been clear.

But reading the yahoo transcript of the prosecution's timeline there's a lot in there that suddenly falls into place in light of the double homicide stuff.

Specifically that Hernandez killed Lloyd for talking to people 'he didn't like' which sounds insane and the 'can't trust anybody' text he sent to one of his friends.

Assuming the double-homicide is true then maybe Hernandez shot Lloyd because Lloyd knew about or was talking to people who knew about or were connected to the double-homicide and Hernandez was afraid of that all coming to light.

It also explains the 'can't trust anybody' thing which at first made me wonder if he was having the onset of some sort of mental illness of which paranoia is symptomatic. No, if he was involved in a double homicide last year then he absolutely had a reason to be paranoid and to not trust people any longer.
 
As I've been posting since this scenario began to unfold, the real issues- pertaining to the New England Patriots -are character issues that conflict with what they are building and trying to do. Aside from all of the gang/crime stuff we have read that AH threatened Wes Welker. A few members stated that he was much more brazen, after getting his contract extension. Here are a few words from a (former) well-respected Patriot: “I never talk about other guys,” Light said, “but I will say I have never embraced — never believed in — anything Aaron Hernandez stood for.”

Read more at: Matt Light Says He Never Believed in Anything Aaron Hernandez Stood For | New England Patriots | NESN.com
 
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There is no diminished capacity defense short of insanity which as you indicated there has been zero history of. The methodical planning and subsequent attempts to cover up the murder are prima facie evidence that AH knew it was wrong.

Its his attorney's job to throw every theory against the wall in his defense but that doesn't mean the rest of us should suspend reality and believe a word of it.
I agree, it is the job of his Attny to explore all options even if it means pleading out to a conspiracy to commit murder, provided that the state does not have a willing witnessor a weapon.
 
I get your point but comparing AH to Richard Jewell is like comparing Apples to Moonrocks. Jewell was targeted because of a theory that dissolved when there was no evidence to back it up. As outlined at his arraignment there is evidence against AH and there is likely much more that will come out in the subsequent indictment and trial.

You are 100% correct that while some may've thought AH was troubled NO ONE was predicting he'd murder someone prior to last week. I have been vocal against people lame blaming the media but no one has a crystal ball and truly knows everything that goes on in someone's personal life.

Lets be clear...up until yesterday the media was just as clueless as the rest of us regarding AH being this cold blooded killer that the DA painted yesterday. It true that they had some pieces of the puzzle but it is also clear that what they had painted an inaccruate picture. Everyone was shocked at what happened yesterday and anyone that is saying "see I was right" is full of it.
 
I agree, it is the job of his Attny to explore all options even if it means pleading out to a conspiracy to commit murder, provided that the state does not have a willing witnessor a weapon.

And the "best" part for the state is that they must have evidence to charge him with the weapons violations, and those have mandatory minimums (2 1/2-5 years, and no reductions allowed for 18 months).

So I can't see a scenario where Hernandez walks completely scot-free.
 
Lets be clear...up until yesterday the media was just as clueless as the rest of us regarding AH being this cold blooded killer that the DA painted yesterday. It true that they had some pieces of the puzzle but it is also clear that what they had painted an inaccruate picture. Everyone was shocked at what happened yesterday and anyone that is saying "see I was right" is full of it.

You aren't kidding. Last week I was furious at AH for seeming to constantly be at some nightclub or strip club or somewhere unsavory when he was supposed to be this changed man who was making good choices. You put yourself in those situations and you have much higher chance of getting caught up in something like this. However I NEVER would have predicted this. Never.
 
I get your point but comparing AH to Richard Jewell is like comparing Apples to Moonrocks.

There was an FBI leak to the media calling Jewell their main suspect.

This is no different than any of the other 'reports' and 'leaks' we were hearing.

The only difference is that Jewell was innocent. We don't know that about Hernandez (and it looks less and less likely every day.)
 
