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A jumbotron controlled by the employee of one team during a game when there is chaos on the field and players mauling each other everywhere.

I'll go further than this and say that the reason why the Tuck Rule exists at all is because the rules committee is hellbent on preventing arbitrary calls from referees. The Tuck Rule is there to take all judgment away from some QB fumbles. It's why the rule persists to this day.

Given that, there is absolutely no chance the league would allow the refs to arbitrarily decide what rises to the standards of Jumbotron replay penalties when the Jumbotron replay system itself is a totally arbitrary review of the game.

Exactly this takes away the need to look at the jumbotron.

You think refs spend the entire game staring at the jumbotron?

Here is what happened. Ref didn't get a good look at the play. Knew it would be repeated on the jumbotron. So he looked at the jumbotron and made his call. This is bad, for the reasons you cited the home team controls what he sees.

What I am suggestion is: Ref doesn't get a good look at play. Doesn't look at jumbotron, instead goes under hood where a neutral party provides the video for him.
 
Haven't read all the posts but gotta imagine a certain man in his late 50's who cuts off the sleeves on his sweatshirts wants whomever replayed the hit flipping burgers before the next home game.
 
OT, but did it make anyone else mildly ill to see NBC, in a nationally televised game, cutting repeatedly to Kraft's box, showing the Commish sitting in between Jonathan and Robert, especially after all this Thighgate/Spygate-redux sh!t surfaced this week?

I haven't read the "meeting w/ the commish" thread, but I don't think the Krafts should have allowed that image to be happen on national TV, unless they're okay with the rest of the country thinking that Goodell is somehow beholden to them or vice versa.
 
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It was a textbook good hit.

I remember a few weeks ago someone flicked Manning's helmet with the force you'd use to shoo a fly away. with his hand. Penalty.

But others hit the qb helmet to helmet and there's no penalty. Was brady's hair touched on any of the sacks? Then it's a penalty.
 
OT, but did it make anyone else mildly ill to see NBC, in a nationally televised game, cutting repeatedly to Kraft's box, showing the Commish sitting in between Jonathan and Robert, especially after all this Thighgate/Spygate-redux sh!t surfaced this week?

I haven't read the "meeting w/ the commish" thread, but I don't think the Krafts should have allowed that image to be happen on national TV, unless they're okay with the rest of the country thinking that Goodell is somehow beholden to them or vice versa.


Do you watch any non-Patriots football games. Whenever Goodell goes to the games they show the commish sitting with the owner, its normal.
 
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Again, a REVIEW is a VERY SPECIFIC THING IN THE RULE BOOK. A Review did not happen on that play. A referees conference did.

AGAIN, THIS WAS NOT A REVIEW.

Exactly: reviews are the specific exception to the longstanding rule that replays are not to be used to determine the outcome of calls. To go by any other standard hands an enormous advantage to the home team.
 
I'm sorry but Synovia keeps referencing the fact that the replay hood is specifically mentioned in the rules. The reason it is specifically mentioned is that no other forms of replay are allowed. If other forms of replay were allowed there would be no need to specifically mention the replay hood would there?
 
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The commish was in attendance. Of course they threw the flag.
 
I'm sorry but Synovia keeps referencing the fact that the replay hood is specifically mentioned in the rules. The reason it is specifically mentioned is that no other forms of replay are allowed. If other forms of replay were allowed there would be no need to specifically mention the replay hood would there?

Psh, you and your logic. It has no place here I tell you!


In other news, welcome to the boards. Interesting first post; just jumping right in. I like it! :D
 
I'm sorry but Synovia keeps referencing the fact that the replay hood is specifically mentioned in the rules. The reason it is specifically mentioned is that no other forms of replay are allowed. If other forms of replay were allowed there would be no need to specifically mention the replay hood would there?

Bingo!
I do not want officials looking up at the jumbotron..............ever. If someone can't see the implications in that, then we can't help them.
 
If someone can't see the implications in that, then we can't help them.

Not for lack of trying.