Also as much as I am sickened by this I really can not get over the stupidity of it at all. I'm not defending murderers but if you are going to murder someone why in the hell would you do it a mile from your house in the same neighborhood? Drive to another state. Mass ain't that big. As bad as this sounds the fact that it was so careless and sloppy is almost offensive. Like Lloyd was nothing but garbage. Left to die on a dirt and gravel road a mile from his murderers house who goes back home that night and plays with his baby and sleeps in his bed like he just didn't KILL someone.

And then another murder, a drive-by. Honestly this is really going to make me look at these guys who play a game far more differently. They say and do the right things and you feel you have some idea of who they are but you never really know. The league is getting sloppy with these guys and I almost dont even want to watch anymore. Every year it seems to get worse and more and more of these degenerates keep coming into the league. Cheering for a bunch of convicts. I dont know how I can go on enjoying it.
 
And the "best" part for the state is that they must have evidence to charge him with the weapons violations, and those have mandatory minimums (2 1/2-5 years, and no reductions allowed for 18 months).

So I can't see a scenario where Hernandez walks completely scot-free.
Agreed. The police undoubtedly saw the weapons upon their first visit and checked to see if he had an FID card.
I guess with all the evidence found; the shell casings at the scene! in the car! the video, the audio,the guns in plain sight I ask myself "what
the hell was Aaron Hernandez's Wonderlic score"?? Jeez
 
You aren't kidding. Last week I was furious at AH for seeming to constantly be at some nightclub or strip club or somewhere unsavory when he was supposed to be this changed man who was making good choices. You put yourself in those situations and you have much higher chance of getting caught up in something like this. However I NEVER would have predicted this. Never.

How could you? How could anyone? He fooled us all. I would imagine Kraft, BB and the others were as close to him as anyone outside of his inner circle could be and he fooled them out of $40m. At this point its stupid to blame each other, the media or the front office for what ultimately blindsided all of us.
 
Just cause he's of Latino ancestry, doesn't mean he's a Latin King. He's a blood.

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He might be a "Blood" but that tattoo isn't an indicator that he's a member. Most Bloods will have a 5 or B or P or Piru tattoo. I'm guessing but from that image, it looks like it might say blood, sweat, tears or something like that.
 
Also as much as I am sickened by this I really can not get over the stupidity of it at all. I'm not defending murderers but if you are going to murder someone why in the hell would you do it a mile from your house in the same neighborhood? Drive to another state. Mass ain't that big. As bad as this sounds the fact that it was so careless and sloppy is almost offensive. Like Lloyd was nothing but garbage. Left to die on a dirt and gravel road a mile from his murderers house who goes back home that night and plays with his baby and sleeps in his bed like he just didn't KILL someone.

And then another murder, a drive-by. Honestly this is really going to make me look at these guys who play a game far more differently. They say and do the right things and you feel you have some idea of who they are but you never really know. The league is getting sloppy with these guys and I almost dont even want to watch anymore. Every year it seems to get worse and more and more of these degenerates keep coming into the league. Cheering for a bunch of convicts. I dont know how I can go on enjoying it.

Nice post...I have learned over the years not to "erect a monument" to imperfect humans just like myself. They take a $h!T and piss just like any of us. The only difference is they are in a higher tax bracket.
 
Lets be clear...up until yesterday the media was just as clueless as the rest of us regarding AH being this cold blooded killer that the DA painted yesterday. It true that they had some pieces of the puzzle but it is also clear that what they had painted an inaccruate picture. Everyone was shocked at what happened yesterday and anyone that is saying "see I was right" is full of it.

The media got a lot right...the timing of some reports was off but incomplete coverage does not equate to being baseless as to AH's involvement in the murder. I didn't see any reporters proclaim that AH did it prior to yesterday.

Granted their nauseating helicopter feeds and stalking of AH at the gas station was TMZ like and silly but again they got a lot right.

I agree that everyone was shocked but more than a few people did imply he may be the killer just based on those much maligned media reports. That didn't make the subsequent arrest any less shocking. The moment the media reported AH
destroyed the tapes I thought "wow he probably did it". Not a prediction but it my mind it was a reasonable inference.

I may be in the minority but in my view many of the media critics on this forum were killing the messenger for the message.
 
I get your point but comparing AH to Richard Jewell is like comparing Apples to Moonrocks. Jewell was targeted because of a theory that dissolved when there was no evidence to back it up. As outlined at his arraignment there is evidence against AH and there is likely much more that will come out in the subsequent indictment and trial.

Maybe. Maybe not. Murder cases tend to get weaker over time, not better. Often as a prosecutor, your story never gets better than when you feel you have enough to charge. Sometimes, more evidence comes out after an arrest and the case gets stronger, but not always. And when you're making a proffer to argue bail where all you have to do is stand at a podium and say stuff the other side has never heard before, you get to rely on pretty much anything -- including hearsay or other stuff that's not reliable enough to be admissible in court at an actual trial. The defense has not yet had its turn. You've heard one side of a story that may have two sides. If what the prosecutor referred to yesterday is provable, and they really can put him at the scene with physical evidence, his options on a defense are indeed narrow. But the difference between getting bail rejected and proving a murder is significant.

There are lots of nuances, but essentially there are two basic types of defenses to a crime like this. The first is, I wasn't there, it wasn't me, I didn't do it. The second is, I was there and did some of the stuff you claim, but I'm not legally responsible or at most I'm only responsible for a lesser charge.

As I read the tenor of this board, the assumption after yesterday is that Hernandez, at best, can only avail himself of the second category. And most of you are prepared to say, if that's true, I don't really care what the story is, screw him. I get that. I pretty much agree with it. But I've seen and heard of plenty of cases that sounded really strong and devastating but then disintegrated or at least substantially changed.

Part of the problem is that the defense was flat-footed yesterday, as it almost always is on day 1. Their guy got arrested and then they had about 5 minutes with him in the lock up to try to figure out what to do. You'll see that the defense has appealed the bail determination and has a second hearing today. I doubt they seriously think they will get it overturned. But what this seems to signal is that now they have had 24 hours to look at the arrest warrant affidavit and digest what happened yesterday, and they feel like they have something to say. Today will be about them starting to put the other side out there in the public. Even if they don't get bail, today is the day you'll start to hear the alternative narrative.

There's a lot of stuff coming out now -- like connecting him to every unsolved homicide in a 100 mile radius and having former players like Matt Light say things that don't even make sense. And in a twitter/facebook world everyone wants information right now. But this thing is just going to have to play out.

I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm not even saying I believe there's a realistic chance the story will change significantly. I'm just saying that to date the story is presented in a way where all inferences go away from the guy, and none us can know right now what we don't know.
 
You aren't kidding. Last week I was furious at AH for seeming to constantly be at some nightclub or strip club or somewhere unsavory when he was supposed to be this changed man who was making good choices. You put yourself in those situations and you have much higher chance of getting caught up in something like this. However I NEVER would have predicted this. Never.

There was a group of people claiming that nothing that had been stated in the media would hold up in court and there was even some clown claiming you couldn't get convicted by circumstantial evidence if that's all there was. When some of us countered that by saying that he was in some serious **** *if* what was said was true. Now, the internet lawyers tactics are to put words in your mouth that you won't find in quotes.

It's just diversion. Pretend something else was said and throw strawmen out there so that the argument shifts from what was said, to defending the strawmen.

*Everyone said wait and see and everyone else said he's guilty*... that's the tactic.

The fact is that there is even a group of people who thought he would be convicted and should stay with the team if convicted.
 
How could you? How could anyone? He fooled us all. I would imagine Kraft, BB and the others were as close to him as anyone outside of his inner circle could be and he fooled them out of $40m. At this point its stupid to blame each other, the media or the front office for what ultimately blindsided all of us.

Thankfully, they've only paid out about a quarter of that.

In any case:

(1) Since the Pats are going hard after Fanene's money, I have to think they're going to try and go after Hernandez hard. They may not get much back, but they will try.

(2) Interesting fact: although Hernandez "bought" his home, it's not actually in his name. (Look up the story about Hernandez's realtor.)

(3) Every time a Patriots player has to sign a contract with a morals clause, they can "thank" Hernandez.
 
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