But you're right, some people clearly can't be helped, as evidence by this thread.

BUT THE RULE BOOK DOESNT SPECIFICALLY SAY :rofl:
 
"First down, pending stadium review."

*pause*

"Wait a minute...holding, offense, #72. And #68. But illegal contact on the defense, #25. And a neutral zone infraction, #93. Runner's knee was down at the 31, ball will be respotted."

*pause*

"Green Bay is challenging all of the stuff that went against them. Hold up, so is New England. Both are challenging the spot. Official timeout."

I nominate this as post of the year :) This should have ended the whole thread. LOL
 
If you're not sure it was a personal foul or not, it wasn't. This ain't hard.

Actually, it is. It should not be, but any helmet to helmet contact is a penalty now.*

* I'm not talking about a face mask. I know you and everyone here knows the difference, but many announcers don't.
 
I think Synovia has given up on the thread. Either he recognizes what we're saying and has given up, or he thinks we're all idiots. Either way, more is piling on. But, I can't help myself. :) :bricks:

Here's another question. Suppose it's right that the jumbotron can be used to review plays because, as has been asserted in this thread, "there's nothing in the rules prohibiting it."

Can the jumbo tron be used to make a call even after another play has occurred? Why not? Let's say that there's a throw to the end zone. The receiver gets both feet in bounds but is called out of bounds. The coach cannot challenge because he's out of challenges. On the next play, the offense throws an interception returned for a touchdown.

After the interception, they replay the blown call on the jumbotron. The crew sees it and sees that the player did have both feet in bounds. Can they take the interception return off the board and award the touchdown based on the jumbo tron.

Of course not. But why not? Under the theory being expressed here, the reason the jumbotron can be used is because there's nothing in the rule book that prohbits it. We're also told that the rules that apply to video replay -- which plays can be reviewed and which can't (e.g., possession can be but penalties can't) -- do not apply on a jumbotron review, because those rules only apply for an "under the hood review." But the rule that says there cannot be a challenge or overturn after the next play is run also is in the "under the hood" review rules. Since we're dealing in an imaginary world where anything not specifically prohibited is allowed, what is the principle that keeps the officials from using their jumbotron review to review plays that happened several plays ago?
 
I was thinking that when it happened, and I'm pretty sure that isnt supposed to happen.

yeah i thought that too... pretty annoying at the time and with the game so close
 
I think a silver lining in that BS was how it seemed to amp up the crowd. I dont know about you, but the background chant as Hochuli was rambling was clearly "BULL-SH!T, BULL-SH!T". Loved it.

Anyone else notice that one of the other Ref's came up to Hochuli and told him to hurry it up, Classic power trip
 
That's really lame, the only penalty that should be reviewable is pass interference.
 
The rules don't say anything about it, so I don't see a problem with them doing it.


What I don't like is them holding up play waiting for something to be shown, and the home team actually showing it.

There is "something wrong with it" though...and here's why;

1. NFL referee's have NEVER called a penalty based upon watching a replay.

2. If they decide it is within the rules to call a penalty based upon a replay, then ALL penalties MUST be reviewable.

They can't have it one way and the NFL doesn't have a choice on that.

If they set a precedent whereby NFL refs can call a penalty based upon jumbotron reviews, then they must also make all penalties reviewable.
 
Proper procedure in Foxboro should be NOT TO SHOW STUFF LIKE THAT ON THE DAMNED JUMBOTRON!

How about not having a "salute the troops" segment that runs over? I think that the team got caught off-guard a little because it ran a little over. It ended rather abruptly when the Packers suddenly lined up. I know those of us watching were surprised to see them getting ready for the snap.

So, that's -2 for the stadium crew.
 
The Earth-shattering issue is whether or not NFL refs should be throwing flags based on the F'n REPLAY rather than in real time.

I say no. Either you call it in real time or you don't. Replay is only for coaching challenges and dishing out of possible fines... It is not, and never should be, used as a basis of whether or not to throw a flag.

the league needs to take a look at this ASAP.
 
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